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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IX

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Scion said:
If there is a need for a forward, defenceman and goalie ahead of the deadline you should probably just stand pat and build for the next year.
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I'm almost never on team stand pat, but I'm starting to feel it this year. The reason to go for it is that our 1st line appears special and gamebreaking. Lots of holes in the lineup that will be exposed in the playoffs where we'll have less powerplays
 
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Punch Drunk Loov said:
I'm almost never on team stand pat, but I'm starting to feel it this year. The reason to go for it is that our 1st line appears special and gamebreaking. Lots of holes in the lineup that will be exposed in the playoffs where we'll have less powerplays
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There aren't that many holes on this team. There are some struggles in terms of recent production but it's a very deep scoring lineup. Recency bias really makes things feel worst than they are. We're already one of the teams that gets the least amount of powerplays, so it's hardly something we've relied on.

Goaltending is by far the biggest issue and worry. It's not something you can just magically make better though. Our best hope is that Campbell shakes off the awful last few weeks he's had.
 
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SprDaVE said:
There aren't that many holes on this team. There are some struggles in terms of recent production but it's a very deep scoring lineup. Recency bias really makes things feel worst than they are. We're already one of the teams that gets the least amount of powerplays, so it's hardly something we've relied on.

Goaltending is by far the biggest issue and worry. It's not something you can just magically make better though. Our best hope is that Campbell shakes off the awful last few weeks he's had.
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Lol. You and your level-headed, rational thinking.
 
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SprDaVE said:
There aren't that many holes on this team. There are some struggles in terms of recent production but it's a very deep scoring lineup. Recency bias really makes things feel worst than they are. We're already one of the teams that gets the least amount of powerplays, so it's hardly something we've relied on.

Goaltending is by far the biggest issue and worry. It's not something you can just magically make better though. Our best hope is that Campbell shakes off the awful last few weeks he's had.
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leafs have had league worst goaltending since Jan 1 though.. its not a few weeks.
 
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Carlo mentioned Robert Hagg (Sabres) this morning as a potentially good bang-for-your-buck D option. He's a steady, physical, low points type of guy. His cap hit is 1.6 million and he is signed next year as well. Any thoughts on him?
 
Lahey said:
leafs have had league worst goaltending since Jan 1 though.. its not a few weeks.
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Things tend to normalize after awhile, right? Both Mrazek and Campbell in that span are playing WAY under their expected capabilities. Mrazek has had far too many bad games, but that's a whole other topic because this is by far his worst stretch ever. We've had some good goaltending in that span, but a lot more bad than good.

I guess my point is that the lineup is at the very least more than capable of contending. We just need the push through the storm and hope it's not too late.

Standing pat is a fine strategy but I think the Leafs management should be very aggressive. It doesn't have to be for a top flight player, but there is always room to find a gem or upgrade your lineup. This management team is pretty smart so I have confidence they'll figure it out. I hope the players figure it out.
 
Are there any goalies out there that could potentially be had that are difference makers? Any chance Gibson could be obtained?
 
ACC1224 said:
Are there any goalies out there that could potentially be had that are difference makers? Any chance Gibson could be obtained?
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Fleury is the only true upgrade available. But even he's a big question mark.
 
SprDaVE said:
Things tend to normalize after awhile, right? Both Mrazek and Campbell in that span are playing WAY under their expected capabilities. Mrazek has had far too many bad games, but that's a whole other topic. It hasn't been all bad games of goaltending. Just more bad than good since January 1st. Leafs in that span have been pretty good despite the wildly inconsistent goaltending.

I guess my point is that the lineup is at the very least more than capable of contending. We just need the push through the storm and hope it's not too late.
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Both goalies have been terrible for months now. Mrazek hasn't been good at any point this season and Jack has been bad longer then his great play earlier this season. Jack has a chance to rebound but right now it doesn't seem likely. I hope I'm completely wrong but the leafs track record tells me I'm not.
 
Amadeus said:
Not with them that close to the playoffs.
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That's what I thought.
SprDaVE said:
Fleury is the only true upgrade available. But even he's a big question mark.
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He'd probably help but I think they need to do what they can to find a bonafide #1. I know that's not an easy get but IMO, they are going to spin their wheels and waste the Marner/Matthews years if they don't cement that position.
 
I'd ask ducks for permission to speak with Lindholm about extending, if hes interested id target him and Gibson in an all in trade. We need playoff success if we want to resign Matthews Marner and Nylander because without them were rebuilding again.
 
Hockey 4 Life said:
I'd ask ducks for permission to speak with Lindholm about extending, if hes interested id target him and Gibson in an all in trade. We need playoff success if we want to resign Matthews Marner and Nylander because without them were rebuilding again.
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Nylander would have to be included in that.
 
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Hockey 4 Life said:
Both goalies have been terrible for months now. Mrazek hasn't been good at any point this season and Jack has been bad longer then his great play earlier this season. Jack has a chance to rebound but right now it doesn't seem likely. I hope I'm completely wrong but the leafs track record tells me I'm not.
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Not really true about Campbell. His last couple starts were bad, the game against Detroit was by far his worst game ever with the Leafs so the pain is fresh, but his outing against the Blues where the Leafs were awful isn't something I'd hang on him. Before that, he had a .978 and a .920 against Pittsburgh (45 saves) and Seattle. The funny thing is that he's still at .917% this season despite some really bad games over the last couple months. He'll be ok but he might not be the dominant goaltender he was early in the season. He just needs to be good. ~.915 is good.

Mrazek has been awful, I agree. Nowhere near his career numbers. I refuse to believe he'll keep up a .890% save percentage. He's bound to go hot... but it might not be this season.
 
There's a lot of defenceman on the market and therefore no way that all of these guys can fetch a first round pick. Leafs need to wait it out until someone is left without a dance partner and try to get a discount.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Not really true about Campbell. His last couple starts were bad, the game against Detroit was by far his worst game ever with the Leafs so the pain is fresh, but his outing against the Blues where the Leafs were awful isn't something I'd hang on him. Before that, he had a .978 and a .920 against Pittsburgh (45 saves) and Seattle. The funny thing is that he's still at .917% this season despite some really bad starts. He'll be ok but he might not be the dominant goaltender he was early in the season. He just needs to be good.

Mrazek has been awful, I agree. Nowhere near his career numbers. I refuse to believe he'll keep up a .890% save percentage. He's bound to go hot... but it might not be this season.
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I guess it boils down to faith at this point. Faith in Jacks ability to play like a starter for our playoff run. I'm 50/50 on wether he can or not.
 
ACC1224 said:
Personally I'd move Nylander before any top prospects.
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Maybe Johnny will waive and they can market a big name , similar to how big name Euro soccer players come to MLS when they’ve declined and on their last legs .
 
We spend 10× as much on forwards as we do on goaltending. For that money we should expect forwards that can out-score what mediocre goaltending allows. Trading for another goalie doesn't just mean our goaltending isn't good enough, it means our forwards aren't either.
 
To
Toronto
Gibson
Lindholm ( extended 7.5x7)
Comtois

To
Anaheim
Nylander
Sandin
2022 1st
Holl
Mrazek

Its a lot for us to give but we get a high-end # 1 goalie for 5 years, we get a # 1 shutdown d for 7 years and I believe comtois is signed through next year and is still an rfa. We wouldn't be perfect after this trade but we would be a very well balanced team and could still trade muzzin for a decent forward upgrade in the offseason.
 
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