GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[geo25]

The reality its the leafs will win or die with this core

Matthews is the key player

They cant trade nylander' probably most consistant player right now

Tavares will never go anywhere else of toronto

If leafs trade marner, maybe they will loose matthews in 2 season and half...

So the reality is no body from the core 4 will move in the next 2,5 season

If the Leafs bomb again & don't go beyond round 1 at the very least, I'd bet against this core remaining...even mgmt.

 

[TMLAM34]

I agree. You’d have to explore a major shake up like moving Marner for multiple pieces.

 

[40BayStreet]

Yeah, if the leafs fail to win a playoff round this year, you have to look at a major shakeup with the core. Tavares is a non starter, would look terrible optically to move him. Nylander is the only one providing real value on their deal so you should want to keep him. Matthews is a franchise player, so you would want to keep him as long as he wants to stay. Marner is the only one that makes sense to move. That said if after next season we are still not having playoff success, you have to sit down and try and resign Matthews or move him. You can’t risk losing him for nothing.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[DraftSchmaft]

If the Leafs bomb again & don't go beyond round 1 at the very least, I'd bet against this core remaining...even mgmt.

Depends how they lose. SECOND wild card opponent is basically an ECF. No guarantee a first round loss brings around changes. Winning the division doesn't even seem that important any more. There is no safe place to finish in the East.

If they decide Muzzin-Holl is good enough and we lose in the first round....it's definitely game over for management. And good riddance if you ask me. I don't trust any management team who think Holl is a worthy no.4 for these East playoff opponents.

 

[Dragao6]

Depends how they lose. SECOND wild card opponent is basically an ECF. No guarantee a first round loss brings around changes. Winning the division doesn't even seem that important any more. There is no safe place to finish in the East.

If they decide Muzzin-Holl is good enough and we lose in the first round....it's definitely game over for management. And good riddance if you ask me. I don't trust any management team who think Holl is a worthy no.4 for these East playoff opponents.

It’s why I don’t get why dubas hasn’t gotten chychrun done yet, perfect substitute for Muzzin at a better contract. It’s a right now and future move
His job has to start being on The line with this team he’s put together
I’ve always said I can only take this team seriously when holl is a bottom pairing player, sign of quality top 4. Holl isn’t a bad player I just mean on a Stanley cup contender he’s a third pairing guy

 

[hockeynorth]

I think if we're acquiring anyone it should be Brandon Hagel. He is by far my top choice.

Go out, get Hagel + Connor Murphy package and call it a day.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I think if we're acquiring anyone it should be Brandon Hagel. He is by far my top choice.

Go out, get a Bagel + Connor Murphy package and call it a day.

What's the scouting report on bagel boy

 

[hockeynorth]

What's the scouting report on bagel boy

Young, hard working two way forward with some bite to his game who can chip in offensively. Playing hard minutes in Chicago, would be our Goodrow/Coleman type.

 

[Nylanderthal]

If the Leafs bomb again & don't go beyond round 1 at the very least, I'd bet against this core remaining...even mgmt.

I think front office stays unless they die on the hill of the core 4. I think they would get a chance to change the make up of the top end of the team first. Refusal to do so in exit meetings might change that

 

[Judas Tavares]

I think front office stays unless they die on the hill of the core 4. I think they would get a chance to change the make up of the top end of the team first. Refusal to do so in exit meetings might change that

I remember Mirtle and Siegel discussing on their podcast that they could foresee if the Leafs bomb in round 1, then the mandate would be you can stay on but you need to trade one of the core 4. Then they discussed, if that was the case, might as well just bring in new management to do that job since they would be less tied to the belief in those players and just the players in general.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

It’s why I don’t get why dubas hasn’t gotten chychrun done yet, perfect substitute for Muzzin at a better contract. It’s a right now and future move
His job has to start being on The line with this team he’s put together
I’ve always said I can only take this team seriously when holl is a bottom pairing player, sign of quality top 4. Holl isn’t a bad player I just mean on a Stanley cup contender he’s a third pairing guy

Muzzin having a full NTC likely has a big part to do with it. He is not going to leave his hometown team which also happens to be a Cup Contender where he plays top 4 minutes. What entices him to waive this year, or even next year?

I also get the sense that Dubas still likes Muzzin, considering he is still performing well defensively... And he has never had more defensive zone starts in his Leafs career. It could also explain why it has been a little bit tougher offensively for both him and Holl. We are now seeing Sandin/Liljegren/Dermott get more defensive minutes as the year progresses and I think we've seen better performances out of Muzzin/Holl as a result too.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I remember Mirtle and Siegel discussing on their podcast that they could foresee if the Leafs bomb in round 1, then the mandate would be you can stay on but you need to trade one of the core 4. Then they discussed, if that was the case, might as well just bring in new management to do that job since they would be less tied to the belief in those players and just the players in general.

I see it less as a mandate from above, and more about their observations of managements intent. If during the brass’ exit meetings ownership/board doesn’t feel that there will be sufficient change to the roster imbalance and that they’re committed to the big 4 then gas the whole managment team.
If they have a plan and a vision that includes being adaptable to the original plan I think they’ve proven smart enough to be the ones who get a chance to fix it.

 

[budzz]

What's the scouting report on bagel boy

Decent player but he's good a hole in his game?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Young, hard working two way forward with some bite to his game who can chip in offensively. Playing hard minutes in Chicago, would be our Goodrow/Coleman type.

He is closer to a Bunting who can PK. More pest than physical, so not really much like Coleman and Goodrow IMO. He has done well on the PK this year and was decent last year, but we have a good group of PKers and I am not sure he is drastically better than any of them.

I also don't see the incentive for Chicago to move him TBH, short of there being an overpayment.

His perfect spot in our lineup would be where Kerfoot is right now, and I think Kerfoot is a good player for that spot. Short of the Leafs needing that cap space desperately (it would save us 2 mill), it seems unlikely that would happen (especially right now).

 

[SeaOfBlue]

TBH, priority number 1 for me right now is finding another guy who can handle center duties when Engvall is not available. Spezza is a major liability without having a guy who can handle everything except take draws.

Does not need to come through any kind of major trade, but another guy like Adam Brooks was last year would be great. Seney is not bad, but he is not an NHL caliber center for a team like ours. Abramov and SDA are not ready for that kind of responsibility. I am not sure Steeves is really a center either. We just need someone we can stash on the taxi squad for us.

A dark horse, however, may be Pontus Holmberg or Denis Malgin. Even they would work well as guys who can handle center duties except draws, even though Holmberg has zero NA experience and Malgin is far from a guy I would expect to make sense on a 4th line. We honestly just need a guy who can play with some pace and can competently handle center at the NHL level, and those two may fit the bill without even looking outside of the organization.

My fingers are still crossed that one or both of Amadio or Brooks ends up back with us at some point though.

 

[Knies iT]

It’s why I don’t get why dubas hasn’t gotten chychrun done yet, perfect substitute for Muzzin at a better contract. It’s a right now and future move
His job has to start being on The line with this team he’s put together
I’ve always said I can only take this team seriously when holl is a bottom pairing player, sign of quality top 4. Holl isn’t a bad player I just mean on a Stanley cup contender he’s a third pairing guy

Chychrun would be the only rumoured, in-season trade that I would sacrifice a 1st/Amirov/etc. for. Otherwise, the Leafs shouldn't be expending those high-quality futures for lower priority needs (e.g. JT Miller).

But even still, as much as Chychrun would be a game-changer, I would be way more interested in pursuing Hampus Lindholm as a UFA. Muzzin has to go for either to fit, but he is more likely to waive his NTC in the summer to a competitive team than he would be to AZ in a Chychrun deal for instance.

Lindholm could be had for around 7x7 and it costs you no assets, plus double the term compared to Chychrun who needs a new mega deal at the same time as the Big 3.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

I think front office stays unless they die on the hill of the core 4. I think they would get a chance to change the make up of the top end of the team first. Refusal to do so in exit meetings might change that

It comes down to Shanny moreso. If Shanny and Dubas are on the same page regarding keeping the core 4 then Dubas isn't going anywhere and there will be no mandate.

MLSE's board will ask questions but they aren't going to demand they trade Marner or Nylander.

 

[TML1967]

CHI/TOR

Khaira
Borgstrom

for

Nick Ritchie

EDM/TOR

Koskinen (700k retained)
Lagesson

for

Mrazek
Dermott

OR

BUF/TOR

Tokarski

for

Mrazek

This is the trade that makes the most sense for both sides right now.
Leafs gets a still young developing C, who has shown an improvement defensively but is still struggling offensively. I would love to put him with Spezza and let him develop and learn from him while he is still playing. Khaira is a fine AHL guy you call up if there is an injury, that you arent too angry is he gets claimed.

 

[Griffin76]

Chychrun would be the only rumoured, in-season trade that I would sacrifice a 1st/Amirov/etc. for. Otherwise, the Leafs shouldn't be expending those high-quality futures for lower priority needs (e.g. JT Miller).

But even still, as much as Chychrun would be a game-changer, I would be way more interested in pursuing Hampus Lindholm as a UFA. Muzzin has to go for either to fit, but he is more likely to waive his NTC in the summer to a competitive team than he would be to AZ in a Chychrun deal for instance.

Lindholm could be had for around 7x7 and it costs you no assets, plus double the term compared to Chychrun who needs a new mega deal at the same time as the Big 3.

Nylander and Matthews are up the year before Chychrun. That's when Muzzin and Brodie are up. Tavares and Marner are up when Chychrun is up.

 

[horner]

Yeah, if the leafs fail to win a playoff round this year, you have to look at a major shakeup with the core. Tavares is a non starter, would look terrible optically to move him. Nylander is the only one providing real value on their deal so you should want to keep him. Matthews is a franchise player, so you would want to keep him as long as he wants to stay. Marner is the only one that makes sense to move. That said if after next season we are still not having playoff success, you have to sit down and try and resign Matthews or move him. You can’t risk losing him for nothing.

we will have to make a decision on our at the end the 2022-23 season.
nmc and ntc kick in, also nylander and mathews need a new deal in 2024-25.
the cap wont be going up that much by then.
big decision

 

[TheShape]

Muzzin having a full NTC likely has a big part to do with it. He is not going to leave his hometown team which also happens to be a Cup Contender where he plays top 4 minutes. What entices him to waive this year, or even next year?

I also get the sense that Dubas still likes Muzzin, considering he is still performing well defensively... And he has never had more defensive zone starts in his Leafs career. It could also explain why it has been a little bit tougher offensively for both him and Holl. We are now seeing Sandin/Liljegren/Dermott get more defensive minutes as the year progresses and I think we've seen better performances out of Muzzin/Holl as a result too.

Muzzin's NTC is a 10 team list, not full. I'm indifferent, fine if we keep Muzzin another two seasons but I'd understand getting out from under his cap hit and allocating that money to a younger target. There could be a contingency plan in UFA or via trade. Even if it's a RHD, Brodie can shift back to the left side.

He looks like he's lost half a step, Holl playing like the number 6 that he is doesn't help things. Muzzin was so good last year he propped up Holl, as of now I think he needs some help.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Muzzin's NTC is a 10 team list, not full. I'm indifferent, fine if we keep Muzzin another two seasons but I'd understand getting out from under his cap hit and allocating that money to a younger target. There could be a contingency plan in UFA or via trade. Even if it's a RHD, Brodie can shift back to the left side.

He looks like he's lost half a step, Holl playing like the number 6 that he is doesn't help things. Muzzin was so good last year he propped up Holl, as of now I think he needs some help.

That is only in the last year of his deal. This year and next year, it is a full NTC.

 

[dubplatepressure]

So what’ll it take to get us to stop blowing leads again? Upgrading Dermott?

 

[TheShape]

That is only in the last year of his deal. This year and next year, it is a full NTC.

I was mistaken, thought it kicked in July 2022. Makes sense as I recall a few low key wanting Muzzin exposed at the ED.