GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[WTFMAN99]

So uh Jake Muzzin...

 

[dubplatepressure]

So uh Jake Muzzin...

Meh he's fine IMO. He has a terrible partner who cannot support him in the odd off-stretch. Lilly hasn't been given enough icetime to trust yet and Dermott's looking like a #6. So we have our answers in the short term - play Lilly and Sandin more than Dermott and look for a trade for a D pairing for Muzzin or in case of injury.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Meh he's fine IMO. He has a terrible partner who cannot support him in the odd off-stretch. Lilly hasn't been given enough icetime to trust yet and Dermott's looking like a #6. So we have our answers in the short term - play Lilly and Sandin more than Dermott and look for a trade for a D pairing for Muzzin or in case of injury.

I thought Brodie looked good with Muzzin in their limited time together but that would mean finding a partner for Rielly...still think Mayfield could be that guy.

 

[thusk]

Its great year for buyer at the trade deadline. A lot of great player should be available at trade deadline.

Leafs should look of a similar kind of trade than islanders did last season with palmieri and zajac. My target is the ducks for rackel and manson.

With all very good player, im not sure if the value of rakell or manson will be higher than a 2nd.

So maybe something like a 1st, dermott and an other pick late picknor prospect like abramov for manson and rakell at 50 % should be anough this season.

 

[TMLAM34]

Its great year for buyer at the trade deadline. A lot of great player should be available at trade deadline.

Leafs should look of a similar kind of trade than islanders did last season with palmieri and zajac. My target is the ducks for rackel and manson.

With all very good player, im not sure if the value of rakell or manson will be higher than a 2nd.

So maybe something like a 1st, dermott and an other pick late picknor prospect like abramov for manson and rakell at 50 % should be anough this season.

Anaheim is currently in a playoff spot. Why would they move either of those players?

 

[Leaffan1991]

I say just go for Mayfield and get Clutterbuck added with him for the fourth line

 

[Griffin76]

I say just go for Mayfield and get Clutterbuck added with him for the fourth line

Is Clutterbuck a pending UFA?

 

[thusk]

Anaheim is currently in a playoff spot. Why would they move either of those players?

False if we look at % of victory right now, they are out of playoff spot.

 

[TheShape]

I thought Brodie looked good with Muzzin in their limited time together but that would mean finding a partner for Rielly...still think Mayfield could be that guy.

Mayfield is a good option, same with someone like Peeke. Rielly's best ever season he was paired with Hainsey, Morgan just needs a partner to provide cover and let him down his thing.

A guy on my wish list is Rasmus Andersson, more of an off season move and I think would cost Dubas a significant amount. Would solidify the D core for years to come though.

Edit: He or Chris Tanev could shake free, Flames have some big cap decisions coming up with Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Mangiapaine all needing new deals.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Is Clutterbuck a pending UFA?

Yes

 

[Dragao6]

Meh he's fine IMO. He has a terrible partner who cannot support him in the odd off-stretch. Lilly hasn't been given enough icetime to trust yet and Dermott's looking like a #6. So we have our answers in the short term - play Lilly and Sandin more than Dermott and look for a trade for a D pairing for Muzzin or in case of injury.

Isn’t that what we said about dion phaneuf?? Hahah
It’s always the partners fault

 

[dubplatepressure]

Isn’t that what we said about dion phaneuf?? Hahah
It’s always the partners fault

I'd much rather look for an upgrade on Holl than try and find a replacement for Muzzin. I believe Muzzin is capable of good hockey whereas I don't believe Holl is a quality 2nd pairing D. I think as soon as we can we should be trying out one of Sandin or Lilly on the 2nd pairing.

 

[TMLAM34]

I'd much rather look for an upgrade on Holl than try and find a replacement for Muzzin. I believe Muzzin is capable of good hockey whereas I don't believe Holl is a quality 2nd pairing D. I think as soon as we can we should be trying out one of Sandin or Lilly on the 2nd pairing.

Liljegren looked so good against St. Louis. He was all over the ice making good plays defensively and offensively. Hopefully they keep Liljegren with Muzzin and we don’t see Holl back with Muzzin again.

 

[Cor]

Liljegren looked so good against St. Louis. He was all over the ice making good plays defensively and offensively. Hopefully they keep Liljegren with Muzzin and we don’t see Holl back with Muzzin again.

Muzzin - Liljegren constantly do well together, even their small stint last season.

It’s fairly obvious we need to allow Liljegren to run with that role. He’s more mobile than Holl which will help Muzzin, as time goes on.

The battle for the 6th spot should be between Holl and Dermott. Sandin, Liljegren, shouldn’t be sitting IMO.

 

[ShaneFalco]

As things stand, the team has three draft picks for the 2022 draft – their first, second, and seventh-round selections. Last season, the Leafs drafted in only the second, fifth, and sixth rounds. The front office obviously can’t blow through all of its draft picks and essentially punt on the draft two years in a row.
At the same time, it’s tough to judge much value the Leafs’ top prospects carry as trade assets around the league. 2020 first-round pick Rodion Amirov has played in 10 games this season. Their top selection in 2019, Nick Robertson, has played in two. Their two highest draft picks in 2018 and 2017, Rasmus Sandin and Timothy Liljegren, are both contributing in the NHL right now, and it would make little sense for a cap-crunched team like the Leafs to move out good, young, cost-controlled players unless it was part of an absolute homerun of a deal.
Their current deadline cap space projection, according to CapFriendly, is $928,275.

That is not a lot of draft picks, prized prospects, or cap space for Kyle Dubas to work with, and the Leafs are in arguably the most top heavy division. We could reasonably suggest all four of the playoff teams in the Atlantic are elite. That makes the prospect of doing nothing — or very little — at the trade deadline a tough pill to swallow.
To make matters more interesting, given the overall lack of assets and cap space, the Leafs can probably only accomplish one move of note to move the needle. The big decision for the Leafs will come down to whether it’s for a top-six forward or a top-four defenseman.

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/01/17/toronto-maple-leafs-notebook-muzzin-marner-campbell/

 

[Magic Man]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/01/17/toronto-maple-leafs-notebook-muzzin-marner-campbell/

The Leafs do have a pretty good list of prospects they can dangle. Someone like US olympic representative Nick Abruzzese or Finnish WJC captain Roni Hirvonen would be pretty nice prospects to get in a package. They can also start in on their 2023 draft picks, the 2023 2nd would be another solid chip to play instead of the one in 2022.

I would try and hold onto Robertson, Amirov, Knies, Niemela and the two young Leafs D - Sandin and Liljegren and their future 1st rd. picks at this time.

Taylor Hall was acquired for a 2nd rd. pick last year. While, Foligno went for a 1st and two 4ths. Ritchie/Mrazek or Bunting/Kase? Shop smarter this time.

 

[Dragao6]

I'd much rather look for an upgrade on Holl than try and find a replacement for Muzzin. I believe Muzzin is capable of good hockey whereas I don't believe Holl is a quality 2nd pairing D. I think as soon as we can we should be trying out one of Sandin or Lilly on the 2nd pairing.

I like Muzzin but he’s slow and only getting slower
Will be a problem

 

[ToneDog]

I like Muzzin but he’s slow and only getting slower
Will be a problem

Slow is not as big a problem as his mental mistakes. Personally I am gambling/hoping that the vet is conserving himself during the season and saving his best for the playoffs.

 

[Judas Tavares]

The Leafs do have a pretty good list of prospects they can dangle. Someone like US olympic representative Nick Abruzzese or Finnish WJC captain Roni Hirvonen would be pretty nice prospects to get in a package. They can also start in on their 2023 draft picks, the 2023 2nd would be another solid chip to play instead of the one in 2022.

I would try and hold onto Robertson, Amirov, Knies, Niemela and the two young Leafs D - Sandin and Liljegren and their future 1st rd. picks at this time.

Taylor Hall was acquired for a 2nd rd. pick last year. While, Foligno went for a 1st and two 4ths. Ritchie/Mrazek or Bunting/Kase? Shop smarter this time.

The most I would ante up in a deal would be
Robertson
Hirvonen or Abruzzese
1st

But that would have to be a player with term, this year +2 would be ideal and they would need to check a lot of boxes in terms of needs. Really hoping we avoid rentals unless it is for like a 2023 6th or a prospect ranked around 20 or something.

 

[Shooter2x]

The Leafs do have a pretty good list of prospects they can dangle. Someone like US olympic representative Nick Abruzzese or Finnish WJC captain Roni Hirvonen would be pretty nice prospects to get in a package. They can also start in on their 2023 draft picks, the 2023 2nd would be another solid chip to play instead of the one in 2022.

I would try and hold onto Robertson, Amirov, Knies, Niemela and the two young Leafs D - Sandin and Liljegren and their future 1st rd. picks at this time.

Taylor Hall was acquired for a 2nd rd. pick last year. While, Foligno went for a 1st and two 4ths. Ritchie/Mrazek or Bunting/Kase? Shop smarter this time.

We can't take all the best prospects off the table and expect to get value back that will actually take us on a deep run. People are too attached to these guys. Get attached to the stanley cup instead.

We need a top-4 20 minute guy. Key word need. If people don't want to pay up, there shouldn't be any toxicity around here when Florida or Tampa bounce us from the playoffs. You get what you paid for. Holl is AHL compared to the cycle shut down we used to get from Zaitsev, and even Zaitsev needed to be replaced after 2 seasons after he lost it mentally.

 

[The Podium]

Im going to throw out some possible TDL D targets that shouldnt be too expensive to acquire:

Cap: 2.5 @ 1 year remaining
Shoots: R

Cap: 787K @ 1 year remaining
Shoots: R

Cap: 1.45 @ 1 year remaining
Shoots: R

Cap: 1.8 Pending UFA
Shoots: R

Cap: 750k Pending RFA
Shoots: R

Cap: 1.35 Pending UFA
Shoots: R

Cap: 4 @ 3 years remaining
Shoots: L

Cap: 4.5 Pending UFA
Shoots: L

 

[Kiwi]

Brodie and Muzzin worked as a shutdown pair earlier this year

So my thinking is we get a good defensive "babysitter" for Rielly and put Muzzin and Brodie together to take the tougher matchups

One guy we don't talk about enough on here is Braun, he's limited offensively but his defensive metrics in a top 4RD role are extremely good and he's capable of holding down the fort while Rielly wanders

He's also from Philli, so no playoffs
He makes bugger all, so good for the cap and probably won't cost a premium asset to acquire

I think that's a smart, cost effective solution to our major problem

 

[TML1967]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/01/17/toronto-maple-leafs-notebook-muzzin-marner-campbell/

The flip side of this is, with everyone in our division so elite, does it make more sense to just add something small (rental D upgrade?) and sell our backup G if he rebounds?
Like, Tampa Flordia Carolina are all likely going to be adding. Boston just got back Tuka.
I dont know if spending a ton of assets makes sense this year sadly.

 

[zeke]

Im going to throw out some possible TDL D targets that shouldnt be too expensive to acquire:

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Cap: 2.5 @ 1 year remaining
Shoots: R

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Cap: 787K @ 1 year remaining
Shoots: R

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Cap: 1.45 @ 1 year remaining
Shoots: R

View attachment 499156Cap: 1.8 Pending UFA
Shoots: R

View attachment 499157Cap: 750k Pending RFA
Shoots: R

View attachment 499158Cap: 1.35 Pending UFA
Shoots: R

View attachment 499159Cap: 4 @ 3 years remaining
Shoots: L

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Cap: 4.5 Pending UFA
Shoots: L

I don't love those guys as more than Holl tbh.


Except for Zub - I doubt the sens would trade him but he would be a tremendous pickup. Very underrated defenseman.

 

[Nylanderthal]

The flip side of this is, with everyone in our division so elite, does it make more sense to just add something small (rental D upgrade?) and sell our backup G if he rebounds?
Like, Tampa Flordia Carolina are all likely going to be adding. Boston just got back Tuka.
I dont know if spending a ton of assets makes sense this year sadly.

So concede and waste another prime year of the big 4 and rielly while we’re getting vezina quality goaltending? No thanks. Not suggesting we mortgage the entire future, but you gotta make hay while the suns shining