GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART V

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I'd rather go for a better #3C with some size and move Kampf down to #4C. Giroux could be it if he had more size.

Maybe Seattle can trade us Yanni Gourde, why reinvent the wheel lol

 

[pspot]

I'd rather go for a better #3C with some size and move Kampf down to #4C. Giroux could be it if he had more size.

Jenner
Michael McLeod
Bonino

Try and get all your shopping done with NJ, McLeod and Severson....

 

[Shooter2x]

Nylander and Kerfoot have always had great chemistry together. I’d let it play out a bit more.

Kerfoot averages 11 goals a season since coming here. He is a very good player this season, and that pace remains the same. It's not going to improve any time soon.

Kampf...look, if people think Kampf is suddenly going to put up points with a skill guy like Nylander, I don't know what to say. Kampf meshes well with players like Mik, Kase, Engvall. Nylander is top of the line talent, potential 90 point forward 2 steps ahead of the play kind of guy. Kampf does not have the ability to know what Nylander is doing. He will skate around lost or just mess up. Nylander will be 2 steps ahead of the play and Kampf will wash it back down to zero.

If it's 1 against 100000 on this, I'll drop the gloves and be that one guy . Nylander is maximized when he has a partner in crime. It's an insult to think Kerfoot is his partner in crime.

Scan the market to see if any mid tier 20 goal forwards are available and the team is set to run 3 lines deep. Or maybe Ho Sang is that guy and we spend nothing. The team is relatively worse right now even though remaining absolutely good. That road trip is making people forget just how good the Leafs were with their old (mostly) fully healthy lines. Marner is in 100 point form too so the old team will be even better. That team will beat this new team even more so because it has the same PP as the new line team.

 

[TMLAM34]

Jenner
Michael McLeod
Bonino

Try and get all your shopping done with NJ, McLeod and Severson....

Michael McLeod could be an interesting option. He’s got good size and skating ability. He’s becoming more of a defensive center in the NHL but has always had the skill to produce offensively. He costs less than a million so he’d easily fit under the cap and has another year on his contract. He’s also really strong in the circle.

 

[Fogelhund]

Michael McLeod could be an interesting option. He’s got good size and skating ability. He’s becoming more of a defensive center in the NHL but has always had the skill to produce offensively. He costs less than a million so he’d easily fit under the cap and has another year on his contract. He’s also really strong in the circle.

Given all of that, why does NJ move him?

 

[LeafChief]

Michael McLeod could be an interesting option. He’s got good size and skating ability. He’s becoming more of a defensive center in the NHL but has always had the skill to produce offensively. He costs less than a million so he’d easily fit under the cap and has another year on his contract. He’s also really strong in the circle.

Seems like he could be a good fit and bump Kampf down to line 4.

Given all of that, why does NJ move him?

Exactly my thoughts. Are they looking to move him? What would the cost be?

 

[TMLAM34]

Given all of that, why does NJ move him?

I agree, it’s not likely.

Sandin + Ritchie + Abramov for Severson (50% retained) + McLeod

It would be tough giving up on Sandin, but I would probably pull the trigger on that deal.

 

[TML1967]

Given all of that, why does NJ move him?

They may be more interested in someone / picks that have a higher ceiling than a 3C/W who still needs to find his offensive next step. They have Hughes, Hishier and Mercer who has shown they are the better 1-3Cs, and have a decent shot at drafting one of Geekie/Lambert/Savoie/Cooley/Wright.

Right now he is a 4th liner, who is not doing too well defensively even on the 4th line. Fancy stats... yeesh. Bad Corsi, Bad Fenwick, Bad PDO.

Like 11 points in 41 games is not great. Saying that, he is just about to turn 24. Former 12th overall pick who skates really well. 55% in the faceoff dot, and more takeaway than giveaways.

I think he is worth the gamble, just need to realize if we think he is going to be a for sure 3C is just not where he is at yet.

 

[ToneDog]

I agree, it’s not likely.

Sandin + Ritchie + Abramov for Severson (50% retained) + McLeod

It would be tough giving up on Sandin, but I would probably pull the trigger on that deal.

You need a sweetener just to dump Ritchie and you are asking NJ to retain. Not enough IMO.

 

[Fogelhund]

They may be more interested in someone / picks that have a higher ceiling than a 3C/W who still needs to find his offensive next step. They have Hughes, Hishier and Mercer who has shown they are the better 1-3Cs, and have a decent shot at drafting one of Geekie/Lambert/Savoie/Cooley/Wright.

Right now he is a 4th liner, who is not doing too well defensively even on the 4th line. Fancy stats... yeesh. Bad Corsi, Bad Fenwick, Bad PDO.

Like 11 points in 41 games is not great. Saying that, he is just about to turn 24. Former 12th overall pick who skates really well. 55% in the faceoff dot, and more takeaway than giveaways.

I think he is worth the gamble, just need to realize if we think he is going to be a for sure 3C is just not where he is at yet.

If such a move were to be considered, it would have to be an off season move. To gamble on a guy at this point in the season, seems a bit unwise. So who exactly are you giving up, with the more promise?

Personally, if I'm looking to add a C, I'm evaluating Jack McBain, to see if he's going to go UFA, or sign with Minnesota. Bit of a long shot, but he is a Toronto boy, on the Olympic team as well.

 

[Fogelhund]

I agree, it’s not likely.

Sandin + Ritchie + Abramov for Severson (50% retained) + McLeod

It would be tough giving up on Sandin, but I would probably pull the trigger on that deal.

I don't know about Severson either. Is he really the type of guy we need? Or do we need someone who plays the physical defensive game better? I appreciate Severson 'can' be physical, and has cleaned up his game from the past... but I just don't get what the fascination is. I think we need to bring on someone who makes us harder to play against... I'm not sure he really moves the needle much there for us.

 

[Brobust]

Kerfoot averages 11 goals a season since coming here. He is a very good player this season, and that pace remains the same. It's not going to improve any time soon.

Kampf...look, if people think Kampf is suddenly going to put up points with a skill guy like Nylander, I don't know what to say. Kampf meshes well with players like Mik, Kase, Engvall. Nylander is top of the line talent, potential 90 point forward 2 steps ahead of the play kind of guy. Kampf does not have the ability to know what Nylander is doing. He will skate around lost or just mess up. Nylander will be 2 steps ahead of the play and Kampf will wash it back down to zero.

If it's 1 against 100000 on this, I'll drop the gloves and be that one guy . Nylander is maximized when he has a partner in crime. It's an insult to think Kerfoot is his partner in crime.

Scan the market to see if any mid tier 20 goal forwards are available and the team is set to run 3 lines deep. Or maybe Ho Sang is that guy and we spend nothing. The team is relatively worse right now even though remaining absolutely good. That road trip is making people forget just how good the Leafs were with their old (mostly) fully healthy lines. Marner is in 100 point form too so the old team will be even better. That team will beat this new team even more so because it has the same PP as the new line team.

Toffoli, Kempe, Johnsson and McCann were the ones I was thinking of when I made the post hoping for Nylander to get a scoring LW on the 3rd line. Maybe Eeli Tolvanen.

Or if they want to target someone more expensive, then JT Miller.

 

[TheShape]

I like Kempe, low cap hit and can play C as well.

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Jakob Chychrun
To Arizona: Rasmus Sandin, Rodion Amirov, 2023 1st Round Draft Pick

To Toronto: Michael McLeod, 2022 4th Round Draft Pick
To New Jersey: Travis Dermott, Pierre Engvall

To Toronto: Future Considerstions
To Buffalo: Nick Ritichie, NJ 4th Round Draft Pick



Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Kampf - Kase
Anderson - McLeod - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Chychrun - Liljegren
Muzzin - Holl

Campbell - Mrazek

 

[Nylanderthal]

I like Toronto's new lines. I just don't think Kerfoot is enough of a shooting threat to make the 3rd line work with Nylander. It's just not going to work out that well if Nylander is the only scoring threat on that line.

I think the leafs have to consider trading him for a better scoring LW or move him to Tavares' line and trade Mikheyev.

What about swapping Spezza and Kampf for a few shifts? I know Jasons starting to show age and has really excelled with limited time on the 4th line exposing matchups, but maybe an opportunity to play between to faster skilled guys can leave him to find open spaces.
Engvall Kampf Simmonds works too and if needed Sheldon can double shift Kase or mikheyev over Wayne situationally as I think you’ll still see those guys get shifts skipped in favour of super lines coming off PK’s and last minutes etc.

 

[mydnyte]

I'd rather go for a better #3C with some size and move Kampf down to #4C. Giroux could be it if he had more size.

Kampf is 6'2" is great on the draw, and is an excellent shutdown center, and cheap ...he is an ideal #3C ...and how much more size than 6'2" do you need?

 

[ToneDog]

Kampf is 6'2" is great on the draw, and is an excellent shutdown center, and cheap ...he is an ideal #3C ...and how much more size than 6'2" do you need?

Kampf's size is not the issue. I like Kampf as our #4C more, so if we were to look for a better #3C to play with Kerfoot and Willie, I prefer one with size. I'd gladly take Giroux though if we can't do better. A 3rd line of Kerfoot, Giroux and Nylander could be lethal.

 

[mydnyte]

Kampf's size is not the issue. I like Kampf as our #4C more, so if we were to look for a better #3C, I prefer one with size. I'd gladly take Giroux though if we can't do better. A 3rd line of Kerfoot, Giroux and Nylander could be lethal.

and whats our shutdown line supposed to be Spezza - Kampf - Simmonds ...Giroux is a luxury we dont need

 

[Nylanderthal]

and whats our shutdown line supposed to be Spezza - Kampf - Simmonds ...Giroux is a luxury we dont need

Engvall kampf and Simmonds, you can double shift Mikheyev or Kase as well. They won’t get full ice time in the top 6 If Sheldon runs a stacked line after pk’s tv time outs and last minute.
Id try Spezza at 3c first and use kampf Engvall to tilt ice

 

[mydnyte]

Engvall kampf and Simmonds, you can double shift Mikheyev or Kase as well. They won’t get full ice time in the top 6 If Sheldon runs a stacked line after pk’s tv time outs and last minute.
Id try Spezza at 3c first and use kampf Engvall to tilt ice

goodness no, he can barely manage C on the 4th line, he cant handle the 3rd. ...thats why he takes faceoffs only, and then plays the wing

 

[TheShape]

In a perfect world we have Kampf on 4th line and add a top 4 d man. Cap and roster space is the issue though, moving Dermott wouldn’t be an issue. Ritchie on the other hand.

 

[TML1967]

If such a move were to be considered, it would have to be an off season move. To gamble on a guy at this point in the season, seems a bit unwise. So who exactly are you giving up, with the more promise?

Personally, if I'm looking to add a C, I'm evaluating Jack McBain, to see if he's going to go UFA, or sign with Minnesota. Bit of a long shot, but he is a Toronto boy, on the Olympic team as well.

Where he could be really helpful is if Leafs management think they need more speed on the 4th line to make it effective.
McLeod has his warts, but he can really skate(straight line, good edges, etc), has decent hands and has dropped the mitts a few times and held his own (Tanev, Kreider, Sanheim). He may be a 'lots of tools, no toolbox' guy, but I woud not give him that designation just yet.

They also may be looking to move 'cash' guys out, and two AHLers who are 'meh' are Robbie Russo (AHL 320k next year) and Joseph Gambardella (AHL 320k next year). Both are late 20's guys who are average AHLers at this point, but making a good chunk of change.

Maybe a McLeod+Russo+Gambardella for a mid pick+prospect?

I agree fully, if McBain can be had you go get him "yay free wallet". There are a few guys who may become UFAs I want to look at. McBain and Meyers are top 2, St. Ivany, McLaughlin (put Knies-Meyers-McLaughlin in the AHL, just get the whole line from Minesotta), Stapley, Guttman as forwards. Hrenak could be an interesting G, and Perbix is a 6'4 RHD who is a PPG D for St. Cloud.

 

[TML1967]

I don't know about Severson either. Is he really the type of guy we need? Or do we need someone who plays the physical defensive game better? I appreciate Severson 'can' be physical, and has cleaned up his game from the past... but I just don't get what the fascination is. I think we need to bring on someone who makes us harder to play against... I'm not sure he really moves the needle much there for us.

If you hated Gardiner for his brain farts, Severson does smaller version of them. Not as often, but once in a while he just has you saying "......but why?"

 

[SeaOfBlue]

goodness no, he can barely manage C on the 4th line, he cant handle the 3rd. ...thats why he takes faceoffs only, and then plays the wing

If he is on a line with Kerfoot, that is not an issue. Kerfoot can handle all of the center duties except taking draws, not much unlike Engvall has done on the 4th line (and has worked well).

 

[Nylanderthal]

goodness no, he can barely manage C on the 4th line, he cant handle the 3rd. ...thats why he takes faceoffs only, and then plays the wing

I’m not suggesting full time, I think the bottom 6 is pretty interchangeable. I was more thinking in situations like offensive zone face offs.
I would love a big bodied middle 6c to play between kerf & Willy but I think upgrading the D is more important so for now keep mixing up internal options.
I agree though that Spezza shouldn’t be in the 3c spot full time.