Trade and Free Agency Discussion Thread - Don't Expect More Augmenting

[Mickey Marner]

How does that work exactly?

The 81.5 million cap ceiling is the budget for the whole season and cap space is calculated daily. Every day you come in under budget, that amount accrues and can be spent later. So, if you're 10k under budget for 100 days, you have an extra 1 million to spend. Player contracts are paid out per day, so if you trade for a player halfway through the season, you only need to afford the half that hasn't been paid.

 

[Nooodles]

The 81.5 million cap ceiling is the budget for the whole season and cap space is calculated daily. Every day you come in under budget, that amount accrues and can be spent later. So, if you're 10k under budget for 100 days, you have an extra 1 million to spend. Player contracts are paid out per day, so if you trade for a player halfway through the season, you only need to afford the half that hasn't been paid.

Thanks!
I've read about this before but I aways forgot how this works exactly.

 

[justashadowof]

Adding size and grit will help but at the end of the day you also gotta have heart.

In 2000 through 2004, they had the heart but it was aged and it couldn't maintain it for a full playoffs. The big talent on this team is mostly young and healthy. Now is the time. It won't be easier in 5 years for most of them.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Cap hell! Dubas ruined the team! Glasses!

glasses bad

 

[WTFMAN99]

I liked our off-season. In a perfect world we add another top 4 RHD but maybe that can be done during the season or trade deadline.

 

[nuck]

I liked our off-season. In a perfect world we add another top 4 RHD but maybe that can be done during the season or trade deadline.

Yeah its seems a little incomplete but what we have now is only the players that may start the season, not the ones they will necessarily have at playoff time. Any player on an expiring deal who might help them becomes more affordable as the season goes, and whos current clubs may become less attached to. I still dont think they have moved enough cap out but that can still happen.

 

[Legion34]

What’s interesting to me is that dubas talks about dermott being here long term.

if that’s the case. He has to be protecting him in expansion.

that would either leave one of rielly. Muzz. Brodie. Unprotected

or kerfoot/Anderson/engvall

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

What’s interesting to me is that dubas talks about dermott being here long term.

if that’s the case. He has to be protecting him in expansion.

that would either leave one of rielly. Muzz. Brodie. Unprotected

or kerfoot/Anderson/engvall

We probably go the 8 skater route. Potentially lose one of Kerfoot or Holl (or Hyman/Andersen as UFA for Seattle in its place). but we have Robertson/Sandin/Liljegren jumping in full time after next season anyways.

 

[Magic Man]

The Leafs are at the cap thresthold with a 21 man roster.

Hyman - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Thornton - Simmonds
Vesey - Engvall - Spezza

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Dermott - Bogosian
ex. Lehtonen

Andersen
Campbell

To make other moves cap space has to be gained by moving some of the players above. The idea of the top-4 RD to go with Muzzin is the most obvious. Someone better than Holl. The most talked about move was Weegar on defense, if they do make a trade, that one still makes the most sense, he has an arbitration case coming up. Similar to the rejected Johnsson and Dermott trade. The Leafs would have to move out Kerfoot and Holl to make Weegar possible in the trade. If they made that swap they would have extra cap space for a forward to replace Kerfoot's production, the Leafs have been linked to Perry, he has stated that he wants to play here, that still makes the most sense if everything came together. Another option soley for that Holl spot on defense is moving Holl for cap space and picks/prospects and then signing Hamonic to a similar contract to Holl's, they could get him at a discount rate because of the hard cap and upgrade the position.

Other than those two ideas I think they are down to depth signings for the Marlies and PTO's. They still have some contract room, not that you have to use them all.

 

[Fogelhund]

What’s interesting to me is that dubas talks about dermott being here long term.

if that’s the case. He has to be protecting him in expansion.

that would either leave one of rielly. Muzz. Brodie. Unprotected

or kerfoot/Anderson/engvall

I think how the players progress, or not, determines that one for us. Surely Rielly, Muzz and Brodie are protected.... this season determines which of Dermott, Kerfoot, Anderson or Engvall are the most valuable to us. It's really up to them, to make it an easy decision (or maybe even hard) for Dubas.

 

[LeafParade]

I think how the players progress, or not, determines that one for us. Surely Rielly, Muzz and Brodie are protected.... this season determines which of Dermott, Kerfoot, Anderson or Engvall are the most valuable to us. It's really up to them, to make it an easy decision (or maybe even hard) for Dubas.

With the flat cap that may not be the case.
What if Dermott plays like a top 4 but asks for a contract that makes him a bargain?

Dermott: At what AAV do I get a NMC?

Dubas:

 

[Legion34]

I think how the players progress, or not, determines that one for us. Surely Rielly, Muzz and Brodie are protected.... this season determines which of Dermott, Kerfoot, Anderson or Engvall are the most valuable to us. It's really up to them, to make it an easy decision (or maybe even hard) for Dubas.

agreed. But that’s not what he said.

he literally said. Once brodie has come and gone in 4 years the plan is to have dermott take that spot.

it was a very strange quote

 

[Legion34]

With the flat cap that may not be the case.
What if Dermott plays like a top 4 but asks for a contract that makes him a bargain?

Dermott: At what AAV do I get a NMC?

Dubas:

I’m pretty sure he can’t get one until ufa.

Matthews etc werent given one because they couldn’t

 

[VanW27]

With the flat cap that may not be the case.
What if Dermott plays like a top 4 but asks for a contract that makes him a bargain?

Dermott: At what AAV do I get a NMC?

Dubas:

I protect Dermott over Brodie.

I like the Brodie signing but he'll be a 31 year old complimentary player making 5 million.

If he's taken I feel like a comparable replacement will be available for that price, or maybe Dermott/Lehtonen/Sandin/Liljigren can handle it by then.

 

[justashadowof]

I guess it's not impossible but if Brodie's a complimentary player not worth protecting in the expansion draft, I can't think of a Leafs' fan who wouldn't be hugely disappointed in Brodie.

 

[justashadowof]

I’m pretty sure he can’t get one until ufa.

Matthews etc werent given one because they couldn’t

That's correct and I just checked, Matthews has a NMC on the final year of his contract and Marner his final 2 years. That's because those years were UFA years.

 

[VanW27]

I guess it's not impossible but if Brodie's a complimentary player not worth protecting in the expansion draft, I can't think of a Leafs' fan who wouldn't be hugely disappointed in Brodie.

I mean you can only protect 9 skaters, some very good players will be exposed. That's just the reality of the process.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I think how the players progress, or not, determines that one for us. Surely Rielly, Muzz and Brodie are protected.... this season determines which of Dermott, Kerfoot, Anderson or Engvall are the most valuable to us. It's really up to them, to make it an easy decision (or maybe even hard) for Dubas.

I would not count on Brodie getting protected necessarily. He signed a very backloaded deal that may not be overly enticing to a new team like Seattle. Brodie averages almost 6 mill in salary over the last three years of his deal. 1) If they want to move Brodie, it may be tough to find teams willing to trade much for him at that price given he will be 31 at the start of next year and will make 7.5 mill when he is 33. 2) If they want to keep him, do they want a guy making as much as him?

Dermott would probably be a lot more valuable and enticing to a team like Seattle, as he would a team like the Leafs who are competing but also need cheap talent on their roster.

Another option the Leafs may consider is making a trade with Seattle. Probably would not cost more than a mid-tier prospect who is buried in our system to convince them to take Holl/Engvall over a guy like Kerfoot if we choose to do so. Unlike Vegas, they may struggle to get futures from other teams this time around so they may be willing to take a decent buried prospect or two in that kind of deal, and the Leafs probably won't care about losing those kinds of guys since we have an excellent drafting and development system.

 

[stickty111]

Surprised there wasn't much interest from Dubas here.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I would have loved Leivo for that price

 

[I am Canadian]

What’s interesting to me is that dubas talks about dermott being here long term.

if that’s the case. He has to be protecting him in expansion.

that would either leave one of rielly. Muzz. Brodie. Unprotected

or kerfoot/Anderson/engvall

Matthews
Nylander
Marner
Tavares
Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie
Dermott

Campbell

Expose Holl, Kerfoot, Engvall

Every other noteworthy player is exempt, or UFA where we could just re-sign them after expansion draft

 

[nuck]

agreed. But that’s not what he said.

he literally said. Once brodie has come and gone in 4 years the plan is to have dermott take that spot.

it was a very strange quote

I think Brodie has to earn his deal to get protected and show that he is a quality reliable guy same as Dermott has to take another step. Both players could also get lapped by Holl. Long term positivity is the stuff a GM needs to talk about so I don't read much into it. I also don't think it would cost the Leafs a fortune to steer the Kraken to a mutually agreed player (not zero, just not a crazy amount)

 

[Kiwi]

Surprised there wasn't much interest from Dubas here.

We've already moved the guy because we couldn't get him in the lineup consistently, I don't think it does anybody any good putting him in the same situation

I would have loved Leivo for that price

So would I but we've added plenty of bodies up front and we'd run into a bit of a roster jam, a bunch of guys not playing could be a problem as the season progresses

 

[Mickey Marner]

Leivo doesn't really fill a need for us. I'd probably take him over Vesey, but I'd rather employ neither than either.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I would have loved Leivo for that price

Me too