Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - LIV

[TheSauceBoss]

Standard pricing for forwards is about $1M per 10pts. Right?

 

[DeagleJenkins]

At this point I think trading Zuccarello is one of those hypotheticals that just doesn't go anywhere, at least not in the next year or so. They're not going to trade away a PPG winger that's got preternatural chemistry with the team's best player.

If you are going to replace him with a younger, almost a PPG winger that is showing chemistry with your best player along with upgrading your center situation, why not? I get that Zucc is good and good with Kap but eventually he is going to be moved, why not do it with his value high right now and allow us to retain a quality C if we do indeed trade for miller? Would you rather have the top six i created or trade fiala and figure out a new secondary scoring line?

 

[Bazeek]

If you are going to replace him with a younger, almost a PPG winger that is showing chemistry with your best player along with upgrading your center situation, why not? I get that Zucc is good and good with Kap but eventually he is going to be moved, why not do it with his value high right now and allow us to retain a quality C if we do indeed trade for miller? Would you rather have the top six i created or trade fiala and figure out a new secondary scoring line?

Mostly because I'm not convinced that you can swap Zuccarello for Miller and still keep Fiala, but a lot of that comes down to Fiala's contract demands. If those end up being lower than I expect (i.e. less than $7m AAV) then I'm not against seeing if we can figure something out.

More realistically I just don't think they'll trade away Zuccarello after the year he's had with Kaprizov, though. Next summer's a different question.

Regardless, the upshot of all of this is that these are decisions that can be made in June, even if they add at the deadline.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Will probably work, but that exact roster is about 800k over the cap assuming a flat cap. On an aside, Val Nichuskin would be an awesome FA, especially if we lose greenway.

Isn't the assumption at the moment that we're going to see $1M bumps? I thought that was the last I heard.

 

[AKL]

Isn't the assumption at the moment that we're going to see $1M bumps? I thought that was the last I heard.

That was before Canada decided to shut down their arenas again so all bets are off. Granted, a lot of those games got postponed because of that, so we'll see how things go.

 

[57special]

Fair enough, though I think this option dries up quickly when Fiala balks at $6.5m.

I wonder what he would do if offered 8/6.5. That's life changing money, there.

 

[GuerinUp]

I wonder what he would do if offered 8/6.5. That's life changing money, there.

probably ask for 8x 9

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Mostly because I'm not convinced that you can swap Zuccarello for Miller and still keep Fiala, but a lot of that comes down to Fiala's contract demands. If those end up being lower than I expect (i.e. less than $7m AAV) then I'm not against seeing if we can figure something out.

More realistically I just don't think they'll trade away Zuccarello after the year he's had with Kaprizov, though. Next summer's a different question.

Regardless, the upshot of all of this is that these are decisions that can be made in June, even if they add at the deadline.

Currently we can guess he is at 7 mill x6. just for fun. acquire miller for 22 1st + a prospect they really like. RD is apparently a need but maybe they want a forward who knows. Miller after next year would be the interesting tipping point. what would his raise be? this will have to become a year by year roster flip until the dead cap is gone so who knows.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Isn't the assumption at the moment that we're going to see $1M bumps? I thought that was the last I heard.

Don’t think that’s happening anymore

 

[ThatGuy22]

Don’t think that’s happening anymore

That'll still happen probably.

It's based on a formula, and even with the handful of empty crowd games they should hit 4.8 billion that means auto 1 million incease given the new TV deals, the winter classic actually happened, all star game is gonna happen, etc.

They hit 4.3 billion in the 2019-2020 season only playing the 70 games.

And any revenues between 3.3 and 4.8 billion will have a cap increase upto that 1 million proportional to how close they got. So if they get to like 4.5 billion, there will be like an 800k increase in cap.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Wonder if BGs relationship with Allvek from their Pittsburgh days will help or the trade front.

Probably not, but I can dream.

 

[MuckOG]

Price just went up

 

[Bazeek]

Price just went up

Almost as many goals as Hartman.

 

[MK9]

Almost as many goals as Hartman.

Great. Canuck fans will think they can get a 4th 1st rounder for him now.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Great. Canuck fans will think they can get a 4th 1st rounder for him now.

They think they're going to get the Eichel return for him

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

We should probably address the fact that Talbot is at 8 Goals against above expected this year. He has not been good. I've thought Kahk has looked pretty good, though.

 

[BagHead]

We should probably address the fact that Talbot is at 8 Goals against above expected this year. He has not been good. I've thought Kahk has looked pretty good, though.

Yeah, Talbot started poorly, then did well, and then did poorly again. Just been inconsistent. I will say in his favor, though, even when he has been having poor stretches of games he seems to come up with a huge save here or there that he shouldn't, and it's been helping the team win thanks to all the scoring help he gets. That one big save has been the difference between a win and a loss several times this year.

That said, Kahkonen has done the same, and been more consistently good, so I say ride him while he's hot.

 

[Spurgeon]

We should probably address the fact that Talbot is at 8 Goals against above expected this year. He has not been good. I've thought Kahk has looked pretty good, though.

He 100% should be traded this off-season and Kahk should be our starter.

 

[MK9]

He 100% should be traded this off-season and Kahk should be our starter.

Eh, guess I'd rather see how he does in the playoffs (long as things don't go sideways before then.) before anointing him the top guy.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Maybe I’m silly, but I really think we can make keeping Fiala work. We’d have to move Dumba, and I would consider moving Talbot as well, but it works with the cap

 

[57special]

He 100% should be traded this off-season and Kahk should be our starter.

Absolutely not, unless we get a 1st + for him. He is only paid 3M, which is peanuts for starter...there is nothing down in Iowa, not even a solid backup, IMO. Maybe next year at the TDL if someone develops, but I am not holding my breath. Jones, Baribeau, Kowzlewski, MacIntyre, are all average AHL'ers (at best) at this point. Hammond might be an OK emergency backup.

Two years from now I would love to be seeing KK as the starter, Wallstedt as the backup.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Absolutely not, unless we get a 1st + for him. He is only paid 3M, which is peanuts for starter...there is nothing down in Iowa, not even a solid backup, IMO. Maybe next year at the TDL if someone develops, but I am not holding my breath. Jones, Baribeau, Kowzlewski, MacIntyre, are all average AHL'ers (at best) at this point. Hammond might be an OK emergency backup.

Two years from now I would love to be seeing KK as the starter, Wallstedt as the backup.

He's paid closer to $4M and there's a lot of goalie options in this free agent class.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Maybe I’m silly, but I really think we can make keeping Fiala work. We’d have to move Dumba, and I would consider moving Talbot as well, but it works with the cap

That's what it comes down to really. One or the other.( or zucc).

One of the 6m salaries will need to be jettisoned. Just a matter of which one.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

That's what it comes down to really. One or the other.( or zucc).

One of the 6m salaries will need to be jettisoned. Just a matter of which one.

Given how Addison’s looked this year, that one makes the most sense to me. I would move Talbot and try and find a 1A/1B guy to run with Kahk. It’s be one thing if Talbot was playing at an average NHL starter level, but he’s been very meh this year and letting in more than he should. Probably going to need to allocate the same amount to the goaltending position still, though.

 

[Spurgeon]

Absolutely not, unless we get a 1st + for him. He is only paid 3M, which is peanuts for starter...there is nothing down in Iowa, not even a solid backup, IMO. Maybe next year at the TDL if someone develops, but I am not holding my breath. Jones, Baribeau, Kowzlewski, MacIntyre, are all average AHL'ers (at best) at this point. Hammond might be an OK emergency backup.

Two years from now I would love to be seeing KK as the starter, Wallstedt as the backup.

$2.7M can be saved by trading him and bringing in a backup. Goalies have such marginal success over their counterparts, which make them the best candidates to go cheap on during a cap crunch.

That's what it comes down to really. One or the other.( or zucc).

One of the 6m salaries will need to be jettisoned. Just a matter of which one.

They can all stay. It’s really not that difficult to make them all work here next year.