Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[Dr Jan Itor]

Mittelstadt is probably the best option currently if you want to strike a Zibanejad-like golden ticket, though he hasn't done enough to warrant that kind of optimism. Still, can't really think of any others that fit better.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

If Guerin’s logic is sound, there should be know way we can even explore this:

 

[Wabit]

If Guerin’s logic is sound, there should be know way we can even explore this:

I'm not too worried about GMBG going after Boeser. No PIT ties, RHS, not physical, cap hit, doesn't play a 200' game, etc. Oh and I almost forgot the main reason he's a top-6 skill player...

The only thing that has me slightly worried is: I don't want Boeser. GMBG has done a lot of things I don't like.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Without opining on whether we should, if we can sign the following guys to the following amounts, we technically could fit Boeser in next year:

Boldy $5.5M
Addison $2.5M
Duhaime $1.1M
Gustavsson $1.1M
Shaw $800k
13th forward/7th defenseman $750k

Only a 21 man roster though.

 

[57special]

I'll be pissed as hell if we trade for Boeser after letting Fiala go, supposedly because of the money. Boeser has a 6.65M cap hit fro two more years after this one(right in our cap hell), and he's half the player Fiala is.

 

[AKL]

I'll be pissed as hell if we trade for Boeser after letting Fiala go, supposedly because of the money. Boeser has a 6.65M cap hit fro two more years after this one(right in our cap hell), and he's half the player Fiala is.

100% this. You can't let Fiala go because he wanted 7.9M and then turn around and pay Boeser 6.6M.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

100% this. You can't let Fiala go because he wanted 7.9M and then turn around and pay Boeser 6.6M.

What if you're only paying him $4.4M?

 

[AKL]

What if you're only paying him $4.4M?

I'd hate to know what we'd have to pay on top of the cost to acquire to get Vancouver to retain 2.2M on him for two more years.

I refuse to believe a Dumba for Boeser swap is realistic (I think Vancouver would want futures), but maybe part of that deal is they retain 2.2M for Dumba, and the bonus for them is saving 4.4M for the next two years.

Again, I refuse to believe that's realistic until I see it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'd hate to know what we'd have to pay on top of the cost to acquire to get Vancouver to retain 2.2M on him for two more years.

Doesn't really sound like there's much cost to acquire.

And, for the record, I haven't watched a single Vancouver game except the one that we played 4 games in, so I'm looking at this with a little faith/optimism that might not be warranted.

 

[AKL]

Doesn't really sound like there's much cost to acquire.

And, for the record, I haven't watched a single Vancouver game except the one that we played 4 games in, so I'm looking at this with a little faith/optimism that might not be warranted.

If the cost to acquire is really that small, and Vancouver retains down to 4.4ish, I wouldn't be upset about giving it the old college try. All things considered, he'd be an upgrade on whoever's lining up across from Boldy every night, that's for sure. But I wouldn't be all that interested in expensing valuable assets to get it done.

I could see a scenario where Guerin has kind of given up on Beckman (he's not really progressing much, doesn't play with any grit, isn't a defensive player) and would offer him, that would be fairly hard to swallow. Dumba for Boeser would be good. It all comes down to how much value Boeser actually has right now. He's a buy low candidate, so I'd expect the price to be a buy low price.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If the cost to acquire is really that small, and Vancouver retains down to 4.4ish, I wouldn't be upset about giving it the old college try. All things considered, he'd be an upgrade on whoever's lining up across from Boldy every night, that's for sure. But I wouldn't be all that interested in expensing valuable assets to get it done.

I could see a scenario where Guerin has kind of given up on Beckman (he's not really progressing much, doesn't play with any grit, isn't a defensive player) and would offer him, that would be fairly hard to swallow. Dumba for Boeser would be good. It all comes down to how much value Boeser actually has right now. He's a buy low candidate, so I'd expect the price to be a buy low price.

This is pretty much where I'm coming from.

If the cost to acquire is really that small, and Vancouver retains down to 4.4ish, I wouldn't be upset about giving it the old college try. All things considered, he'd be an upgrade on whoever's lining up across from Boldy every night, that's for sure. But I wouldn't be all that interested in expensing valuable assets to get it done.

I could see a scenario where Guerin has kind of given up on Beckman (he's not really progressing much, doesn't play with any grit, isn't a defensive player) and would offer him, that would be fairly hard to swallow. Dumba for Boeser would be good. It all comes down to how much value Boeser actually has right now. He's a buy low candidate, so I'd expect the price to be a buy low price.

This is 92% of where I'm coming from.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Tired of kicking the tires on prospects that have failed to live up to their potential. Only one really that we've seen develop into something was Fiala and he was shipped out as soon as we could get anything for him.

If the object is to get as many middle to bottom 6 centers and hope that eventually one will break out - then yeah, grab as many as possible.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Tired of kicking the tires on prospects that have failed to live up to their potential. Only one really that we've seen develop into something was Fiala and he was shipped out as soon as we could get anything for him.

If the object is to get as many middle to bottom 6 centers and hope that eventually one will break out - then yeah, grab as many as possible.

It's not ideal, but it's not exactly like we are swimming in cap space the next few seasons. We basically have to draft our own centers or get players that have failed/not broken out yet.

 

[thestonedkoala]

It's not ideal, but it's not exactly like we are swimming in cap space the next few seasons. We basically have to draft our own centers or get players that have failed/not broken out yet.

This team has been trying to do both since their inception and have failed wonderfully at both. They are the most unsuccessful successful team in the NHL and mediocre and boring are great adjectives to use for the team. Instead of trying to rebuild, they retooled. Can't wait for this team to go 4-1 in the playoffs, us coming back next season and whining that we still don't have a first line center for the 22nd year in a row.

 

[Wabit]

Tired of kicking the tires on prospects that have failed to live up to their potential. Only one really that we've seen develop into something was Fiala and he was shipped out as soon as we could get anything for him.

If the object is to get as many middle to bottom 6 centers and hope that eventually one will break out - then yeah, grab as many as possible.

That's the thing with prospects though, most don't live up to their potential. The NHL, AHL, Euro leagues, and KHL are littered with these players.

Also, I think expectations are stupidly high for most prospects. At the end of the day, all that being a high draft pick gets anyone is more chances to fail.

 

[Digitalbooya]

This team has been trying to do both since their inception and have failed wonderfully at both. They are the most unsuccessful successful team in the NHL and mediocre and boring are great adjectives to use for the team. Instead of trying to rebuild, they retooled. Can't wait for this team to go 4-1 in the playoffs, us coming back next season and whining that we still don't have a first line center for the 22nd year in a row.

I'm not exactly sure what you would like them to do. What would be your plan?

 

[Wabit]

I'm not exactly sure what you would like them to do. What would be your plan?

Draft better is the easy answer.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Draft better is the easy answer.

Maybe we could start with them actually drafting centers in the 1st round?

 

[thestonedkoala]

I'm not exactly sure what you would like them to do. What would be your plan?

Actually commit to a rebuild instead of kicking the can down the road.

More than likely Dumba and Zuccarello are going to walk along with Hartman, Reaves and Foligno because Minnesota is in the middle of a playoff race and they aren't going to move guys like these at the deadline where their value is at the highest.

More so, as you mention commit to drafting centers. Made absolutely zero sense that Minnesota moved up to grab an overager in the 2021 draft, but couldn't do the same in the 2nd round when Raty and Stankoven fell.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Actually commit to a rebuild instead of kicking the can down the road.

More than likely Dumba and Zuccarello are going to walk along with Hartman, Reaves and Foligno because Minnesota is in the middle of a playoff race and they aren't going to move guys like these at the deadline where their value is at the highest.

More so, as you mention commit to drafting centers. Made absolutely zero sense that Minnesota moved up to grab an overager in the 2021 draft, but couldn't do the same in the 2nd round when Raty and Stankoven fell.

Didn't pursue Dach like crazy is another one.

The committing to a rebuild won't happen till post-Kaprizov.

I think they will trade Dumba this year.

 

[Wabit]

Maybe we could start with them actually drafting centers in the 1st round?

It sounds great in theory, but there just aren't quality center sitting on the board when MN usually picks unless its a reach.
2010: Granny: Kuznetsov was 17 picks later
2011: Brodin: Miller 5 picks later Danault 16 picks later. Phillips: Jenner was 9 picks later, Rask 14 picks later.
2012: Dumba: Hertl was 10 picks later
2013: no pick (would have had 16oa), I guess Hartman 14 picks later?
2014: Tuch: Schmaltz was 2 picks later
2015: JEE: Konecny was 4 picks later, Aho was 15 picks later
2016: Kunin: Tage T was 11 picks later (he looked like nothing until last year)
2017: no pick (would have had 23oa). No center of note after this pick.
2018: FJ (traded): No center of note (yet)
2019: Boldy: no centers of note (yet)
2020: Rossi: Lundell and Mercer within 10 picks (playing center), Perfetti and Jarvis within 10 picks (listed as centers at the draft).
2021: Wallstedt: Only 3 player drafted after him have any NHL games.

Miller instead of Brodin (I'd still take Brodin), Schmaltz instead of Tuch, and the Rossi pick are the only ones I see as reasonable swaps. I'm not even counting the number of other centers/FWDs drafted between the Wild pick and other possible options.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Didn't pursue Dach like crazy is another one.

The committing to a rebuild won't happen till post-Kaprizov.

I think they will trade Dumba this year.

With limited options and Minnesota in a playoff spot, I don't see why they'd trade Dumba

 

[Digitalbooya]

It sounds great in theory, but there just aren't quality center sitting on the board when MN usually picks unless its a reach.
2010: Granny: Kuznetsov was 17 picks later
2011: Brodin: Miller 5 picks later Danault 16 picks later. Phillips: Jenner was 9 picks later, Rask 14 picks later.
2012: Dumba: Hertl was 10 picks later
2013: no pick (would have had 16oa), I guess Hartman 14 picks later?
2014: Tuch: Schmaltz was 2 picks later
2015: JEE: Konecny was 4 picks later, Aho was 15 picks later
2016: Kunin: Tage T was 11 picks later (he looked like nothing until last year)
2017: no pick (would have had 23oa). No center of note after this pick.
2018: FJ (traded): No center of note (yet)
2019: Boldy: no centers of note (yet)
2020: Rossi: Lundell and Mercer within 10 picks (playing center), Perfetti and Jarvis within 10 picks (listed as centers at the draft).
2021: Wallstedt: Only 3 player drafted after him have any NHL games.

Miller instead of Brodin (I'd still take Brodin), Schmaltz instead of Tuch, and the Rossi pick are the only ones I see as reasonable swaps. I'm not even counting the number of other centers/FWDs drafted between the Wild pick and other possible options.

All I'm saying is it's hard to have a 1C if there isn't one available.

Last draft, Kulich/Mesar/Bystedt were sitting there at 19 and 24. Gaucher was there at 19.

Johnston was picked a few spots after Wallstedt in 2021.

With limited options and Minnesota in a playoff spot, I don't see why they'd trade Dumba

Because this draft is loaded with centers expected to go in the 1st round.

 

[bandwagonesque]

I'd hate to know what we'd have to pay on top of the cost to acquire to get Vancouver to retain 2.2M on him for two more years.

I refuse to believe a Dumba for Boeser swap is realistic (I think Vancouver would want futures), but maybe part of that deal is they retain 2.2M for Dumba, and the bonus for them is saving 4.4M for the next two years.

Again, I refuse to believe that's realistic until I see it.

As a Canucks fan I'd do full retention for both Boeser and Ethan Bear for a 1st. I think Boeser could do very well back home playing with Boldy and getting PP1 minutes. Bear is playing very good 2nd pairing minutes.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

As a Canucks fan I'd do full retention for a 1st. I think Boeser could do very well back home playing with Boldy and getting PP1 minutes

I would hope that our 1st isn't on the table, even with full retention.