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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART X

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Given the price for Defencemen, The leafs could probably get a Goalie and a D if they can clear out enough cap space (Mrazek and Dermott)
 
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I'd say that Colorado neither overpaid nor underpaid in acquiring Manson from Anaheim. What's yet to be determined is how the Avs will fare in the playoffs and whether or not they are able to eventually re-up Manson. Colorado did well to not subtract from their present and we'll have to see how well Anaheim has done to add to their future.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Hasn't been that great this year, or any year where he hasn't played with Weber.

And if the refs start calling those penalties that he seems to get away with on the Habs, he is suddenly a major liability.

There is also the matter of who comes out to fit him in. We already invested in Lyubushkin. He is not better than Holl, Rielly, or Brodie, especially at RD. I think the Leafs would put Muzzin in before Chiarot. So is it Sandin, who provides a lot more offense and fills a completely different role than Chiarot?

I am not paying the price for a rental Chiarot just for him to take Sandin out of our lineup. Makes no sense.
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Yes he was playing with petry who did everything he can to get ducharme out. He had to repair like 30 mistake/game petry did every game. He was by far the best habs d all season long and its not even close.
 
Buds17 said:
I'd say that Colorado neither overpaid nor underpaid in acquiring Manson from Anaheim. What's yet to be determined is how the Avs will fare in the playoffs and whether or not they are able to eventually re-up Manson. Colorado did well to not subtract from their present and we'll have to see how well Anaheim has done to add to their future.
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I think the only thing that's surprising to me is that this was supposed to be a buyer's market. IMO that's not buyers-market pricing; its TDL pricing. I think Anaheim did extremely well here - Helleson is solid.
 
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Buds17 said:
I'd say that Colorado neither overpaid nor underpaid in acquiring Manson from Anaheim. What's yet to be determined is how the Avs will fare in the playoffs and whether or not they are able to eventually re-up Manson. Colorado did well to not subtract from their present and we'll have to see how well Anaheim has done to add to their future.
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Sakic technically added a top4 D-man for 2nd+B/C prospect instead of throwing away the 1st round pick.

How in the hell did we end up losing 1st+4th for freakin Foligno I'd never know....
 
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jaric1862 said:
Given the price for Defencemen, The leafs could probably get a Goalie and a D if they can clear out enough cap space (Mrazek and Dermott)
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No matter what happens, the Leafs will need to dump Mrazek if they want to acquire a new one.

I think that if the Leafs are desperate enough, the Hawks would take back Mrazek if they offered a 1st, or a good package, for Fleury.
 
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SprDaVE said:
No matter what happens, the Leafs will need to dump Mrazek if they want to acquire a new one.

I think that if the Leafs are desperate enough, the Hawks would take back Mrazek if they offered a 1st, or a good package, for Fleury.
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I think it is more likely we see something similar to the Manson trade, but a worse prospect than Helleson because Fleury is not as valuable. Effectively what I proposed yesterday:

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G Marc-Andre Fleury (50% retention)

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G Petr Mrazek
C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
2nd round pick 2022 (TOR)

The prospect could be different, but that is the max price I see the Leafs paying for Fleury. Similarly for Varlamov, but I could see the Leafs giving up Dermott instead of SDA.
 
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PromisedLand said:
Sakic technically added a top4 D-man for 2nd+B/C prospect instead of throwing away the 1st round pick.

How in the hell did we end up losing 1st+4th for freakin Foligno I'd never know....
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The double retention on Foligno was certainly part of it. Maybe him being CBJ's captain at the time played a small part too? That is unfortunately an easy move to look back on with regret due to both the high price involved and the unexpected lack of team success that followed.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
I think it is more likely we see something similar to the Manson trade, but a worse prospect than Helleson because Fleury is not as valuable. Effectively what I proposed yesterday:

:leafs
G Marc-Andre Fleury (50% retention)

:hawks
G Petr Mrazek
C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
2nd round pick 2022 (TOR)

The prospect could be different, but that is the max price I see the Leafs paying for Fleury. Similarly for Varlamov, but I could see the Leafs giving up Dermott instead of SDA.
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I would do this in a heart beat
 
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Buds17 said:
The double retention on Foligno was certainly part of it. Maybe him being CBJ's captain at the time played a small part too? That is unfortunately an easy move to look back on with regret due to both the high price involved and the unexpected lack of team success that followed.
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Ducks retained 50% too though
 
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dubplatepressure said:
I think the only thing that's surprising to me is that this was supposed to be a buyer's market. IMO that's not buyers-market pricing; its TDL pricing. I think Anaheim did extremely well here - Helleson is solid.
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I can agree that this doesn't quite seem as indicative of a buyers market deal as one would expect. Will be interesting to see how the deals that are still to come over the course of the next seven days shake out in that regard.
 
Pretty fair value for Manson. Helleson is a pretty good prospect but not a great prospect. Far different from the value those morons at the Athletic were bantering about.

It's incredible how their word is gospel for a few days and then they are always wrong.
 
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I’m pretty surprised that Col. would trade for a defenseman after losing such an important forward to injury (Landeskog). Thought they were after Giroux, no?
 
Unless Varlamov comes in with Mràzek+ going back or elsewhere, I doubt anything happens in net.

Moving a pick for Forsberg/Stolarz types is going to be a complete non-factor move because they simply won't excile Mrazek for either of them. Those guys would maybe start 2-3 regular games and then ride the press box in the Playoffs.

If they were to target a G in that tier and still move Mrazek, then maybe that works, but that seems unlikely as well.

It would like basically end up being Rittich 2.0 but even dumber because instead of preparing for an injury risk, you're just admitting to everyone you have no faith in Mràzek
 
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I’m pretty surprised that Col. would trade for a defenseman after losing such an important forward to injury (Landeskog). Thought they were after Giroux, no?
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Still have the pieces to get him. IDK how much Philly would get for him, but if they are paying the rumored price, it is sounding like Jost, Kaut, and a high pick. Colorado's pool gets fairly thin if they do that, but they'd have a pretty damn good team.
 
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