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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART III

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Cherry Picker said:
Grabbing Jakob Chychrun would be very similar to when the Lightning traded for McDonagh. Get that much needed steady 20+ minute defender.

I think Sandin + Robertson + 1st plus cap gets it done. Completely solidifies the defence and gives us a better shot in the playoffs.
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You do realize pretty much nobody is traded for that much ever? There are instances where players probably should get returns like that, but it simply doesn't happen
 
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SHANNYPLAN said:
Muzzin
for
Mid-Late 1st & Prospect

Dermott, Robertson, Niemela, TML 1st & 1st from Trade
for
Chychrun

2nd 2022 & 3rd 2023
for
Ben Chiarot

Rielly - Brodie
Chychrun - Chiarot
Sandin - Liljigren
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Personally I think that's a little much for Chychrun. If it comes to a bidding war because GMs start thinking like HF posters on value of players then the Leafs need to step away. Realistically I would say Dermott for the immediate player to fit Chychrun's spot on the roster, a 1st and either an A prospect or a B and another pick.
 
I can't see the Leafs moving Muzzin. I personally would love to see it happen but with his NTC in effect, there's no way he's waving it. Unfortunately we're stuck with him for the remainder of his contract.
 
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Avilaj07 said:
I can't see the Leafs moving Muzzin. I personally would love to see it happen but with his NTC in effect, there's no way he's waving it. Unfortunately we're stuck with him for the remainder of his contract.
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My guess is the final year of his deal, where it changes to a Modified-NTC.
 
Avilaj07 said:
I can't see the Leafs moving Muzzin. I personally would love to see it happen but with his NTC in effect, there's no way he's waving it. Unfortunately we're stuck with him for the remainder of his contract.
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well I mean it depends. Ideal world is he grabs his form back and we are gold.

maybe a week or 2 break will help.

if not. Then you talk to him in the summer. Listen we are going to move on this summer or next.

you have a 10 team NTC. (Probably canada. Buff Arizona and ?). Pick your team and we will see what we can do this year. Or we look to move you next week year.


Most players will work with team when have NTC to pick their spot in the summer rather than be available to 21 teams.


my bet is he goes back to LA next year. They need LD and doughty loves him.
 
Wow all these deals to give up the farm for question marks??

Sandin, Robertson our 1st??

Seriously?

I get you want to make a run at the cup, but we haven't even won a PO round...

Foligno all over again... We need some holes filled .. none of witch warrants our farm (lucky) if we have to sell that much to grab a player to sniff the cup then our core wasn't good enough to begin with...

We need a depth LW scorer (luxury) and a top #4 Dman.. doesnt have to be a hall of famer, just someone that can play in our system and shut toplines down..

Again... A LW and a #4 Defenseman...

That shouldn't warrant our entire future..

Sell off a B/C prospects and a 2nd to fill in those holes.. if the player we're eyeing is good enough then you start adding in our 1st.
 
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Ridiculously high price in that proposal but there is some logic in the concept of making the defense younger yet experienced. Shouldn't we consider the left side set? I certainly wouldn't want to do it at the expense of Muzzin or Rielly especially and also not Sandin. I'd consider paying a higher price for some hypothetical in-his-prime right side defender to really solidify the current defense.
 
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zeke said:
FYI Muzzin is better than Chychrun
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Defensively yes. And at this moment, overall yes maybe. But Chychrun is 23 with 4 years left on this contract at a cheaper hit playing on a brutally bad team. In 2 years the contracts won't even be slightly comparable. I like Muzzin just as much as the next guy but he's gonna age so quickly. Chychrun and Rielly for the next 4 years would be nuts. Resign Chychrun for 8 years after that and we have both for 8 full years of Rielly plus the rest of this year, and Chychrun for the following 4. Wouldn't just be a move for the present. Could be a huge impact for the next 8-10 years. And Muzzin doesn't even necessarily have to be moved out right away. Just wait for the huge decline that will happen. Sandin is the player that would have to be moved on from. And personally I would want Chychrun as I believe he can be Rielly's replacement. I don't feel the same way about Sandin.
 
If Chychrun could play the right side I’d be all in on him. We’re pretty set on the left side with Rielly, Sandin and Muzzin. Given our salary cap and draft pick situation on top of that, it’s hard to believe Toronto would be all in on Chychrun.

With Philadelphia struggling, I can see a name like Ristolainen potentially coming up as a trade target. Pending UFA, probably wouldn’t cost too much to acquire and potentially re-sign.
 
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Griffin76 said:
Defensively yes. And at this moment, overall yes maybe. But Chychrun is 23 with 4 years left on this contract at a cheaper hit playing on a brutally bad team. In 2 years the contracts won't even be slightly comparable. I like Muzzin just as much as the next guy but he's gonna age so quickly. Chychrun and Rielly for the next 4 years would be nuts. Resign Chychrun for 8 years after that and we have both for 8 full years of Rielly plus the rest of this year, and Chychrun for the following 4. Wouldn't just be a move for the present. Could be a huge impact for the next 8-10 years. And Muzzin doesn't even necessarily have to be moved out right away. Just wait for the huge decline that will happen. Sandin is the player that would have to be moved on from. And personally I would want Chychrun as I believe he can be Rielly's replacement. I don't feel the same way about Sandin.
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Giving up a poop load to gamble on a minor potential upgrade in the shortterm seems to be a bad idea to me. That's ignoring the risk of Chychrun just being another guy benefitting from big minutes on a terrible team. And a guy who currently has one big offensive season with lots of potential fluke risk built into it as his claim to fame.

And the chances of Muzzin falling off a cliff in his early 30s over the next 2 seasons is slim.
 
I know these proposed deals for Chychun is based on getting it done but Chychun is not worth that much.
And I don’t think a lot of teams are willing to pay that much for him, either.
Beside, I have a strong feeling Muz is saving himself for playoffs as a lot of vets tend to do.
 
hockeynorth said:
I am fairly confident Chychrun would be our best dman
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So now this thread is claiming that, despite the Leafs being one of the best defensive teams in hockey for multiple years now, and despite the Coyotes being the very worst team in the league......that the Coyotes not only have the best defenseman of the two teams (when the Leafs have 3 proven top pair dmen on elite teams), but also that their #5 dman Lyubushkin would be an upgrade to our top4 as well.


Do you guys ever think that maybe, just maybe, you underrate the Leafs' dmen?
 
zeke said:
Giving up a poop load to gamble on a minor potential upgrade in the shortterm seems to be a bad idea to me. That's ignoring the risk of Chychrun just being another guy benefitting from big minutes on a terrible team. And a guy who currently has one big offensive season with lots of potential fluke risk built into it as his claim to fame.

And the chances of Muzzin falling off a cliff in his early 30s over the next 2 seasons is slim.
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how would you rate muzzin this year?
 
Legion34 said:
how would you rate muzzin this year?
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The toughest usage matchup dman on one of the best defenses in hockey hasn't been perfect this year, but has been far from bad.

How would you rate Chychrun this year?
 
zeke said:
The toughest usage matchup dman on one of the best defenses in hockey hasn't been perfect this year, but has been far from bad.

How would you rate Chychrun this year?
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I don’t know. You said you don’t predict him going off a cliff in the next 2
Years.

he has looked really bad this year. Multiple ridiculous giveaways. Slow. Bad reads.

it’s that falling off a cliff ? Hill? Injuries?
 
Legion34 said:
I don’t know. You said you don’t predict him going off a cliff in the next 2
Years.

he has looked really bad this year. Multiple ridiculous giveaways. Slow. Bad reads.

it’s that falling off a cliff ? Hill? Injuries?
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Normal slump that any player goes through?
 
zeke said:
Giving up a poop load to gamble on a minor potential upgrade in the shortterm seems to be a bad idea to me. That's ignoring the risk of Chychrun just being another guy benefitting from big minutes on a terrible team. And a guy who currently has one big offensive season with lots of potential fluke risk built into it as his claim to fame.

And the chances of Muzzin falling off a cliff in his early 30s over the next 2 seasons is slim.
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We're already seeing him with 1 foot over the cliff though. Only a matter of time before the other goes too and he slips over. And again acquiring Chychrun doesn't have to mean the end of Muzzin. Chychrun would be a long term solution as well. The upgrade right now would be Chychrun over Sandin
 
Griffin76 said:
We're already seeing him with 1 foot over the cliff though. Only a matter of time before the other goes too and he slips over. And again acquiring Chychrun doesn't have to mean the end of Muzzin. Chychrun would be a long term solution as well. The upgrade right now would be Chychrun over Sandin
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He's 32yrs old. He's the toughest usage dman on one of the best defenses in hockey. He's been spectacular the last 2yrs.

How's chychrun doing this year?
 
zeke said:
So now this thread is claiming that, despite the Leafs being one of the best defensive teams in hockey for multiple years now, and despite the Coyotes being the very worst team in the league......that the Coyotes not only have the best defenseman of the two teams (when the Leafs have 3 proven top pair dmen on elite teams), but also that their #5 dman Lyubushkin would be an upgrade to our top4 as well.


Do you guys ever think that maybe, just maybe, you underrate the Leafs' dmen?
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I love the Leafs blueline, that doesn’t mean certain players wouldn’t upgrade it. I think Lyubushkin is a horrible idea though, he’d be at the bottom of our depth chart
 
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