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I would hope that our 1st isn't on the table, even with full retention.
Edited my post to add Ethan Bear, also with full retention. He's been our best defenceman outside of Hughes. Nevertheless I can understand not wanting to move a 1st in a deep draft. The perception outside of Minnesota is that the Wild have to attempt a run while Kaprizov is under contract.
 

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Edited my post to add Ethan Bear, also with full retention. He's been our best defenceman outside of Hughes. Nevertheless I can understand not wanting to move a 1st in a deep draft. The perception outside of Minnesota is that the Wild have to attempt a run while Kaprizov is under contract.
Don't need Bear either.
 

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As a Canucks fan I'd do full retention for both Boeser and Ethan Bear for a 1st. I think Boeser could do very well back home playing with Boldy and getting PP1 minutes. Bear is playing very good 2nd pairing minutes.

As a Wild fan, the only way I'd send our 1st to Vancouver is if Elias Pettersson (the center) is coming back.
 

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As a Wild fan, the only way I'd send our 1st to Vancouver is if Elias Pettersson (the center) is coming back.
If the conversation is descending into hyperbole this quickly there's probably not much point in continuing it.
 

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Edited my post to add Ethan Bear, also with full retention. He's been our best defenceman outside of Hughes. Nevertheless I can understand not wanting to move a 1st in a deep draft. The perception outside of Minnesota is that the Wild have to attempt a run while Kaprizov is under contract.
You can have hunter height and a 4th for boeser 1m retained
 

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In the scenario where Guerin is aware that we could’ve kept Fiala and he just didn’t think he was worth it (likely scenario imo), and he is interested in Boeser at his full number, what would you be ok giving up? I would love to get Boeser across from Boldy. It wouldn’t take all too much maneuvering assuming a cap increase of 3ish million, which might be modest based on projections. It would mean Boldy probably takes a 2 year bridge at 5M, which I think might be more than he actually gets.
 

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In the scenario where Guerin is aware that we could’ve kept Fiala and he just didn’t think he was worth it (likely scenario imo), and he is interested in Boeser at his full number, what would you be ok giving up? I would love to get Boeser across from Boldy. It wouldn’t take all too much maneuvering assuming a cap increase of 3ish million, which might be modest based on projections. It would mean Boldy probably takes a 2 year bridge at 5M, which I think might be more than he actually gets.
Not much more than Dumba straight up if he’s at his full cap hit.
 

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In the scenario where Guerin is aware that we could’ve kept Fiala and he just didn’t think he was worth it (likely scenario imo), and he is interested in Boeser at his full number, what would you be ok giving up? I would love to get Boeser across from Boldy. It wouldn’t take all too much maneuvering assuming a cap increase of 3ish million, which might be modest based on projections. It would mean Boldy probably takes a 2 year bridge at 5M, which I think might be more than he actually gets.

Dumba or a 3rd round pick
 
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In the scenario where Guerin is aware that we could’ve kept Fiala and he just didn’t think he was worth it (likely scenario imo), and he is interested in Boeser at his full number, what would you be ok giving up? I would love to get Boeser across from Boldy. It wouldn’t take all too much maneuvering assuming a cap increase of 3ish million, which might be modest based on projections. It would mean Boldy probably takes a 2 year bridge at 5M, which I think might be more than he actually gets.

I'd be willing to give up the GM for considering Boeser at full price.
 

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In the scenario where Guerin is aware that we could’ve kept Fiala and he just didn’t think he was worth it (likely scenario imo), and he is interested in Boeser at his full number, what would you be ok giving up? I would love to get Boeser across from Boldy. It wouldn’t take all too much maneuvering assuming a cap increase of 3ish million, which might be modest based on projections. It would mean Boldy probably takes a 2 year bridge at 5M, which I think might be more than he actually gets.
Really? I'd have that as too low.
 

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Really? I'd have that as too low.
He’s on pace for 60 points. He’s well on his way to being a great 1st line winger, but I don’t think he’s in the conversation that some of these guys that are getting 8 x 8 are. On a bridge, it’s even less. Joel Farabee is a comparable for me. I’d give him more than Farabee, but on 2 years vs 7, I wonder if the number doesn’t come down a bit.
 

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He’s on pace for 60 points. He’s well on his way to being a great 1st line winger, but I don’t think he’s in the conversation that some of these guys that are getting 8 x 8 are. On a bridge, it’s even less. Joel Farabee is a comparable for me. I’d give him more than Farabee, but on 2 years vs 7, I wonder if the number doesn’t come down a bit.
If it ends up being that way, I'd say "mission accomplished" to the whole 'playing him on the island' strategy.
 

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He’s on pace for 60 points. He’s well on his way to being a great 1st line winger, but I don’t think he’s in the conversation that some of these guys that are getting 8 x 8 are. On a bridge, it’s even less. Joel Farabee is a comparable for me. I’d give him more than Farabee, but on 2 years vs 7, I wonder if the number doesn’t come down a bit.

If Farabee got 5Mx6 for ~45/82, Boldy should be in line for at least 6.5Mx6 for ~60-65/82. At that point, it's not that far off an 8Mx8. I guess it all comes down to what the player would be looking for, but even a 2 year bridge shouldn't be any lower than 5.5M.

There are a lot of guys you can look to and say they're decent enough comparables for Boldy, and they tell you a lot of different things. Clayton Keller could be another one who signed a 7.1Mx8 deal back in 2019 after producing at about a 55 point pace through his ELC. Meier got 6Mx4 after one season of 60+ point production on his ELC. Boeser got 6.6Mx3 after two years of ~68 point production.
 

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If Farabee got 5Mx6 for ~45/82, Boldy should be in line for at least 6.5Mx6 for ~60-65/82. At that point, it's not that far off an 8Mx8. I guess it all comes down to what the player would be looking for, but even a 2 year bridge shouldn't be any lower than 5.5M.

There are a lot of guys you can look to and say they're decent enough comparables for Boldy, and they tell you a lot of different things. Clayton Keller could be another one who signed a 7.1Mx8 deal back in 2019 after producing at about a 55 point pace through his ELC. Meier got 6Mx4 after one season of 60+ point production on his ELC. Boeser got 6.6Mx3 after two years of ~68 point production.
Farabee signed the deal in the offseason after a 38 point 55 games shortened season that included 20 goals. Probably a similar pace to what Boldy will do this year. I don’t think Guerin will have too much trouble getting Boldy signed to a bridge deal and if the line was 5M on a 2 year deal I’d personally take the under. Players on these shorter deals historically get squeezed. Fiala signed a 2 year, 3M deal after 2 years of decent middle-six production, for example. Not a great comparable given their different ages, but I can’t imagine Boldy gets a big number on a bridge unless he really blows the doors off this season.
 

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Necas just signed a 2 year, 3 million per season extension before this season, and I’d say he’s probably in the discussion for comparable. 2 seasons ago he put up 41 points in 53 games and last year he put up 40 points in 78. I think Boldy will have a better 2nd season, but probably not way better.
 

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Boeser's lack of speed and two way game, injury history, and contract have put him in the "do not want" category, for me. Dumba makes less than him, and his contract will be up at the end of the year, whereas Boeser's contract will be around like a bad smell for the next two years after this one, right in the middle of our cap hell.

Only way I take him is if VAN retains. Unfortunately, we don't really have a bad contract we can send the other way.

This, from the HFB Canuck's board.

He's had 2 foot injuries, 2 hand injuries, a back injury, upper body injury and an arm injury in his career. The back injury in 2018 at the hands of Clutterbuck seemed to really effect his skating; and then the arm/hand injuries really screwed his lethal shot he had.

and this,

The trouble with Boeser is that if he isn't scoring, he's almost a complete liability in other areas. He's not very physical along the wall, and has real trouble winning puck battles in his own zone. And he isn't generating enough speed through the neutral zone to threaten any d-man.

He used to be a fixture on the PP....but he's been supplanted by Miller, Horvat, Kuzmenko and even Mikheyev. He's primarily a one-trick pony, but he simply isn't finding the time and space to get his shot off.


and this,

I don't know if it was the back injury, but his skating has gotten so bad that he is useless now. He can't defend because he can't get there in time, and he can't score because he doesn't have enough time to get his shot off, and on top of that, his wrist is finished and can't shoot it anything like what he used to. He has 9 points in 11 games, and is a -9. Guy is a liability that skates in slow motion, I don't know how any professional scout could watch him play and think he could actually help their team. Our 4th liners are more impactful.

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and this,


Whatever injury he had that effected his lower body mobility in 2018/2019 was reaggravated in 2021 and has gotten progressively worse.

Not only can he not move. His wrist/hand is permanently seized. There's been numerous sightings of a heavily taped up wrist over the past few years and apparently the guy had his wrist heavily taped up in Toronto. It hasn't gotten better.

He will get by on getting secondary points but the reality is this that this might be his last contract before he's done in the NHL.


It goes on, and on. Boeser might have 15 points, but only 4 goals. Do we really want to saddle Boldy(and the team) with this guy? Finally,

The fact that Brock Boeser was dynamic 5 years ago in the fall of 2017 isn't making his value close to Fiala's in 2022 after Fiala put up 85 points.


Most of these points were not put up by Boeser "haters" but rather by fans of Boeser who are saddened by what he and his game has turned into. Buyer beware!
 
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Necas just signed a 2 year, 3 million per season extension before this season, and I’d say he’s probably in the discussion for comparable. 2 seasons ago he put up 41 points in 53 games and last year he put up 40 points in 78. I think Boldy will have a better 2nd season, but probably not way better.
I think if Necas had those seasons in reverse order he'd have almost surely gotten more. Harder to bet on a guy that's regressed than it is on a guy who's progressed. Sucks for Necas, because he's worth a lot more than that.

I'd be surprised if Boldy gets less than $5M per year, unless he also regresses offensively. That sure doesn't appear to be what's happening, though.
 

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I think if Necas had those seasons in reverse order he'd have almost surely gotten more. Harder to bet on a guy that's regressed than it is on a guy who's progressed. Sucks for Necas, because he's worth a lot more than that.

I'd be surprised if Boldy gets less than $5M per year, unless he also regresses offensively. That sure doesn't appear to be what's happening, though.
Time will tell
 

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I'm all for getting him on a lower AAV contract as long as we're not gonna repeat the whole Fiala thing again. I just think, looking at the comps, he's a lot closer to a Matt Tkachuk quality player than he is to guys like Farabee or Necas, even if the numbers don't necessarily always agree. 8x8 wouldn't bother me because I know he's worth it.

The other aspect of this for me is I don't particularly care about the next two years. As long as we can ice a team that fits under the cap, we're not gonna compete for much anyway, so if signing a longer team deal now keeps the AAV after the dead years closer to 8 than 10, that's preferable.
 

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To me, the next two years will be us doing a dance to pretend to be competitive in order to keep the fans, and mainly, Kaprizov, happy. If he sees us bring over Yurov and/or Marat during that time, Rossi develops, Boldy is on his line, AND that we have exciting young players in the pipeline then he might be persuaded to re-sign here.

It would've been tough to ice a contender even with Fiala, but if everything fell right, then it might've been a possibility. As is, I don't see it.
 
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I like the idea of a 2 year bridge deal less and less. 2 year bridge so they keep him on an island to keep him cheap. Then lowball him so the next contract it turns into a 1 year prove it deal. Stop me if this sounds familiar.
 
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