Trade and Free Agency Discussion Thread - Don't Expect More Augmenting

[Fogelhund]

Toews and Kane both have a NMC and have apparently told management they have no intention of moving even if they rebuild

Blackhawks rebuild idea does not make Jonathan Toews happy

This was October 15th, so maybe his tune has changed since then??

From the sound of things, key Blackhawks such as Jonathan Toews aren’t thrilled with said rebuild.
A source told the Athletic’s Mark Lazerus (sub required) that Toews, Patrick Kane, and others are “pissed” that the Blackhawks (seemingly suddenly) decided to rebuild. While Toews didn’t use that same tone in a recent interview with Lazerus, he also didn’t approve of the plan.

“Bottom line is, I want to win,” Toews said on Saturday, via Lazerus. “The expectation for the other leaders on this team and myself is to come ready to training camp every year to be a playoff team. We prepare ourselves to win a Cup for our fans. I’ve never been told that we were going through a rebuild. That has never been communicated to me, for that matter. A lot of this comes as a shock because it’s a completely different direction than we expected.”

 

[meefer]

If I have to explain why it's a bad idea to trade for a long term $5.25 million #3C who will be 33 this season when the Leafs have a bunch of contracts coming up, I don't know what to tell you, and that's before what you gifted to Chicago to take that hit on.

As constructed, the Leafs are always going to have a bunch of contracts coming up next year, it's part of the reality of having 40M tied up in 4 players. Hyman and Dermott are the only players we would have to sign that have been with us for any length of time, and Andersen. As the value of the contracts out is greater than the value coming in, we're in a better position to re-sign or add under the trade proposal. And your condescending "I don't know what to tell you" comment is not appreciated. By all means, stick to your guns and opinion, but don't insult other posters, it's bad form.

 

[meefer]

Blackhawks rebuild idea does not make Jonathan Toews happy

This was October 15th, so maybe his tune has changed since then??

From the sound of things, key Blackhawks such as Jonathan Toews aren’t thrilled with said rebuild.
A source told the Athletic’s Mark Lazerus (sub required) that Toews, Patrick Kane, and others are “pissed” that the Blackhawks (seemingly suddenly) decided to rebuild. While Toews didn’t use that same tone in a recent interview with Lazerus, he also didn’t approve of the plan.

“Bottom line is, I want to win,” Toews said on Saturday, via Lazerus. “The expectation for the other leaders on this team and myself is to come ready to training camp every year to be a playoff team. We prepare ourselves to win a Cup for our fans. I’ve never been told that we were going through a rebuild. That has never been communicated to me, for that matter. A lot of this comes as a shock because it’s a completely different direction than we expected.”

Food for thought. Regardless, I'd not taken into consideration his no movement clause. Anything I'd suggested is pushing up the daisies unless he comes out and says he'd accept a trade.

 

[Menzinger]

Blackhawks rebuild idea does not make Jonathan Toews happy

This was October 15th, so maybe his tune has changed since then??

From the sound of things, key Blackhawks such as Jonathan Toews aren’t thrilled with said rebuild.
A source told the Athletic’s Mark Lazerus (sub required) that Toews, Patrick Kane, and others are “pissed” that the Blackhawks (seemingly suddenly) decided to rebuild. While Toews didn’t use that same tone in a recent interview with Lazerus, he also didn’t approve of the plan.

“Bottom line is, I want to win,” Toews said on Saturday, via Lazerus. “The expectation for the other leaders on this team and myself is to come ready to training camp every year to be a playoff team. We prepare ourselves to win a Cup for our fans. I’ve never been told that we were going through a rebuild. That has never been communicated to me, for that matter. A lot of this comes as a shock because it’s a completely different direction than we expected.”

They're angry beacuse they want to win and stay in Chicago not go through a rebuild. They apparently also got angry beacuse they scratched Seabrook.

They don't want to split up their group of friends. So unlesd a team is willing to take on a whole bunch of them in a single trade deal I wouldn't expect those nmcs to be waived anytime soon

 

[Avilaj07]

There's no doubt in my mind that if the Leafs don't make a run in the playoffs this year, 100% Nylander or Marner are moved next off season and Dubas will have to reallocate the cap and make it much more manageable. If I had to choose 1 to move, it would be Marner 100%

 

[justashadowof]

There's no doubt in my mind that if the Leafs don't make a run in the playoffs this year, 100% Nylander or Marner are moved next off season and Dubas will have to reallocate the cap and make it much more manageable. If I had to choose 1 to move, it would be Marner 100%

If I'm forced to decide, and I think they will be eventually, Tavares is the player I'd want to move. I like the player a lot, I like that he wanted to come here. The NMC could be a problem but maybe not. He was considering other offers before coming here. There might be a destination he and his wife would want. Just accept that the return wouldn't be great in this scenario.

 

[Fogelhund]

If I'm forced to decide, and I think they will be eventually, Tavares is the player I'd want to move. I like the player a lot, I like that he wanted to come here. The NMC could be a problem but maybe not. He was considering other offers before coming here. There might be a destination he and his wife would want. Just accept that the return wouldn't be great in this scenario.

I mean his wife, and her family is from Oshawa, and works as a Physiotherapist in Mississauga....

 

[mydnyte]

If I'm forced to decide, and I think they will be eventually, Tavares is the player I'd want to move. I like the player a lot, I like that he wanted to come here. The NMC could be a problem but maybe not. He was considering other offers before coming here. There might be a destination he and his wife would want. Just accept that the return wouldn't be great in this scenario.

the only way he would agree to move would be after he won a cup here.

 

[al secord]

If I'm forced to decide, and I think they will be eventually, Tavares is the player I'd want to move. I like the player a lot, I like that he wanted to come here. The NMC could be a problem but maybe not. He was considering other offers before coming here. There might be a destination he and his wife would want. Just accept that the return wouldn't be great in this scenario.

He and his family made the life changing decision to move back home. He's the captain, and would be the last person to leave.

 

[Avilaj07]

If I'm forced to decide, and I think they will be eventually, Tavares is the player I'd want to move. I like the player a lot, I like that he wanted to come here. The NMC could be a problem but maybe not. He was considering other offers before coming here. There might be a destination he and his wife would want. Just accept that the return wouldn't be great in this scenario.

As much as I agree with Tavares being the one I would want moved, I can't see management coming to that decision. You have a star free agent choose Toronto over a team he's been with his whole career and then ship him out 3 years later because you regret the contract you gave him. Not to mention naming him the captain of the team. Trading him will also make future free agents second guess about coming here knowing that there's not really much loyalty if after 3 years you're being traded

 

[mydnyte]

Toews at 50% costs them 5.50M. Kerfoot and Holl, 5.5M, resulting in the same cost as Toews for the next 3 years (with Sandin in the minors until next year).

would you trade Tavares, and retain 50% for Mattias Janmark (Kerfoot), Nick Seeler(Holl), Adam Boqvist(Sandin), a 1st and 2nd in 21? ...because that would be the equivalent offer from Chicago, and likely a better offer to boot, as their picks project higher

 

[Fogelhund]

would you trade Tavares, and retain 50% for Mattias Janmark (Kerfoot), Nick Seeler(Holl), Adam Boqvist(Sandin), a 1st and 2nd in 21? ...because that would be the equivalent offer from Chicago, and likely a better offer to boot, as their picks project higher

If I was a rich organization, set to rebuild, probably, yes.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If I'm forced to decide, and I think they will be eventually, Tavares is the player I'd want to move. I like the player a lot, I like that he wanted to come here. The NMC could be a problem but maybe not. He was considering other offers before coming here. There might be a destination he and his wife would want. Just accept that the return wouldn't be great in this scenario.

Tavares is not going anywhere. The Leafs would not want to move a franchise 1C with all of the other intangibles, and his contract is not "regrettable" as some may feel it is.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Trade winds blow but Niku wants to stay put - Winnipeg Free Press

Neither the 24-year-old Finn nor his representative has elevated the "Free Sami" movement to critical status this fall with a trade request.

"I wouldn’t comment on that normally. But no, we haven’t (asked the Jets for a trade)," Niku’s agent, Mike Curran, told the Free Press in a phone interview Sunday. "It’s been out there mentioned. But it didn’t come from us.

"(Niku) has set up shop there. For a kid not to go back to Finland during this whole pandemic process, that should say a lot about his desire to be there."

Niku’s name has, indeed, been bandied about in trade speculation, as has that of forward Jack Roslovic leading up to and since the NHL Draft and the opening date of free agency earlier this month. Those rumours are more the undercard to the main event of a potential Patrik Laine trade.

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Curran said productive talks continue with the NHL club.

"Everything’s going fine. I don’t really comment too much on what’s said or what’s done. But we’ve had great conversations. He’s in Winnipeg and he wants to stay. I can’t get into specifics but they’re going fine," he said, from New Jersey.

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Yet, Curran said his client has been skating regularly and is hoping to earn full-time work with the Central Division club.

"For anybody, you gotta go in and earn a job. You gotta go in there and beat someone out. That’s what teams want, too, they don’t want guys to be complacent," he said. "So, (Niku will) come to camp ready to go. That’s on him and that’s his job. My job’s to advocate for him on the contract side and his job is to show up at camp ready to play and make the team."

 

[ShaneFalco]

Tavares is not going anywhere. The Leafs would not want to move a franchise 1C with all of the other intangibles, and his contract is not "regrettable" as some may feel it is.

can't believe it's even mentioned

 

[I am Canadian]

If the Leafs were ever to trade for Toews he would play #2 C with Tavares moving to the wing.

Won't happen

 

[Crosscrease14]

If I'm forced to decide, and I think they will be eventually, Tavares is the player I'd want to move. I like the player a lot, I like that he wanted to come here. The NMC could be a problem but maybe not. He was considering other offers before coming here. There might be a destination he and his wife would want. Just accept that the return wouldn't be great in this scenario.

It would be Nylander almost certainly. Unless a team is willing to give up something great for Marner but I doubt it on a flat cap world. Nylander is a 60-70 pt player while Marner is 90-100+.

The fact that Marner is better defensively and can pk makes it a no brainer for me.

I'm a big Nylander fan btw don't wanna see him moved. But if one of the big 4 had to go..

No chance Tavares waives imo

 

[ToneDog]

It would be Nylander almost certainly. Unless a team is willing to give up something great for Marner but I doubt it on a flat cap world. Nylander is a 60-70 pt player while Marner is 90-100+.

The fact that Marner is better defensively and can pk makes it a no brainer for me.

I'm a big Nylander fan btw don't wanna see him moved. But if one of the big 4 had to go..

No chance Tavares waives imo

Leafs not trading Marner soon and neither are any teams trading for him in this pandemic. I can't see any team interested in paying $14.3m on July 1st let alone taking on the rest of that contract unless the Leafs eat some of that money and/or pretty much give him away (in which case they proabably will have failed to win a playoff series and decided to go in a different direction).

 

[nobody]

I would do Kerfoot, Holl, 2021 2nd rounder for Toews at 50% for the remaining 2 years of his contract. There is no way in hell you're ponying up a top pick or prospect.

 

[HomelessPepper]

Nylander is a 60-70 pt player while Marner is 90-100+.

No bias here at all...

 

[Martin Skoula]

It would be Nylander almost certainly. Unless a team is willing to give up something great for Marner but I doubt it on a flat cap world. Nylander is a 60-70 pt player while Marner is 90-100+.

The fact that Marner is better defensively and can pk makes it a no brainer for me.

I'm a big Nylander fan btw don't wanna see him moved. But if one of the big 4 had to go..

No chance Tavares waives imo

Marner may make flashy blocks on the PK but I really don't see an argument for being better defensively than Nylander. Marner's a much riskier player in the offensive zone, whatever amount of hustle you think he has on Nylander gets cancelled out by the sheer amount of drop passes to no one that turn into odd man rushes against us. Neither is good in the defensive zone other than breaking out.

 

[Crosscrease14]

No bias here at all...

As a leaf fan it's no surprise I'm from Toronto so I probably have some bias toward Marner as a Hometown guy.

On the other hand look at the stats. The numbers speak for themselves.

Marner may make flashy blocks on the PK but I really don't see an argument for being better defensively than Nylander. Marner's a much riskier player in the offensive zone, whatever amount of hustle you think he has on Nylander gets cancelled out by the sheer amount of drop passes to no one that turn into odd man rushes against us. Neither is good in the defensive zone other than breaking out.

Well there's the fact that one has been trusted on the pk and the other hasn't. I'm not slamming Nylander as a player, I like him a lot actually, I just think Marner is a higher tier player. I agree both aren't great defensively but I think you'd have a very hard time arguing Nylander is better defensively.

 

[1specter]

Marner may make flashy blocks on the PK but I really don't see an argument for being better defensively than Nylander. Marner's a much riskier player in the offensive zone, whatever amount of hustle you think he has on Nylander gets cancelled out by the sheer amount of drop passes to no one that turn into odd man rushes against us. Neither is good in the defensive zone other than breaking out.

IMO I think people assume Marner is better defensively because (in addition to PKing) he's often skating around everywhere giving the image that he's hustling but what they don't realize is that he's often caught out of position to begin with and has to try and skate back. I find that Nylander is generally a lot smarter with his positioning and knowing where to be, but he gets caught at times because of inconsistent effort or getting lazy on the follow-up chances. When Nylander is engaged he is actually pretty good defensively as he's deceptively strong and can be good at tying up sticks/pickpocketing guys.

 

[mydnyte]

As a leaf fan it's no surprise I'm from Toronto so I probably have some bias toward Marner as a Hometown guy.

On the other hand look at the stats. The numbers speak for themselves.

Well there's the fact that one has been trusted on the pk and the other hasn't. I'm not slamming Nylander as a player, I like him a lot actually, I just think Marner is a higher tier player. I agree both aren't great defensively but I think you'd have a very hard time arguing Nylander is better defensively.

this has always been a point with the Leafs that i have hated ...your 'best' players should play at the most important times, and that includes PK.
if you run a bunch of 3rd/4th liners on the PK, then why not also have them close out the last 2 mins in a 1 goal game too. ...reason you dont, is they arent good enough to be out there when it counts late, but, you are counting on them every time you are short handed.
Boston/TB on the PK play their top line players, and when they get the puck, they are very dangerous, our PKers are just hoping to clear the zone most of the time.
I really hope that changes this season!!

 

[Martin Skoula]

As a leaf fan it's no surprise I'm from Toronto so I probably have some bias toward Marner as a Hometown guy.

On the other hand look at the stats. The numbers speak for themselves.

Well there's the fact that one has been trusted on the pk and the other hasn't. I'm not slamming Nylander as a player, I like him a lot actually, I just think Marner is a higher tier player. I agree both aren't great defensively but I think you'd have a very hard time arguing Nylander is better defensively.

I would accept PK minutes as evidence someone is better defensively if icings were still in play on the PK. As it stands, you can be a whiz on the PK by blindly firing the puck down the ice every time you get it. That skillset does not transfer over to even strength. You have to be special on the PK for it to really matter, I would say there's maybe a handful of guys who couldn't be replaced by a minimum wage grinder (Marchand, Bergeron, Grabner). Marner could work his way into that group but he isn't there yet.

Nylander is a lot safer at even strength, he moves the puck in the right direction much more consistently and his play in the offensive zone leads to less dangerous chances against. Regardless of how they both look playing defense (hustle vs positioning), less bad things happen in our end with Nylander on the ice. That being said, obviously Marner also creates the more dangerous offensive chances so it balances out more when he's on his game.

this has always been a point with the Leafs that i have hated ...your 'best' players should play at the most important times, and that includes PK.
if you run a bunch of 3rd/4th liners on the PK, then why not also have them close out the last 2 mins in a 1 goal game too. ...reason you dont, is they arent good enough to be out there when it counts late, but, you are counting on them every time you are short handed.
Boston/TB on the PK play their top line players, and when they get the puck, they are very dangerous, our PKers are just hoping to clear the zone most of the time.
I really hope that changes this season!!

A 3rd/4th liner can dump the puck with no icings on the PK, they can't do that at ES in the last 2 minutes of a 1 goal game. Also in terms of being dangerous on the PK, we scored the same amount of SHG as Boston last season with less PK time. Tampa scored 1 more SHG than us.