Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[Dr Jan Itor]

How to get to that right price is near impossible seems to me. They'd have to retain half for next season. Greenway would obviously have to go the other way. What other pieces would they require to retain half when they are in their own cap crunch.

Seems impossible.

Or somewhere else.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Boeser is constantly injured, overpaid and has yet to crack 30 goals. Why again did the Wild trade Fiala and now looking at a worse version of him? Is it one of us thing?

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

How to get to that right price is near impossible seems to me. They'd have to retain half for next season. Greenway would obviously have to go the other way. What other pieces would they require to retain half when they are in their own cap crunch.

Seems impossible.



The only way it works is if they retain half (and we likely pay dearly for it). So Boeser at 3.25 and Fiala at 8 are apples and oranges.

I don’t think they’d have to retain half, but they’d have to be creative.

 

[AKL]

I don’t think they’d have to retain half, but they’d have to be creative.

If they send Greenway and Addison the other way, they probably don't have to be all that creative.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

If they send Greenway and Addison the other way, they probably don't have to be all that creative.

I more meant creative in rostering capable NHL players further down the lineup. They’d have to sign some value deals in the offseason. But, I guess if you’re assuming that Faber and Rossi can play next year it’s not all too hard to wrap your head around.

 

[BagHead]

Boeser is constantly injured, overpaid and has yet to crack 30 goals. Why again did the Wild trade Fiala and now looking at a worse version of him? Is it one of us thing?

Wow, he really hasn't, has he? I thought he'd done so for multiple years, the way he's talked about. His stat line compares pretty fairly with Jason Zucker's. Whatever that's worth.

 

[AKL]

I more meant creative in rostering capable NHL players further down the lineup. They’d have to sign some value deals in the offseason. But, I guess if you’re assuming that Faber and Rossi can play next year it’s not all too hard to wrap your head around.

I don't have the numbers handy, but I'm assuming everyone else is assuming that Rossi and Faber have full time roles next year, in which case you'd just need to sign cheap 6/7 D's and 11/12/13 F's.

 

[Wasted Talent]

Here we go

Guerin tried to fit McDonagh at 6,75mil in the same offseason where he decided we can't afford Fiala? Am I reading that right?

 

[Digitalbooya]

Guerin tried to fit McDonagh at 6,75mil in the same offseason where he decided we can't afford Fiala? Am I reading that right?

You are, in fact, reading that right… I don’t know what to say to that.

 

[AKL]

Guerin tried to fit McDonagh at 6,75mil in the same offseason where he decided we can't afford Fiala? Am I reading that right?

One thing I actually like about Guerin is that he always seems to be involved in conversations, even if they aren't likely.

But the Fiala thing was never truly about the money. It's well established that we could have made it work with the money, they just didn't want to.

Assuming the same thing here and with McDonagh. They can move pieces around to make guys like Boeser fit. The question just becomes "is it worth it to do so". With Fiala they felt it wasn't for some reason. I don't think it is for Boeser, but we'll see what they decide.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Anybody else find it weird that the agent is naming Minnesota names in the sense of us "trying to move things around", or is that just me?

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Anybody else find it weird that the agent is naming Minnesota names in the sense of us "trying to move things around", or is that just me?

Not just you.

 

[AKL]

Anybody else find it weird that the agent is naming Minnesota names in the sense of us "trying to move things around", or is that just me?

Are you referring to where he talks about Greenway, Dumba and Addison? If so, I don't think it's that weird because all of those guys have already been speculated on by Russo or national media. It would be weird if he started talking anout Foligno, Middleton, Gaudreau... guys that we have no inkling of being shopped to this point.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I don't have the numbers handy, but I'm assuming everyone else is assuming that Rossi and Faber have full time roles next year, in which case you'd just need to sign cheap 6/7 D's and 11/12/13 F's.

Gustavsson is the wild card in where he'll be in salary. I don't think 2.5m is unreasonable if his performance continues and he more or less claims the 1A spot from Fleury.

If that's the case, and the Wild were to trade for Boeser (sending Addison and Greenway the other way) they would have to trade either Foligno or Zuccerello to make it work(along with not trying to resign Gaudreau). Maybe they could make it work sending Middleton away.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Are you referring to where he talks about Greenway, Dumba and Addison? If so, I don't think it's that weird because all of those guys have already been speculated on by Russo or national media. It would be weird if he started talking anout Foligno, Middleton, Gaudreau... guys that we have no inkling of being shopped to this point.

Yeah, I still think that it would be off limits for an agent of another player to say publicly though.

 

[AKL]

Gustavsson is the wild card in where he'll be in salary. I don't think 2.5m is unreasonable if his performance continues and he more or less claims the 1A spot from Fleury.

If that's the case, and the Wild were to trade for Boeser (sending Addison and Greenway the other way) they would have to trade either Foligno or Zuccerello to make it work(along with not trying to resign Gaudreau). Maybe they could make it work sending Middleton away.

What % retention on Boeser are we talking here?

 

[ThatGuy22]

What % retention on Boeser are we talking here?

Thats with zero retention, or atleast not half which is what KaprizovSaveUs was somewhat talking about.

With half they could do it.

 

[AKL]

Thats with zero retention, or atleast not half which is what KaprizovSaveUs was somewhat talking about.

With half they could do it.

I think what I'd realistically expect is retention down to 5M. Less than 5M and he'd actually be a net positive asset. More than 5M and he's still very much negative.

 

[Prior]

The thing that will always be concerning about Boeser in today’s NHL (outside of injuries) is that he’s a below average skater at this level.

For most teams, he’s worth a flier because I think he eventually gets back on track if he has the time over the offseason to work and not spend it on time recovering from injury. He can shoot the puck like few the Wild have ever had and he’s a needed right shot.

The question is can the Wild afford to take a gamble like this and what is the cost with the retention that is needed. They can dump some salary and all that but I would assume there is some pain to retain at the level they would need.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

Boeser is constantly injured, overpaid and has yet to crack 30 goals. Why again did the Wild trade Fiala and now looking at a worse version of him? Is it one of us thing?

Are we seriously still doing this? When can we finally come to the realization either Fiala or GMBG didn’t want it or maybe both didn’t. It was never about “affording” him.

 

[keppel146]

I’d take a chance on Boeser too for the right price. It’s not like half our roster is better than him anyway, we suck people.

 

[Sota Popinski]

I'll keep the lazy comparison going as long as it fits, but McDonagh had 18 points in 43 games in his 3rd college year.

And even as a 12th overall pick didn't step right into the NHL. His season as a Badger ended and then he was done for the year. Then he played half a season in the AHL before cracking an NHL roster.

People are acting like Faber is gonna be a top 4 D on the Wild the day after the Gophers season ends. I highly doubt it.

 

[Minnewildsota]

I’d take a chance on Boeser too for the right price. It’s not like half our roster is better than him anyway, we suck people.

I disagree. I have never sucked people.

 

[AKL]

Kaprizov-Rossi-Zuccarello
Boldy-Ek-Boeser@5M
Foligno-Hartman-Duhaime@1M
?-Dewar-?

Brodin-Faber @ 0.9M
Middleton-Spurgeon
Merrill-?

Gus @ 2.5M
Fleury

Leaves about 5M to fill in the question marks + 7th D +13th F. It's technically very possible. Traded Greenway+Addison for Boeser and Goligoski at the deadline to whoever. Just relies heavily on Rossi and Faber being full time players for real, and finding guys under 1M to fill those gaps.

 

[57special]

Kaprizov-Rossi-Zuccarello
Boldy-Ek-Boeser@5M
Foligno-Hartman-Duhaime@1M
?-Dewar-?

Brodin-Faber @ 0.9M
Middleton-Spurgeon
Merrill-?

Gus @ 4.5M
Fleury

Leaves about 5M to fill in the question marks + 7th D +13th F. It's technically very possible. Traded Greenway+Addison for Boeser and Goligoski at the deadline to whoever. Just relies heavily on Rossi and Faber being full time players for real, and finding guys under 1M to fill those gaps.

It’s risky, but can we pay Gus a lesser amount for one year, then reward him the year after when MAF is gone, to be replaced by Wall at ELC rates, and the cap,is likely to go up a bit? Foligno’s cap hit would also be gone, and hopefully guys like Beckman, Yurov, Marat, and Ohgren start filtering into the lineup, all at ELC rates.