GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART III

[dubplatepressure]

I’d give up a ton of futures + Holl/Muzzin for Chychrun easily.
He’s exactly what we need on the backend.

Never played a full season in what 6 seasons? Good talent I agree - but I can't see a deal there.

 

[SprDaVE]

Colin Miller might just be a smart "buy low" option if the Leafs want to shake up the defence just a bit. I don't think it would take a lot to get him as a pending UFA. I think he'd fit the system we have very well.

Another Sabre that I think would be a smart target would be Mark Pysyk. Dirt cheap at a cap hit of 900k and has played some big minutes for the Sabres. I would love for the Leafs to target him by the deadline or next off-season. He's probably one of my top targets.

As for Severson, I think he'd be very hard to get away from the Devils. 2nd in minutes behind Hamilton and doing pretty well.

 

[pspot]

Severson and McLeod would be great

 

[Joel Ward]

Pretty sure Chychrun spent a lot of time on the right side for Sarnia for what it's worth.

 

[Stigma]

Colin Miller might just be a smart "buy low" option if the Leafs want to shake up the defence just a bit. I don't think it would take a lot to get him as a pending UFA. I think he'd fit the system we have very well.

Another Sabre that I think would be a smart target would be Mark Pysyk. Dirt cheap at a cap hit of 900k and has played some big minutes for the Sabres. I would love for the Leafs to target him by the deadline or next off-season. He's probably one of my top targets.

As for Severson, I think he'd be very hard to get away from the Devils. 2nd in minutes behind Hamilton and doing pretty well.

I like your Pysyk idea. I consider him one of those non-flashy, but gets-the-job-done defenders. Very good bang for the buck with good underlying stats.

 

[Dragao6]

Only thing for me is chychrun is a great option for now and for the future so those kind of deals I have no problem overpaying abit

I mean 2 1st? Our picks aren’t that high, if this keeps going our 1st is almost a second
We could get a better 2nd for holl? Then ours

I mean if we do nothing again in playoffs I’m assuming dubas starts feeling serious pressure so why not

I also see domi and subban in a cheap deals with leafs jersey next season

 

[Magic Man]

Severson, Manson, Mayfield are players where it makes sense to move a Holl or Dermott if need be to make room.

C. Miller and Lyubushkin are the type of defender where given what the Leafs currently have may create some internal debate on whether a FA at season's end that may or may not be better than Holl and Dermott who have 2 years at a set rate is actually a smart idea. If there is an injury, for sure, grab one of them for a cheap price. Lyubushkin in particular could be swapped for Dermott on the roster and probably fill a greater purpose, with the chance of re-signing him at a similar price being pretty good imo. That could make up for their miss on Hakanpaa.

 

[zeke]

Severson, Manson, Mayfield are players where it makes sense to move a Holl or Dermott if need be to make room.

I guess I just don't see why their teams are moving them?

Anaheim is a team on the up that may win their division.

Jersey is a young team who wants to be on the up and Severson is one of their main pieces?

I guess there's some sense in the Isles moving Mayfield but after losing so much D he seems like one of the few guys they'd want to keep even if they tried to completely blow it up?

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Id like to go into the playoffs without really any add that costs more than a 3rd. Add a physical #6/7 D option perhaps for cheap.

This team shouldn't need any additions to get past the 1st round and until they do get past the 1st round I wouldn't risk wasting any major assets

 

[LeafChief]

Colin Miller might just be a smart "buy low" option if the Leafs want to shake up the defence just a bit. I don't think it would take a lot to get him as a pending UFA. I think he'd fit the system we have very well.

Another Sabre that I think would be a smart target would be Mark Pysyk. Dirt cheap at a cap hit of 900k and has played some big minutes for the Sabres. I would love for the Leafs to target him by the deadline or next off-season. He's probably one of my top targets.

As for Severson, I think he'd be very hard to get away from the Devils. 2nd in minutes behind Hamilton and doing pretty well.

I was really convinced a few years back that we were going to get Colin Miller from Vegas when they selected him in the expansion draft. The cap hit is a bit high.

Pysyk is interesting at 900k. Good depth. Can play forward in a pinch. Seems to always score against us.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Go take a look at the Chychrun thread on the trade forum if you want a good laugh. Easily most overrated player in the league at this point

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Id like to go into the playoffs without really any add that costs more than a 3rd. Add a physical #6/7 D option perhaps for cheap.

This team shouldn't need any additions to get past the 1st round and until they do get past the 1st round I wouldn't risk wasting any major assets

Agreed, and we don't even have any major needs.

A lot of playoff teams, and many teams that make it far, don't even make any moves (or at least major moves) at the TDL. They maybe spend a mid-round pick on a good value depth add who is on the fringes of their lineup. That is it.

We are a well-constructed team right now. At best, we maybe find a home for a Holl/Dermott or an Engvall later on in the year and need a replacement for them. That is the best I can see the Leafs doing, and the best I think the Leafs should do. Shouldn't even cost us picks; we can probably get it done with some of the prospects we have on the Marlies.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

No, he isn't exactly what we need. As @WTFMAN99 has just said, we've committed to Mo, have Muzzin, Sandin, Dermott at LD... LD isn't a position of weakness, with a glaring hole.

If Chychrun was a RD.... sure.

LD/RD, who cares?

He’s the best rumoured D available, and only 23 years old on a sweetheart deal. If the LD/RD thing is such an issue, try to move Muzzin

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Agreed, and we don't even have any major needs.

A lot of playoff teams, and many teams that make it far, don't even make any moves (or at least major moves) at the TDL. They maybe spend a mid-round pick on a good value depth add who is on the fringes of their lineup. That is it.

We are a well-constructed team right now. At best, we maybe find a home for a Holl/Dermott or an Engvall later on in the year and need a replacement for them. That is the best I can see the Leafs doing, and the best I think the Leafs should do. Shouldn't even cost us picks; we can probably get it done with some of the prospects we have on the Marlies.

Yup exactly, the team is deep pretty much all over the roster. My biggest worry i guess is Campbell getting injured. Funny to see so many are happy to move on from Dermott (rightfully) when I got absolutely ripped to shreds last summer for suggesting that was going to happen lol

 

[Ziggdiezan]

LD/RD, who cares?

He’s the best rumoured D available, and only 23 years old on a sweetheart deal. If the LD/RD thing is such an issue, try to move Muzzin

Muzzin has a NTC and family in the area, he isn't going anywhere

 

[SprDaVE]

LD/RD, who cares?

He’s the best rumoured D available, and only 23 years old on a sweetheart deal. If the LD/RD thing is such an issue, try to move Muzzin

Some players don't do well on their off-side. It's important in a sense. When we acquired Muzzin, it was said that Rielly can just move to the RD and it'll be a perfect pairing. It wasn't that easy after all. So while I agree with the concept that LD/RD is overstated, it is important not to dismiss it flat out either.

Moving out Muzzin to acquire Chychrun seems like a sideways move that doesn't need to happen. We're essentially in the same position at a very expensive cost...

 

[4thline]

Moving out Muzzin to acquiring Chychrun seems like a sideways move that doesn't need to happen. We're essentially in the same position at a very expensive cost...

Won't happen, and it IS very lateral in the shortterm but there are benefits. Extra year, 1m per in cap space, less age related risk/downside, some upside... I don't know what that's worth, but it's something

 

[Magic Man]

I guess I just don't see why their teams are moving them?

Anaheim is a team on the up that may win their division.

Jersey is a young team who wants to be on the up and Severson is one of their main pieces?

I guess there's some sense in the Isles moving Mayfield but after losing so much D he seems like one of the few guys they'd want to keep even if they tried to completely blow it up?

You're right on Anaheim. I had no idea they were doing that well. I assumed they were still in the basement.

The other guys I could still see going. Teams in the basement - sell.

 

[Fogelhund]

LD/RD, who cares?

He’s the best rumoured D available, and only 23 years old on a sweetheart deal. If the LD/RD thing is such an issue, try to move Muzzin

So you are happy to move at least a first, Sandin/Lilly and maybe another prospect, to obtain him? Then move Muzzin to fix the cap... it seems like an awfully expensive way, to marginally improve the team. Sure, he's the best rumoured D available, and the price is going show that.

..and LD/RD matters for a lot of players. The only reason it wouldn't, is if Chychrun can adequately play the right side, because neither Mo, nor Muzzin can. Then you still have to dance to find a way to make the cap work.

The challenge right now in Capfriendly, is I'm not sure it's taking into account LTIR room we've accumulated... even if I move Holl, Ritchie, Engvall, get back Crouse and Chychrun.. we are still $2 mil over the cap. If you run a 20 man roster, and move Holl, Ritchie, Engvall, Dermott... trade a 1st, Robertson, and HRED, you are ok with the cap... but, it's a 20 man roster.... and even then, we've got 4 guys to play the Left side, and two to play the right.

 

[Duffman955]

We are likely facing a top 5 team in the league in the 1st round

Panthers or Tampa

So we need to load up

 

[4thline]

So you are happy to move at least a first, Sandin/Lilly and maybe another prospect, to obtain him? Then move Muzzin to fix the cap... it seems like an awfully expensive way, to marginally improve the team. Sure, he's the best rumoured D available, and the price is going show that.

It's such a far fetched premise that IF it were to happen, I'd go so far to say that a 3 way trade is the likely way, with Muzzin going to a 3rd team, and their futures subsidizing Chychrun. In principle it's something that would benefit us, but I don't know where the line is of what we'd add.

 

[Fogelhund]

Leafs fans always want the shiniest toy available, and not necessarily the one that fits best, at a reasonable cost... and then, freak out when things don't work out, and we've given up valuable futures to do so.

Find something that actually fits our needs, instead of trying to wedge a round peg, into a square hole, and whatever dancing is required to make it fit.

More importantly, have some patience and see what is going to work... you know, Muzzin and Lilly might end up being a fine second pairing, with Sandin and Dermott working out well on the bottom pair.... then maybe move Holl for an adequate #7 guy... like Lyubushkin. Of if you want more physicality, move Dermott and some picks, and grab a guy like Mayfield.... we need a better, more rounded team, not just plugging the shiniest asset into our mix.

 

[justashadowof]

LD/RD, who cares?

He’s the best rumoured D available, and only 23 years old on a sweetheart deal. If the LD/RD thing is such an issue, try to move Muzzin

LD/RD thing is such an issue. Players have to be used in a way to succeed. Other players aren't candidates to be moved or demoted (Rielly and Muzzin). And the organization likes Sandin a lot. They aren't looking to move him either.

The NHL did a real disservice for years not distinguishing the positional usage of its defensemen. I think we're still in the after effects of this not being treated as a real life consideration.

I'll never forget going to one of my first Leafs' games as a teenage when the coach was Dan Maloney. He sent out Al Iafrate and another LD I think it was Todd Gill (pairing from hell btw, two 20 yos on defense). The two defensemen had a short argument over which one had to play the right side for the shift. I remember it being a really bad shift, they were hemmed in, they were scored on or took a penalty, I don't remember.

 

[Mad hatter]

We are likely facing a top 5 team in the league in the 1st round

Panthers or Tampa

So we need to load up

Definitely hoping that we finish first in the Atlantic and play Boston, we owe them. Lighting and Panthers can then beat up on each other hopefully. Of course since it’s the leafs we’ll probably play the lightning and lose in game seven.

I would like them to pick up some like Edmundson, depending on the cost

 

[jaric1862]

I don’t see a single name out there that makes sense for the top 4, unless we’re talking strictly rental.

There are a bunch of good names out there for bottom pairing guys , if someone we have right now wants to step up and take a top 4 job.