Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[TaLoN]

What do you think this is? NHL ‘22?

How about NHL '23?

 

[Minnewildsota]

How about NHL '23?

Nah. That game is too buggy

 

[Bdub]

What do you think this is? NHL ‘22?

Lol yep!

 

[MNRube]

this team has Foligno, Greenway, Gaudreau, Dewar, Shaw, Walker, Steel, Hartman, Reaves to provide any kind of role player or bottom 6 role we need. We need skilled forwards if we don’t want to get smoked in the playoffs

 

[57special]

this team has Foligno, Greenway, Gaudreau, Dewar, Shaw, Walker, Steel, Hartman, Reaves to provide any kind of role player or bottom 6 role we need. We need skilled forwards if we don’t want to get smoked in the playoffs

try telling Guerin and Dean that. They seem to think that scoring goals is all about "going to the net", and "shooting more". There is a certain truth to that, but in general, they seem to think that skilled players are annoyances that can't fight.

 

[MNRube]

try telling Guerin and Dean that. They seem to think that scoring goals is all about "going to the net", and "shooting more". There is a certain truth to that, but in general, they seem to think that skilled players are annoyances that can't fight.

I’m hoping that they thought Rossi would be ready, because this current roster is clearly lacking the scoring needed to go on a run. They need to add someone or go all in on being a defensive stalwart. West won’t be this wide open often

 

[MuckOG]

Russo was on KFAN yesterday afternoon talking about Dumba. Said that the Wild aren't finding any takers for him. Literally zero interest. Things can obviously change as we get closer to the TDL, but right now there isn't a market for him.

I stand by my prediction that Dumba won't be moved and will just walk as an UFA this summer because he provides more value to the team for this postseason than the scraps he might fetch in a trade.

 

[57special]

I’m hoping that they thought Rossi would be ready, because this current roster is clearly lacking the scoring needed to go on a run. They need to add someone or go all in on being a defensive stalwart. West won’t be this wide open often

that's part of it.

Keeping Rossi down is a good idea, IMO. The only guy who I think that they should give another chance to is Walker, who has enough speed and skill to evade even NHL checkers. There is no doubt that he could be stronger, but he is stronger than Rossi and Petan. Petan and Fogarty look vg, but both have proven in the past that they lack the strength, and/or speed to be effective in the NHL. Beckman...meh. He's like a poor man's Walker, at this point.

If Hartman was playing anything like he was last year then there's no way you sub him off for Walker, but it seems like every other game he is either making a turnover leading to a GA, or taking a penalty. And Dean insists on playing Reaves, who has been better than i thought he would be, but is really slow, doesn't have any hands, and doesn't fight. I get giving him the odd game, especially against select opponents, but every game? Even Reaves is surprised, i'll bet. And they won't f***ing shut up about his "swagger".

 

[AKL]

I’m hoping that they thought Rossi would be ready, because this current roster is clearly lacking the scoring needed to go on a run. They need to add someone or go all in on being a defensive stalwart. West won’t be this wide open often

I dont't understand this sentiment. We are seventh in the West right now, and the team can't decide whether it wants to be good or bad most nights. The West being "wide open" doesn't mean we're one of the teams poised to win it. It is okay to save your assets when you're not good enough, and we are not good enough.

 

[57special]

Russo was on KFAN yesterday afternoon talking about Dumba. Said that the Wild aren't finding any takers for Dumba. Things can obviously change as we get closer to the TDL, but right now there isn't a market for him.

I stand by my prediction that Dumba won't be moved and will just walk as an UFA this summer because he provides more value to the team for this postseason than the scraps he might fetch in a trade.

So, GM's are seeing the same mistakes, poor decisions, and inability to fix them that we are. Except, Guerin and Dean, of course, who gave him a letter.

 

[MuckOG]

So, GM's are seeing the same mistakes, poor decisions, and inability to fix them that we are. Except, Guerin and Dean, of course, who gave him a letter.

Pretty much. Although it appears that Evason is starting to see these mistakes as evidenced in his benching last night.

 

[AKL]

I really doubt there's zero interest in Dumba. I think there's zero interest for the price Guerin wants for him. There is a difference.

I thought I saw a quote the other day with Guerin more or less saying if teams want Dumba they have to make it make sense for the Wild. That would seemingly support the idea that there is interest, just not to the extent of paying what Guerin wants.

What Guerin is asking for is gonna determine whether that's good or bad, and we don't know what he's askin for. It does give credence to the idea that Guerin could be overvaluing Dumba though.

 

[Bazeek]

I really doubt there's zero interest in Dumba. I think there's zero interest for the price Guerin wants for him. There is a difference.

I thought I saw a quote the other day with Guerin more or less saying if teams want Dumba they have to make it make sense for the Wild. That would seemingly support the idea that there is interest, just not to the extent of paying what Guerin wants.

What Guerin is asking for is gonna determine whether that's good or bad, and we don't know what he's askin for. It does give credence to the idea that Guerin could be overvaluing Dumba though.

Or refusing to retain salary.

 

[AKL]

Or refusing to retain salary.

I'd like to believe that if Guerin is getting the type of return he's looking for, him refusing to retain salary on an expiring contract isn't what's holding it up. I would really like to believe that. Especially with how much cap space we already have this season.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I can't imagine why a GM would care about retaining salary for the remainder of a current season.

Seems much more of an ownership issue.

 

[Bazeek]

I'd like to believe that if Guerin is getting the type of return he's looking for, him refusing to retain salary on an expiring contract isn't what's holding it up. I would really like to believe that. Especially with how much cap space we already have this season.

I can't imagine why a GM would care about retaining salary for the remainder of a current season.

Seems much more of an ownership issue.

If they were straight sellers it'd be an easy decision. But if they're looking at trading Dumba as a way to make space to bring in someone else, that probably changes the calculus a lot.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If they were straight sellers it'd be an easy decision. But if they're looking at trading Dumba as a way to make space to bring in someone else, that probably changes the calculus a lot.

I guess, but if I'm ready Cap Friendly correct, we'd have room to bring in an $8M player right now. Retaining 50% on Dumba would increase that up to $11M. So I guess it makes sense if he doesn't want to be out of the McDavid running?

Or I could be reading that totally wrong.

 

[AKL]

If they were straight sellers it'd be an easy decision. But if they're looking at trading Dumba as a way to make space to bring in someone else, that probably changes the calculus a lot.

Right, I understand the logic to an extent, but even if we retain 50%, we're still dumping the other 50% for cap space. And CapFriendly has us at 8.2M in space right now. I can't imagine we're going to need all of that PLUS Dumba's full cap for whatever we end up doing.

 

[Bazeek]

I guess, but if I'm ready Cap Friendly correct, we'd have room to bring in an $8M player right now. Retaining 50% on Dumba would increase that up to $11M. So I guess it makes sense if he doesn't want to be out of the McDavid running?

Or I could be reading that totally wrong.

I haven't looked at the cap numbers at all, so that'd be a good point. Especially if they're looking at replacing Dumba with Schenn for the rest of this season. Can't imagine what they'd need that much space for, even after retaining 50% on Dumba.

Right, I understand the logic to an extent, but even if we retain 50%, we're still dumping the other 50% for cap space. And CapFriendly has us at 8.2M in space right now. I can't imagine we're going to need all of that PLUS Dumba's full cap for whatever we end up doing.

Ditto. I guess there could always be reluctance to retain from ownership, but Leipold has never seemed super squeamish about that if there's a reason for it

Still, whatever one's thoughts on Dumba are he can play lots of minutes and isn't shy physically. That kind of player at $3m isn't usually a hard sell at the deadline.

 

[AKL]

Still, whatever one's thoughts on Dumba are he can play lots of minutes and isn't shy physically. That kind of player at $3m isn't usually a hard sell at the deadline.

Yeah, this is why I'm pretty sure what's really happening is Guerin is asking for more than other teams are willing to give up. But without knowing what he's asking for and what other teams are willing to give up, it's impossible to say whether Guerin is right or wrong here.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Preparing myself for Guerin to move Rossi in a package for Horvat.

 

[AKL]

So they'll run the same lineup again next game, meaning no Dumba.

One scratch is a performance issue. A second scratch where the team looked awful but they're running the same lineup? Suspicious.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

"Hey Matt, do you have a minute? Bring your play book."

 

[Soldier13Fox]

So they'll run the same lineup again next game, meaning no Dumba.

One scratch is a performance issue. A second scratch where the team looked awful but they're running the same lineup? Suspicious.

Highly suspicious

 

[Captain Whiskers]

There also is the school of thought that says maybe, the Wild are trying to see if there is a possibility of a futures only trade. Doesn't make a lot of sense considering the cap space they have, but if they are trotting out the D-corps without Dumba for a few games to see. Perhaps they are seeing if they can get through the year with what they have.