Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!
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I can't wait to see this deal when it finally happens
Boeser lives down the road from me and I see him often around the lake in the summer. He moves around like someone nowhere near his age and isn’t in the best shape physically.
I think if you could get him a year without rehabbing and focusing on getting his game back I think you will have something. He’s a good guy and has skill set that is not present in this organization. As long as he carries his deal I can’t see how it makes sense for this franchise right now to take that risk. Especially when what you would consider their most “problematic” deals are Spurgeon, Brodin, and Zuccarello who still bring significant value over what is a true cap dump in Boeser at this point.
I think if you could get him a year without rehabbing and focusing on getting his game back I think you will have something. He’s a good guy and has skill set that is not present in this organization. As long as he carries his deal I can’t see how it makes sense for this franchise right now to take that risk. Especially when what you would consider their most “problematic” deals are Spurgeon, Brodin, and Zuccarello who still bring significant value over what is a true cap dump in Boeser at this point.
If they’re talking to Vancouver, I’d have more interest in Kuzmenko and seeing what they could do to make the money work on a new deal. Likely talking comparable money to Boeser, hopefully slightly less.
Add Khusnutdinov and Yurov into the mix and have a top 6 filled with Russians…
Add Khusnutdinov and Yurov into the mix and have a top 6 filled with Russians…
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In 2025....So we can get Boeser for a 5th?
Which we don't have cause Reaves
That makes sense. Skill and talent doesn't just "leave you" in your mid 20's...it's usually some debilitating injury, or a series of them. Kind of weird that the Canucks didn't do a better due diligence on him before signing him to that contract, if his injuries are as bad as they sound.
Rank these players in terms of who you’d want the Wild to acquire (also factor cost to acquire and contract):
Boeser
Garland
Horvat
Dvorak
Mittelstadt
Domi
Meier
Roslovic
Duclair
Boeser
Garland
Horvat
Dvorak
Mittelstadt
Domi
Meier
Roslovic
Duclair
Mitts for a 2nd
Domi for a 2nd
Horvat/Larkin for a 1st+ (I think both get re-signed by their current teams).
None of the rest.
Boeser, Garland, and Dvorak are all contracts I don't like in term/money.
Duclair hasn't played this year, and he's a wing
Meier has a $10m QO, and he's a wing.
Roslovic would be fine as a rental, but has a $4m cap hit for next year too.
Toews and Money are somewhat interesting to me. I'm not sold on either and have no clue on the cost to get them.
Going a little deeper I'd be kicking the tires on Krebs (BUF) and Hayton (AZ), but the ask is probably (rightfully so) more than I would pay.
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I like Hayton. He's not a sure fire top six guy, and he doesn't have a lot of the same tools Ek has, but reminds me of him in a way. He'll probably never live up to the 5OA draft slot, but he could still develop into a good two way middle six center. I would love him depending on his cost. Probably wouldn't give up a 1st for him, but I would probably give up something like Beckman+2nd or similar.
We still need a wing opposite of Boldy. Duclair would be a great option since Florida is in a cap crunch this season and he’s set to return soon. Meier would be a Fiala reset button that would only work if he signs for the right amount.
None of the above. Horvat maybe, but he'd be WAY too expensive as would Meier.
I have no interest in getting wings in general. It's just putting lipstick on a pig and not addressing the real team needs. It probably makes it harder to get centers because all the cap is used up.
Mittelstadt - cheap, some offensive upside. An improvement on Steel, hopefully, but if he doesn't work out no biggie. We still get to keep our 1st, and keep our cap in shape going forward. I would bet that he would be easy to re-sign here on a hometown discount...he's a homebody. I would rather go after Kulich or Krebs, though.
- signed for one more year at 2.5M.
Domi- possible headcase, and flaws in his game, but;
- has some skill and might take off playing with Kap and Zucc
- would kick the crap out of anyone looking at Kap
- makes only 3M, and is a UFA after this year. Easy come, easy go.
- should be cheap to acquire
- Can play C
Meier - really like him as a player. Assumes that he can be resigned at a Fiala- like contract(I might be 1M or so off there, which would make for a problem). Would be pricey, and i still don't think it puts us over the top, so you can question the logic in doing this deal. If he was a C, I'd go for it, but , alas...
Horvat- I don't like his game as much as Meier's, but he is a C. Will cost a ton to acquire, and re-sign, due to having a career best season, in the final year of his contract- go figure. Will cost at least as much as Meier. Good on FO's. Everything else i said about Meier applies to him.
Dvorak- has never impressed me. Gaudreau like...actually worse defensively... mediocre at 4.5M. contract would burden us through the cap penalty years, and would be a move that has us treading water at best. I'd rather we make moves that make us better, or worse. At least he's a C
Garland- easy to like, but he makes 5M for 2-3 more years, and isn't a C. Tiny, and runs into injury problems. Not a difference maker.
Roslo - had a good 3-4 mos, then went back to bottom six mediocrity. Not willing to pay 4M for that till the end of next season.
Duclair - is out till the spring at a minimum, with a torn Achilles. They'd have to pay us to take him. A LW signed for 3M next year. Don't know why we would contemplate this trade. Achilles injuries can ruin careers, and certainly speed.
Boeser - well, it depends on the deal, but if there is not a LOT salary retention(40%+, which i don't think VAN does), then no thank you. It sounds like injuries have slowed his game and weakened his shot, making him on overpaid 6.65M player who isn't gritty or good defensively. At least he'd be cheap to acquire, but again, cap is a problem over the next two years, which just happens to be the length of his contract.
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Well we're not getting any centers anyway with all the cap we had to start the season.
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Finding it kind of funny that we're still talking about saving cap space for a center at this point.
List of somewhat viable center targets that have been traded or signed contracts in Guerin's tenure:
Dylan Strome
Ryan Strome
Nazem Kadri
PL Dubois
Vincent Trochek
Max Domi
Pius Suter
Philip Danault
Erik Haula
Alex Wennberg
Jack Studnicka
You can talk about how much you like or dislike any of them, and I wouldn't have personally gone after some of them, so I get it, but why are we saving space for them? This is Guerin's fourth year here and the only reason our center situation isn't significantly worse than it was before he arrived (somehow) is because of Ek's progression.
Some of that is because guys like Koivu (who wasn't very good even in 2018-19) and Staal got older and started sucking, sure, but Guerin also traded Kunin, who would almost certainly be a better fit in the top six than either of the guys currently playing there, and he hasn't done anything else to address that hole.
You gotta actually go get centers if you're gonna save money for them. For better or worse, right or wrong, Guerin hasn't been particularly interested in going to get them (or anyone of any significance, for that matter, except his old buddy Fleury).
List of somewhat viable center targets that have been traded or signed contracts in Guerin's tenure:
Dylan Strome
Ryan Strome
Nazem Kadri
PL Dubois
Vincent Trochek
Max Domi
Pius Suter
Philip Danault
Erik Haula
Alex Wennberg
Jack Studnicka
You can talk about how much you like or dislike any of them, and I wouldn't have personally gone after some of them, so I get it, but why are we saving space for them? This is Guerin's fourth year here and the only reason our center situation isn't significantly worse than it was before he arrived (somehow) is because of Ek's progression.
Some of that is because guys like Koivu (who wasn't very good even in 2018-19) and Staal got older and started sucking, sure, but Guerin also traded Kunin, who would almost certainly be a better fit in the top six than either of the guys currently playing there, and he hasn't done anything else to address that hole.
You gotta actually go get centers if you're gonna save money for them. For better or worse, right or wrong, Guerin hasn't been particularly interested in going to get them (or anyone of any significance, for that matter, except his old buddy Fleury).
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I'm positive he has gone after some, both in trades and UFA, and again I'll reiterate, I didn't like all of them at the times of their movement, so I'm not suggesting he has to be in on every single one of them. But at a certain point, if you're going after them, you have to get ONE. Not even several, just ONE, if you're genuinely trying to make a difference.
So he's either incompetent or he's not trying all that hard, which makes it extremely perplexing that we have rumors about him trying to get a top six forward now. And making moves like keeping Dumba. And making moves like trading a 2nd and 3rd for Fleury and Deslauriers.
It's like he's trying to just tread water, which is the most frustrating thing to watch because it's what we've been watching for 20 years.
He talks a good game, but ultimately, once he decided to buy out Parise and Suter, and trade Fiala, it became pretty clear that he was moving the team's window of contention forward a few years. That's part of the reason he wanted to sign Kap for longer than 5 years.
The talk about "winning" is just to satisfy sponsors, STH, fans in general, and the players.
As far as MN not being a destination in FA? I'd have to disagree. It's not the most popular place to go, but certainly ahead of many others. The hockey culture, city, facilities, and overall professional way the team is run is an attraction to many, as is the lack of pressure that you might have in some markets. Sort of a Goldilocks locale. A lot of players are from the country, or suburbs....MN suits them just fine. Taxes are higher than in some places, but less than others. COL is reasonable.
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