GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

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Brent Burns

What would it take to get him on our team at full retention ($4 million)?
He has three more years after this and is 36. Still has plenty to offer and would be a massive upgrade on Holl. Would help our pp, add to team toughness and is a well liked, well respected right side defender from the Toronto area.

Maybe he wants to finish his career in southern Ontario? Does he really want to stick around for a rebuild at the end of his career?

I know it wouldn’t be cheap but this seems to be the type of player many fans (including myself) are clamouring for. I do understand if people think we can’t continue to burn young assets to win now but he might help for a few years.

Burns at 4M is great value even until he’s 40. Hes not nearly as physical as he used to be but still has his shot so can serve as a trigger man on the leafs PP.I doubt SJ retains that much unless the return is worth it.

Stay away from Kane. He’s great on the ice but a cancer to any team. There was a story that he fought one of our coaches last year during a practice.
 
They should absolutely look to acquire him.

I know people are hesitant because last year they moved a 1st for Foligno and it didn't work.

But just because Foligno didn't work that doesn't mean you straight up refuse to move a 1st that means if your 1st is available, and ours should be, we are a top team in this league.

If you are going to move a 1st you make sure it's for a difference maker.

As some somebody that lives in Western Canada and gets to see Dallas I will tell you this John Klingberg is 100% a difference maker.

You put him with Muzzin you got

Rielly Brodie

Klingberg Muzzin

Sandin Lilly/Dermott

That's a borderline elite top 4

That's the kind of defensive depth that wins championships.

If they can get John Klingberg they absolutely should because if he's in Toronto he's not in Tampa or Florida.

And trust me boys and girls you DO NOT want this guy in Tampa or Florida
 
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Why isn’t this a year to make a move?
What position should we be in to make a move?

I don't think they are strong enough to go through the east.

But as I said, closer to the deadline I could change my mind.
If they're running away from the east and have put space between themselves and Tampa, Florida and Carolina okay.
 
Burns at 4M is great value even until he’s 40. Hes not nearly as physical as he used to be but still has his shot so can serve as a trigger man on the leafs PP.I doubt SJ retains that much unless the return is worth it.

Stay away from Kane. He’s great on the ice but a cancer to any team. There was a story that he fought one of our coaches last year during a practice.

The thing is, if we don't pick him up, I can see him going to Canes/Boston/TB/Pitt. One of the contenders with strong leadership. That would suck for us.
 


Should we risk it? (chemistry, I mean).


Contract termination was really the only way for that situation to have played out. He'll at least have suitors now on a short term deal at low money that won't require trading away any assets for. Still figures to be a high risk, high reward scenario for the team that takes the plunge.
 
I can't fnd the exact, but when he was a potential UFA, the topic of playing for Toronto came up (as it always does), and I remember his response was something to the effect of playing in Toronto was not for him.

Soured me on him then, and less interested in him now. He is not a long-term solution and the assets and salary cap can be better allocated.
Could that have been drew Doughty? I know Doughty said pretty much the same thing.
 
Rogers/Bell media would never allow a personality like Kane here. Too much of a wildcard.
 


Should we risk it? (chemistry, I mean).


Absolutely not, not for league min, but someone will bite and in 2-3 years he’ll be right back where he started.

These aren’t isolated incidents, the guy’s a piece of shit.

The Leafs can’t afford to bring in anybody with term after the season, and need to shed money to sign Jackie.

This is not a year to trade a 1st. I’d do a package like this:

Dermott, at 1.5 for another year and able to play every game, worth not much, maybe a 3rd to the right team on his own, but a nice kicker in a deal, with added time to assess.

Ritchie has negative value but it’s only a year at 2.5, some team can eat it, if not retain but no more than 750k.

One of Robertson or Amirov, I’d prefer keeping Amirov, because you need to include value.

A pick as high as a 2nd, but not this year.

(I like Kerfoot and have no problem keeping him, but it’s all up to the numbers.)

For another skilled forward UFA, like Giroux, Radulov, Perron, Forsberg, Dustin Brown or Ryan Strome.

Or a UFA D like Klingberg, Goligoski or Stralman.

Maybe I’d throw in the 2024 or 2025 1st for G, Forsberg or Klinger, but they’d have to send picks or prospects with.

Probably dreaming on several fronts but that’s about all they can do under a flat cap.

That damn third year on the Marleau contract, when they could have given him 2x10 if they wanted, started a domino effect that’s still going.
 
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There’s no middle ground here if the Leafs pursue Kane.

He either shines and cleans up his act, in the short term, and helps the Leafs

Or it’s par for the course and is a complete sideshow.

Big gamble.

Also if he isn’t vaxxed that means he couldn’t play for like 6-8 weeks even if he got his doses right?
 
If they were to pursue Kane and sign him for the rest of the season under 1 million, they could simply send him down and suspend him if he does something stupid. Would not count against the cap.
 
I don't think they are strong enough to go through the east.

But as I said, closer to the deadline I could change my mind.
If they're running away from the east and have put space between themselves and Tampa, Florida and Carolina okay.

They've added at the deadline the last 5 years whether the team looked ready to compete or not. If it were up to me I'd stand pat, but Dubas' job is on the line here so I don't see him passing up an opportunity this year of all years.

The Foligno trade still leaves a sour taste.
 
The thing is, if we don't pick him up, I can see him going to Canes/Boston/TB/Pitt. One of the contenders with strong leadership. That would suck for us.

I wouldn’t risk destroying the locker room. SJ players reportedly said in their exit interviews if he’s on the roster next season to please trade them. He is a legitimate locker room killer. I think it started even while Pavs and Thornton were in the locker room.
 
I'd prefer the Leafs stand pat, and any additions be from the Marlies, college, or overseas players.

Doesn't seem like a year to blow the load.

That may change between now and the deadline, and then you might want to add a top 4 defender.

At this point the only piece I'd be remotely interested in would be a physical #5-6 guy similar to Bogo. But unless the team opts to trade Holl or Dermott mid season there's also not really room for another D man right now anyways.
 
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I could go either way on this but if Dubas & co decided to try Kane at 750k-1M on a 1 year deal (the rest of the season)

He fits in or is shipped off to the Marlies and told to stay home.

You'd need a clear conversation with who you consider the leaders on the team to be and tell them to tell you (Dubas) if things are getting stupid though so you can act swiftly.
 
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Even a 2 year buriable contract is fine. Worst case send him home and bury his money in the minors. Best case you have a top 6 power forward for just over 1 mill.
 
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There’s no middle ground here if the Leafs pursue Kane.

He either shines and cleans up his act, in the short term, and helps the Leafs

Or it’s par for the course and is a complete sideshow.

Big gamble.

Also if he isn’t vaxxed that means he couldn’t play for like 6-8 weeks even if he got his doses right?

I raised that point a few weeks ago when folks were discussing trading for him at 50% retention, but apparently he did end up getting vaccinated after he was caught with that fake vaccine card.
 
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