Trade and Free Agency Discussion Thread - Don't Expect More Augmenting

[nuck]

That's correct and I just checked, Matthews has a NMC on the final year of his contract and Marner his final 2 years. That's because those years were UFA years.

That part is huge salt in the wound to me. If you decide your mega investment in a star player isn't working out, essentially because they didn't deliver what you had paid for, the NM at the end gives them all the control with what you can do to change direction as the end of their deal approaches. The one option the club has to mitigate a mistake is given over to player control. The only thing that was withheld from these guys was even more money. The team did not win in any area of the deals they signed.

I honestly hope these players go to sleep at night thinking stressing over the responsibility they have to be among the very best players in the league every night because so far it seems like they should be mailing some paychecks back to the club. The deal was "pay me x because this is what I can do for your team" and then they are 9th and 19th in league scoring. f*** I miss real bonus clauses. I hope that in 22-23 when the Marner and Matthews salaries are a lot easier to live up to they have really done some huge things because the GM at that time isn't cutting them any slack.

 

[Legion34]

That part is huge salt in the wound to me. If you decide your mega investment in a star player isn't working out, essentially because they didn't deliver what you had paid for, the NM at the end gives them all the control with what you can do to change direction as the end of their deal approaches. The one option the club has to mitigate a mistake is given over to player control. The only thing that was withheld from these guys was even more money. The team did not win in any area of the deals they signed.

I honestly hope these players go to sleep at night thinking stressing over the responsibility they have to be among the very best players in the league every night because so far it seems like they should be mailing some paychecks back to the club. The deal was "pay me x because this is what I can do for your team" and then they are 9th and 19th in league scoring. f*** I miss real bonus clauses. I hope that in 22-23 when the Marner and Matthews salaries are a lot easier to live up to they have really done some huge things because the GM at that time is cutting them any slack.

or if you decide that Matthews won’t re sign. You trade him at the draft.

marner is the 2 year one which is tough

 

[KMNRB]

Surprised there wasn't much interest from Dubas here.

I doubt if Leivo would consider signing with the Leafs, given the roster we have now and his memory of being scratched during most of his time here.

 

[The Wall]

thought about this...


trade Nylander, Holl, Kerfoot to Florida for Aaron Ekblad. they then resign Weegar


Then with the savings from that trade we sign Mike Hoffman to a 1 year deal at like 3,500,000. If he doesnt go for that prove it contract you can also sign Anthony Duclair at a 3 year deal at 3 per. you get a top 5 d core in the NHL while not losing too many goals.

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,634,000 C UFA - 4	Marner, Mitchell $10,893,000 RW UFA - 5
Mikheyev, Ilya $1,645,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000 C NMC UFA - 5	Hoffman, Mike $3,700,000 RW, LW UFA
Robertson, Nicholas $821,667 LW RFA - 3	Thornton, Joe $700,000 C NMC UFA - 1	Simmonds, Wayne $1,500,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 1
Vesey, Jimmy $900,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Spezza, Jason $700,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Barabanov, Alexander $925,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Boyd, Travis $700,000 C, RW UFA - 1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Ekblad, Aaron $7,500,000 RD UFA - 5	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000 G UFA - 2
Lehtonen, Mikko $925,000 LD UFA - 1	Bogosian, Zach $1,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis $874,125 LD RFA - 1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Anyone know what team, if any, owns Soshnikov's rights?

I know he always had trouble staying healthy, but he seems like an ideal fit for a bottom 6 role with us more so than Barabanov.

He's a great skater, plays with grit, loves to hit and forecheck, and gets back on defense. He plays both wings while Barabanov only plays right. He's also only a year older and put up better numbers in the KHL last year (26g + 48 points to 11g + 20 points).

Put him and Anderson on each wing of a decent center and they'll cause some havok on the forecheck.

 

[613Leafer]

thought about this...

trade Nylander, Holl, Kerfoot to Florida for Aaron Ekblad. they then resign Weegar

They have Barkov and Huberdeau to build around up front, if they move Ekblad, their blueline would be pretty bad with zero potential #1 dman on the team or in the system.

I want Ekblad as much as the next person, but it just makes zero sense from Florida's perspective.

 

[justashadowof]

I mean you can only protect 9 skaters, some very good players will be exposed. That's just the reality of the process.

If Brodie is what he's supposed to be, I'd certainly expose Kerfoot, Engvall, a UFA-destined Hyman and Dermott over him.

 

[VanW27]

If Brodie is what he's supposed to be, I'd certainly expose Kerfoot, Engvall, a UFA-destined Hyman and Dermott over him.

If you go 6-3-1 you protect:
Matthews
Taveras
Marner
Nylander
Mikheyev
Kerfoot (Hyman if he's extended)

Rielly
Muzzin
1 of: Brodie/Dermott/Holl

You likely lose the Dman exposed.

Protect 8 skaters you likely lose Mikheyev or Hyman.

 

[Legion34]

If you go 6-3-1 you protect:
Matthews
Taveras
Marner
Nylander
Mikheyev
Kerfoot (Hyman if he's extended)

Rielly
Muzzin
1 of: Brodie/Dermott/Holl

You likely lose the Dman exposed.

Protect 8 skaters you likely lose Mikheyev or Hyman.

its 7-3-1
And miky is exempt from the draft.

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

If you go 6-3-1 you protect:
Matthews
Taveras
Marner
Nylander
Mikheyev
Kerfoot (Hyman if he's extended)

Rielly
Muzzin
1 of: Brodie/Dermott/Holl

You likely lose the Dman exposed.

Protect 8 skaters you likely lose Mikheyev or Hyman.

The choies are 7-3-1 or 8-1, so you can protect one more forward. Hyman will not be re-signed until after the expansion draft, essentially giving him immunity. (Seattle have a period where they can sign a pending UFA, but they are unlikely to take advantage and Hyman is unlikely to sign there even if they tried.)

Based on the current roster, they lose one of Mikheyev or Kerfoot if they protect 4D.

 

[Leaffan1991]

its 7-3-1
And miky is exempt from the draft.

Is this true?

 

[justashadowof]

If you go 6-3-1 you protect:
Matthews
Taveras
Marner
Nylander
Mikheyev
Kerfoot (Hyman if he's extended)

Rielly
Muzzin
1 of: Brodie/Dermott/Holl

You likely lose the Dman exposed.

Protect 8 skaters you likely lose Mikheyev or Hyman.

4-4-1

Matthews
Tavares
Marner
Nylander

exposed: Kerfoot, Engvall, J Anderson among others
exempt: Mikheyev, Robertson, Hallander, Korshkov

Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie
Dermott

compliance exposure: Holl
exempt: Liljegren, Sandin

 

[Deebo]

Is this true?

yes, but 8-1 is also allowed

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

its 7-3-1
And miky is exempt from the draft.

Wait, Mikheyev is exempt? The two-year in North America rule? Didn't realize this would apply to guys as old as him, but if so, makes going 4-4 that much easier. You either:

a) threaten to trade Kerfoot and starve Seattle, so that they take a cheap price to agree not to draft him,

OR

b) skip the threats, trade Kerfoot, and starve Seattle. We'll need the cap space anyway.

 

[Magic Man]

The choies are 7-3-1 or 8-1, so you can protect one more forward. Hyman will not be re-signed until after the expansion draft, essentially giving him immunity. (Seattle have a period where they can sign a pending UFA, but they are unlikely to take advantage and Hyman is unlikely to sign there even if they tried.)

Based on the current roster, they lose one of Mikheyev or Kerfoot if they protect 4D.

Why is it unlikely he'd re-sign with the Kraken? I imagine he'd be a pretty nice catch if you can lure him from Toronto. Vegas has been in the league for 3 years and they are one of the biggest draws in FA already. It is Vegas, but Seattle may be in a position where they can offer a lucrative deal.

 

[Magic Man]

Wait, Mikheyev is exempt? The two-year in North America rule? Didn't realize this would apply to guys as old as him, but if so, makes going 4-4 that much easier. You either:

a) threaten to trade Kerfoot and starve Seattle, so that they take a cheap price to agree not to draft him,

OR

b) skip the threats, trade Kerfoot, and starve Seattle. We'll need the cap space anyway.

Next offseason with the flat cap and the current set-up of the team with looming team expansion, it actually doesn't come at a bad time. Some players will need raises and there is always some roster turnover. I think looking into the future trading Kerfoot for a selection of exempt assets and then leaving Seattle the 4-4-1 set-up would open room that will be necessary to open up. They leave the least desired of Dermott (impending raise) or Holl for Seattle and let them take that cap space, so they can use it in FA. Sandin, Lehtonen and Liljegren in house, they won't miss that player.

 

[justashadowof]

Why is it unlikely he'd re-sign with the Kraken? I imagine he'd be a pretty nice catch if you can lure him from Toronto. Vegas has been in the league for 3 years and they are one of the biggest draws in FA already. It is Vegas, but Seattle may be in a position where they can offer a lucrative deal.

Well, if Seattle was really attractive to Hyman's camp (and I believe impending UFAs are allowed to speak to the expansion team) why wouldn't they just pick another player with club control off the Leafs' exposed list then attempt to sign Hyman on July 1st?

 

[Magic Man]

Well, if Seattle was really attractive to Hyman's camp (and I believe impending UFAs are allowed to speak to the expansion team) why wouldn't they just pick another player with club control off the Leafs' exposed list then attempt to sign Hyman on July 1st?

Belief they could sway him to sign with them because if they didn't take the shot he would likely re-sign in Toronto after the expansion draft. He might represent a player type that they want around their young players. Likewise, Andersen may be a goaltender that they believe can be their starter for 5 years and they have cap to burn.

Those risks may be of greater value to Seattle then taking on a lower level roster player like Holl or Engvall.

 

[Legion34]

Well, if Seattle was really attractive to Hyman's camp (and I believe impending UFAs are allowed to speak to the expansion team) why wouldn't they just pick another player with club control off the Leafs' exposed list then attempt to sign Hyman on July 1st?

pretty sure it doesn’t work like that?

they get to talk to the guy before

 

[Mad hatter]

Why is it unlikely he'd re-sign with the Kraken? I imagine he'd be a pretty nice catch if you can lure him from Toronto. Vegas has been in the league for 3 years and they are one of the biggest draws in FA already. It is Vegas, but Seattle may be in a position where they can offer a lucrative deal.

Hyman, imho, strikes me as a player that only wants to play for the leafs. I also think he’ll give the leafs are very good hometown discount, after the expansion draft. If not I don’t see anyway there’ll be enough money for him here unfortunately.

 

[Leaffan1991]

yes, but 8-1 is also allowed

I meant Mik being exempt

 

[NCoRe]

Andrei Kuzmenko our next free wallet from Russia? Looking awesome and only 24yrs (20gp / 15pts) see him as more versatile forward than even Barabanov.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Andrei Kuzmenko our next free wallet from Russia? Looking awesome and only 24yrs (20gp / 15pts) see him as more versatile forward than even Barabanov.

In only 14:49 TOI/GP as well.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Why is it unlikely he'd re-sign with the Kraken? I imagine he'd be a pretty nice catch if you can lure him from Toronto. Vegas has been in the league for 3 years and they are one of the biggest draws in FA already. It is Vegas, but Seattle may be in a position where they can offer a lucrative deal.

I think the idea is if the Leafs and Hyman had mutual interest in an extension now there's mutual benefit to waiting until after the expansion draft to sign it. Hyman so he doesn't resign and get exposed, and taken(doesn't currently have a NMC), and the Leafs because it allows them to not protect Hyman, and they can sign him in UFA anyway even if Seattle takes him. Essentially if they agreed upon a deal now they'd theoretically wait to sign it until after expansion because both parties are better off.

If Hyman actually wants to go to UFA and contemplate potentially signing in Seattle then that's a different scenario, but it's also one that doesn't involve us protecting Hyman either.

Basically unless the Leafs resign Hyman before expansion which seems unlikely given the mutual benefit to wait even if they've agreed on terms he won't need a protection slot, which allows them to go 8+1 and lose Kerfoot, or Holl rather than going 7+3+1 and lose Dermott.

 

[Menzinger]

Hyman, imho, strikes me as a player that only wants to play for the leafs. I also think he’ll give the leafs are very good hometown discount, after the expansion draft. If not I don’t see anyway there’ll be enough money for him here unfortunately.

I think if the Leafs will give him the term he wants, he'll be flexible on thr caphit aav