Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - LIV

[Dr Jan Itor]

Maybe I’m silly, but I really think we can make keeping Fiala work. We’d have to move Dumba, and I would consider moving Talbot as well, but it works with the cap

We can absolutely make it work for next year if we swap Greenway + Talbot out and can find a free agent goalie for ~$1.5M or less, even if Fiala got $7.5M and we could even keep Dumba for that year if we wanted.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Given how Addison’s looked this year, that one makes the most sense to me. I would move Talbot and try and find a 1A/1B guy to run with Kahk. It’s be one thing if Talbot was playing at an average NHL starter level, but he’s been very meh this year and letting in more than he should. Probably going to need to allocate the same amount to the goaltending position still, though.

I'd also agree with Dumba being the prime trade target, if we can get some term under Fiala under 7.

Would also have zero issue trading Talbot and going shopping for a backup.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Kaprizov - Hartman - Zucc
Boldy - Rossi - Fiala (7.5)
Foligno - Eriksson Ek - Gaudreau
Duhaime - Sturm (1.2) - Dewar
13th F (.75)
Parise

Brodin - Dumba
Kulikov - Spurgeon
Merill - Addison (.8)
7th D (.75)
Suter

Kahkonen (3)
FA goalie (1.5)

$81M cap hit

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

We can absolutely make it work for next year if we swap Greenway + Talbot out and can find a free agent goalie for ~$1.5M or less, even if Fiala got $7.5M and we could even keep Dumba for that year if we wanted.

Yup. I’m curious to know what we’d need to keep Boldy/Addison under for bridge deals to make Fiala work through the buyouts though. I’d give Boldy like 1/5M after his deal to get through the Zuccarello deal, then see what’s what. I just don’t think Dumba fits here long-term, and I hope Guerin sees that as well.

 

[57special]

He's paid closer to $4M and there's a lot of goalie options in this free agent class.

$2.7M can be saved by trading him and bringing in a backup. Goalies have such marginal success over their counterparts, which make them the best candidates to go cheap on during a cap crunch.




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OK, you convinced me - if KK puts together a string of good games, that is. He has been good recently, but I need to see more.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Yup. I’m curious to know what we’d need to keep Boldy/Addison under for bridge deals to make Fiala work through the buyouts though. I’d give Boldy like 1/5M after his deal to get through the Zuccarello deal, then see what’s what. I just don’t think Dumba fits here long-term, and I hope Guerin sees that as well.

Keeping Fiala would absolutely cost us one of Dumba or Zuccarello, but it just technically doesn't have to be until after next season if you can stomach letting Dumba go for nothing.

 

[57special]

Yup. I’m curious to know what we’d need to keep Boldy/Addison under for bridge deals to make Fiala work through the buyouts though. I’d give Boldy like 1/5M after his deal to get through the Zuccarello deal, then see what’s what. I just don’t think Dumba fits here long-term, and I hope Guerin sees that as well.

I agree on Dumba, but we need to squeeze another year out of him, IMO. The cavalry should start to arrive in 23-24 in the form of at least one of ROR/ Hunt/ Lambos/??

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

As of now, Detroit doesn't have anybody under contract next season to tandem/backup Nedeljkovic, might be interested in Greenway (fits with Larkin/Bertuzzi/Vrana age group), has a ton of cap space and has two 2nds and three 4ths in this draft.

Greenway + Talbot to Detroit for futures.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I agree on Dumba, but we need to squeeze another year out of him, IMO. The cavalry should start to arrive in 23-24 in the form of at least one of ROR/ Hunt/ Lambos/??

Addison can take his spot, Lambos can hopefully take Goligoski’s spot the year after.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Addison can take his spot, Lambos can hopefully take Goligoski’s spot the year after.

Hopefully it's not Goligoski's spot.

 

[57special]

Addison can take his spot, Lambos can hopefully take Goligoski’s spot the year after.

I don't think we can re-sign Goligoski. Slow, mediocre defensively, and not strong, or tough, and next year he will be 37 yo. I know his boxscores look fat, but he gets walked a lot, and doesn't win puck battles. I don't see how Addison goes from an AHL call up to a top 4 Dman, either. Dumba has his defensive warts, but the guy is athletic, fast, and reasonable strong/tough. We need that.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If we can prolong this until after next year, and I think it's possible that we can, it at least becomes justifiable, no matter how well he's still doing, to trade Zuccarello the summer before the last year of his contract.

Lambos, Khusnutdinov and Beckman in for Kulikov, Gaudreau and Zucc. Probably ~$12M in space for Dumba, Boldy and Addison if the cap doesn't budge (and if Fiala gets $7.5M per). And if you're locking up Dumba, then Addison becomes less important.

Probably works if you can get Dumba for ~6 x $6.5M, Boldy for 2 x $4.5M and Addison for 2 x $2M

Problem could be Boldy/Rossi bonus overages though.

 

[justanomade]

I really dont understand hockey fans complete lack of emotion for their own players. Its all cap space, cap space, cap space all the way.

Loyalty doesnt really matter in this league, but I guess thats USA for you.

Its a little boring or maybe a little sad, to be honest.

 

[Prior]

Nothing about Fiala’s contract negotiations to this point suggests a reasonable deal is coming. Especially when you consider he’s finally got a legitimate budding star to ride shotgun with him on his line. He’s going to pile in points as the season progresses and if they get a center worth a damn, look out.

Sky is the limit for what Boldy’s next contract looks like at this point. I think it’s going to be really hard to project exactly where he is as a player and a piece for this team when it’s time to talk contract given his development path. Making any big decisions on any large extensions without having a great handle on him would be a mistake. Outside of Kaprizov, he’s likely the most important piece in this organization right now.

 

[Wabit]

I really dont understand hockey fans complete lack of emotion for their own players. Its all cap space, cap space, cap space all the way.

Loyalty doesnt really matter in this league, but I guess thats USA for you.

Its a little boring or maybe a little sad, to be honest.

To be fair with the amount of dead cap staring the team in the face it has to be cap space. It really is a choice between which 1-4 players are kept and which ones are moved on from in the near future.

The Wild are also in a transition phase as an organization. They had basically the same team for 7-8 seasons and needed to move on from that group.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

I really dont understand hockey fans complete lack of emotion for their own players. Its all cap space, cap space, cap space all the way.

Loyalty doesnt really matter in this league, but I guess thats USA for you.

Its a little boring or maybe a little sad, to be honest.

Unfortunately the whole salary cap thing doesn’t account for loyalty.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I really dont understand hockey fans complete lack of emotion for their own players. Its all cap space, cap space, cap space all the way.

Loyalty doesnt really matter in this league, but I guess thats USA for you.

Its a little boring or maybe a little sad, to be honest.

Because cap space decides which of your players you can keep. Nobody just wants cap space so the owner makes more money.

 

[MK9]

I really dont understand hockey fans complete lack of emotion for their own players. Its all cap space, cap space, cap space all the way.

Loyalty doesnt really matter in this league, but I guess thats USA for you.

Its a little boring or maybe a little sad, to be honest.

What a dumb statement.

 

[f7ben]

This isn’t hard

Kap Hart Zucc - 16.7
Gre Eek Fol. - 10.7
Bld Ros Fia - 8.8
Dew Stur Duhaime - 3.6

Brodin Dumba - 12
Kulukov Spurg - 9.8
Addison Merril - 2.1

kahk wallstedt - 3.4

Goligoski and Talbot gone
This leaves a few million next year to fill in pieces

Greenway can stay if he wants to take 2.1 on a 3 year deal. Kahk gets 2x2.5 max

 

[Bazeek]

This isn’t hard

Kap Hart Zucc - 16.7
Gre Eek Fol. - 10.7
Bld Ros Fia - 8.8
Dew Stur Duhaime - 3.6

Brodin Dumba - 12
Kulukov Spurg - 9.8
Addison Merril - 2.1

kahk wallstedt - 3.4

Goligoski and Talbot gone
This leaves a few million next year to fill in pieces

If you fill out the last three spots with league minimum players and there's a $1m cap increase it could work.

But it comes down to contract demands: as soon as Fiala, Greenway, Sturm or Kahkonen want more than what you've projected they're gone. That part's not really in the team's hands.

 

[f7ben]

If you fill out the last three spots with league minimum players and there's a $1m cap increase it could work.

But it comes down to contract demands: as soon as Fiala, Greenway, Sturm or Kahkonen want more than what you've projected they're gone. That part's not really in the team's hands.

For sure but I have Fiala at 7 and I think that’s more than fair. If he wants more goodbye. Same with Greenway. He has earned about what he’s being paid now and I’m good with keeping him if he wants to stay for that amount. Kahk at 2x2.5 is more than fair and I think he jumps at it because nobody else is going to make him their #1 and give him the chance he’s gonna get here. My scenario is only for the next two years. When Boldy needs his deal then moves tougher than this have to be made. I like this group right now and I think if Rossi continues on the right path our window is open fully for this season through 23-24.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I really dont understand hockey fans complete lack of emotion for their own players. Its all cap space, cap space, cap space all the way.

Loyalty doesnt really matter in this league, but I guess thats USA for you.

Its a little boring or maybe a little sad, to be honest.

Should they just say screw the rules? Cap space matters. How do you propose keeping both Dumba and Zucc? Dumba has been more loyal to this franchise than Zucc, yet these are essentially the two options to get to cap compliance next year and beyond if we re-sign Fiala (which we need to do).

 

[kfan22]

This isn’t hard

Kap Hart Zucc - 16.7
Gre Eek Fol. - 10.7
Bld Ros Fia - 8.8
Dew Stur Duhaime - 3.6

Brodin Dumba - 12
Kulukov Spurg - 9.8
Addison Merril - 2.1

kahk wallstedt - 3.4

Goligoski and Talbot gone
This leaves a few million next year to fill in pieces

The Wild will not have a 19 yr old as their backup goalie next year, plus that would not be good for his development

 

[f7ben]

The Wild will not have a 19 yr old as their backup goalie next year, plus that would not be good for his development

He will be 20 a few weeks into the season and has been playing pro hockey. If he’s the wonder kid we think he is playing 20-30nhl games and being with the big club will be a great move for him.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Vancouver wants a first a bluechip/ former first rounder and a player for Miller.

so 2023 First Round draft pick, Filip Johansson and Victor Rask?

lol probably 2022 First Round, Carson Lambos/Marco Rossi and Dumba