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We dont need physicality from the right side, we just need physicality in general which as of right now Kulikov and Middleton bring if we move Dumba. What Addison can bring is proper PP QB, good offense and quick dzone exits with puck retrieval and good first pass. Having a big hitter on the right side just to have one because our other right hand shot defenders dont is just silly. I will agree his defense isnt top notch but that also isnt a huge issue if he is playing with Brodin who can cover for what he lacks quite easily.
These things might be true, I bet the team will want to see some of that actually play out on the ice at the NHL level before putting all of their eggs in that basket though. Brodin as a cover up for defensive issues isn't something that worked out well in the past though and why Dumba needed to develop his own defensive game so much to make it work. In the playoffs, it appears to me to be better to have a full shutdown pairing available, something we have lacked when we needed to stop the top tier line combos.
 

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These things might be true, I bet the team will want to see some of that actually play out on the ice at the NHL level before putting all of their eggs in that basket though. Brodin as a cover up for defensive issues isn't something that worked out well in the past though and why Dumba needed to develop his own defensive game so much to make it work. In the playoffs, it appears to me to be better to have a full shutdown pairing available, something we have lacked when we needed to stop the top tier line combos.
A full shutdown pair can be a very good transition pair though. It does not need to be physically imposing. It is just as annoying to always cross the offensive blue line and have the defenseman glued to you or stick always in the way and if you make the slightest mistake boom its the other way in a hurry. Yeah getting leveled hurts and sucks but it also takes that defender out of the play and in an odd man rush that can leave the puck freely for a 1 on 0 or 2 on 1 for easier scoring chance. I love big hits and I do want more physicality on our team but I dont feel the need to make a shutdown pair that requires hitting if they can properly defend and transition quickly.
 

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Some tidbits from Russo's live room thing.

- Found out this morning that Nino fired his agent yesterday and hired Walsh. Sounds like he may have overdone it with his ask so the Canes moved on and acquired Pacioretty.
- Didn't get the impression that they've ever been interested in Dylan Strome or Sonny Milano. Could have time for Sam Steel.
- Thinks Dumba would have to be willing to take ~$4.5m on an extension to stay in Minnesota. Also sounds like Guerin's still tentatively shopping him around to gauge interest.
- Other guys that could move if space is needed are Kulikov or Jost.
- The Wild did make a call to Derek Stepan, though it doesn't sound like the interest is all that strong. Just gauging options, I guess.
- Sounds like the team does like Puljujarvi's game overall, though no idea if they'd actually want to trade for him
 

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Some tidbits from Russo's live room thing.

- Found out this morning that Nino fired his agent yesterday and hired Walsh. Sounds like he may have overdone it with his ask so the Canes moved on and acquired Pacioretty.
- Didn't get the impression that they've ever been interested in Dylan Strome or Sonny Milano. Could have time for Sam Steel.
- Thinks Dumba would have to be willing to take ~$4.5m on an extension to stay in Minnesota. Also sounds like Guerin's still tentatively shopping him around to gauge interest.
- Other guys that could move if space is needed are Kulikov or Jost.
- The Wild did make a call to Derek Stepan, though it doesn't sound like the interest is all that strong. Just gauging options, I guess.
- Sounds like the team does like Puljujarvi's game overall, though no idea if they'd actually want to trade for him
Has also been told by "multiple sources" that the year Nylander held out Dubas offered Nylander straight up for Dumba, and Fenton said no.

Thinks Toronto still could have interest in Dumba.
 

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A full shutdown pair can be a very good transition pair though. It does not need to be physically imposing. It is just as annoying to always cross the offensive blue line and have the defenseman glued to you or stick always in the way and if you make the slightest mistake boom its the other way in a hurry. Yeah getting leveled hurts and sucks but it also takes that defender out of the play and in an odd man rush that can leave the puck freely for a 1 on 0 or 2 on 1 for easier scoring chance. I love big hits and I do want more physicality on our team but I dont feel the need to make a shutdown pair that requires hitting if they can properly defend and transition quickly.
I meant physicality in the sense of being able to control the net front and win board battles and such through body positioning, I also could care less about big hits. I personally see a developed Faber as more likely to make a top pair with Brodin than Addison in the long term. I see Addison's future role on this team as more of a elevated 3rd pair and PP specialist role if he pans out. 15ish minutes and top PP time.

This year:

Brodin - Dumba
Middleton - Spurgeon
Goligoski/Merril - Addison/Kulikov (will be lots of rotations in this cast)

Next year with Dumba would be the same in essence, maybe a LD prospect gets split time.

Future without Dumba"

Brodin - Faber
Middleton/LHD - Spurgeon (Middleton next year, likely start a LHD prospect with Spurgeon in following years)
LHD - Addison
 

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I feel like we're sitting on the outside, watching the party.

Is Wild's current roster good enough to make the playoffs? Next season will be interesting.
 

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I meant physicality in the sense of being able to control the net front and win board battles and such through body positioning, I also could care less about big hits. I personally see a developed Faber as more likely to make a top pair with Brodin than Addison in the long term. I see Addison's future role on this team as more of a elevated 3rd pair and PP specialist role if he pans out. 15ish minutes and top PP time.

This year:

Brodin - Dumba
Middleton - Spurgeon
Goligoski/Merril - Addison/Kulikov (will be lots of rotations in this cast)

Next year with Dumba would be the same in essence, maybe a LD prospect gets split time.

Future without Dumba"

Brodin - Faber
Middleton/LHD - Spurgeon (Middleton next year, likely start a LHD prospect with Spurgeon in following years)
LHD - Addison
oh i fully wish in 2-3 years to have brodin - faber and middleton - addison as a top 4 with dumba and spurgeon being traded. just as for this season i think addison can fill dumbas role good enough and we look back at it again next season. he needs time to grow in the nhl. he got his toes wet, not cannon ball in and see if he lasts.
 

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Being extremely generous to your cause, say deleting Fiala costs 5 wins to the team, without a replacement. that's 10 points, and oh no, we are still a 103 point team. Even if you attribute 10 wins solely to Fiala (LOL) and give 0 to a replacement player, that still puts us right in the middle of the playoff hunt. Kaprizov got better and better as the season went on and the guys that we hoped would grow their games, all did last year with obvious potential to continue to grow their games. JEE is a monster and so is that whole line, all three were severely injured in the playoffs and still were the most dangerous line some games.

Teams have keyed hard on that line since it was formed, we also key in on other teams top lines with GREEF, meaning we already have two lines that are going to be winning their matchups most nights that take up a majority of the minutes. The remaining lines can break even or even lose their matchups and we are still more likely to win the games, but I personally think those lines will continue to bring a lot to the table like they did last year.

Goaltending was extremely mediocre already last year, any change at the position has potential to be better without a lot of downside risk, as replacement level is already an improvement performance wise.

Implosion as a base case is ludicrous, off season gang is out in full force currently, remember the doom and gloom over the last two off seasons followed by record breaking seasons?

You have Hartman as your 1C - Rossi as your 2C with Boldy and someone not named Fiala who lets be fair, created the majority of offense for that line. Ek and the worse Gaudreau. This team over-performed last year, and it was proven in the playoff's. The Blues lost 2 games, made a matchup adjustment and dominated the remainder.

I hope some guys can take their game further - but those guys arent Hartman or Gaudreau...they just dont have the talent. My prediction - this team was a worse version of the 2020 - 21 Canadiens and regresses hard. Hope I'm wrong.
 

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You have Hartman as your 1C - Rossi as your 2C with Boldy and someone not named Fiala who lets be fair, created the majority of offense for that line. Ek and the worse Gaudreau. This team over-performed last year, and it was proven in the playoff's. The Blues lost 2 games, made a matchup adjustment and dominated the remainder.

I hope some guys can take their game further - but those guys arent Hartman or Gaudreau...they just dont have the talent. My prediction - this team was a worse version of the 2020 - 21 Canadiens and regresses hard. Hope I'm wrong.
id happily take the canadiens regress and get 1oa. make some tweaks and be competitive right after.
 

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Some tidbits from Russo's live room thing.

- Found out this morning that Nino fired his agent yesterday and hired Walsh. Sounds like he may have overdone it with his ask so the Canes moved on and acquired Pacioretty.
- Didn't get the impression that they've ever been interested in Dylan Strome or Sonny Milano. Could have time for Sam Steel.
- Thinks Dumba would have to be willing to take ~$4.5m on an extension to stay in Minnesota. Also sounds like Guerin's still tentatively shopping him around to gauge interest.
- Other guys that could move if space is needed are Kulikov or Jost.
- The Wild did make a call to Derek Stepan, though it doesn't sound like the interest is all that strong. Just gauging options, I guess.
- Sounds like the team does like Puljujarvi's game overall, though no idea if they'd actually want to trade for him
Trade Dumba for a 1st or quality prospect during the season when a contender runs into injury or depth issues. Bring him back in the summer at a discount. I'd be impressed.
 

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Trade Dumba for a 1st or quality prospect during the season when a contender runs into injury or depth issues. Bring him back in the summer at a discount. I'd be impressed.
Is there a rule now allowing that? There has been that option for teams for many years but i cant recall that happening even once.
 

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Is there a rule now allowing that? There has been that option for teams for many years but i cant recall that happening even once.
A team trading an expiring UFA at the deadline then that player signing back with the original team in free agency? Happens often enough. Happened when the Wild traded for Moulson then he returned to Buffalo in July.
 

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So the trade deadline is the Dumba decision deadline
If we are even close to being in the playoffs then Guerin won't trade Dumba at the TDL unless Addison or some other ELC guy (ROR?) is already logging regular NHL minutes.
 

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If we are even close to being in the playoffs then Guerin won't trade Dumba at the TDL unless Addison or some other ELC guy (ROR?) is already logging regular NHL minutes.
I agree, though we were in a similar situation with Zucker and he still pulled the trigger.
 

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Norris 1st season: 51 points per 82 games
Norris 2nd season: 68 points per 82 games
Signs 8 x $8M
Boldy 1st season: 68 points per 82 games
 

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Norris 1st season: 51 points per 82 games
Norris 2nd season: 68 points per 82 games
Signs 8 x $8M
Boldy 1st season: 68 points per 82 games

Gonna probably depend on how he does this season, but 8x8ish would be good for us in the long run, especially if the cap jumps to 90M in the next few years.
 
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Norris 1st season: 51 points per 82 games
Norris 2nd season: 68 points per 82 games
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Boldy 1st season: 68 points per 82 games
Norris went from a 25 goal pace to a 43 goal pace. Boldy paced 26 goals. I’ll be shocked if he has a similar jump while losing a ppg line mate.


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So are we trading a 2nd round pick for Pulj or what? In a roundabout way it would be like trading McBain for Pulj.
 

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So are we trading a 2nd round pick for Pulj or what? In a roundabout way it would be like trading McBain for Pulj.

I wouldn't. Don't like his game, don't think he's that good. 40 point player next to McDavid. He's got the physical tools but he always seems a step behind in the IQ department.
 

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I wouldn't. Don't like his game, don't think he's that good. 40 point player next to McDavid. He's got the physical tools but he always seems a step behind in the IQ department.
Maybe, but could also be that his style doesn’t mesh with McDavid. I imagine Greenway playing with Kaprizov would be similar. Think he could be the final player on one hell of an interesting 2nd line (Boldy-Rossi-Pulj).
 

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Maybe, but could also be that his style doesn’t mesh with McDavid. I imagine Greenway playing with Kaprizov would be similar. Think he could be the final player on one hell of an interesting 2nd line (Boldy-Rossi-Pulj).

I was just thinking

Dumba for Puljujarvi+1st?

They bolster their defense, we get the young forward and a 1st for our re-tool.

Kaprizov-Hartman-Zuccarello
Foligno-Eriksson Ek-Greenway
Boldy-Jost-Puljujarvi
Dewar-Gaudreau-Duhaime
13th F

Brodin-Goligoski
Middleton-Spurgeon
Kulikov-Addison
Merrill

The 13th forward can either be Rossi and then you can make adjustments up the lineup accordingly, or if Rossi isn't ready, put Shaw there (or whoever else makes the jump in camp).

We also clear a little bit of cap space. In my scenario I give Puljujarvi something like 3x$3ish, maybe 2x$3ish. Gives him a chance to see if he gels with the team, and allows for a bigger extension when some of our cap issues go away.

E: I'm not sure Edmonton could fit Dumba's entire 6M, so we could retain a bit or take back a contract. Don't think they have any bad contracts for one year, so maybe we retain 2M for an extra mid round pick?
 
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Dylan Strome signs with the Capitals, 1yr 3.5M.
 

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I was just thinking

Dumba for Puljujarvi+1st?

They bolster their defense, we get the young forward and a 1st for our re-tool.

Kaprizov-Hartman-Zuccarello
Foligno-Eriksson Ek-Greenway
Boldy-Jost-Puljujarvi
Dewar-Gaudreau-Duhaime
13th F

Brodin-Goligoski
Middleton-Spurgeon
Kulikov-Addison
Merrill

The 13th forward can either be Rossi and then you can make adjustments up the lineup accordingly, or if Rossi isn't ready, put Shaw there (or whoever else makes the jump in camp).

We also clear a little bit of cap space. In my scenario I give Puljujarvi something like 3x$3ish, maybe 2x$3ish. Gives him a chance to see if he gels with the team, and allows for a bigger extension when some of our cap issues go away.

E: I'm not sure Edmonton could fit Dumba's entire 6M, so we could retain a bit or take back a contract. Don't think they have any bad contracts for one year, so maybe we retain 2M for an extra mid round pick?
Not terrible. I wouldn’t mind putting him next to Ek though and looking to trade Foligno or greenway or bump them around the lineup.
 

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I feel like we're sitting on the outside, watching the party.

Is Wild's current roster good enough to make the playoffs? Next season will be interesting.
It may not be good enough, but this is what Free Agency will continue to look like while we're in cap hell.
 

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Trade deadline is probably the least likely day that he would be traded, it is too big of a hole to blow into the D to not acquire a replacement via trade or signing. Off season or early season is when the play would make sense, but most likely he finishes the season with a Wild logo on his sweater. Give a full season to the prospects to develop, re-asses performance of the D and Dumba, and go from there.

At this point in time, I would be fine with signing Dumba to anything less than 6.5MM and would not include a NMC, term is whatever if its tradeable. I would also be perfectly fine letting him walk in the offseason if it comes to that. His trade value in futures is like a mid to late 2nd if you can find the right team, and that doesn't move the needle for me when considering the value of having him finish the year, or the drama created by a trade causing negativity during the process.

That does all go out the window if someone like Addison or Faber suddenly make the jump and force the issue through great play, but there is already going to be room for Addison to get some experience being eased into the lineup, and I don't think Faber leaves the Gophers until the season is complete.

In the unlikely event of an implosion season, it would still be better to trade Dumba earlier than the deadline, before poor performance tanks the value more.
Addison will not play in the top 4 until he gets better in his own end. Faber has the highest ceiling of any of the Wild's D-men prospects including Lambos. Gotta try to keep Dumba for the time being.
 
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