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Trade and Free Agency Discussion Thread - 2021 Season Edition

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I would do Dubois for Marner. Probably an off-season move. Then next year; (I am assuming Spezza and Thornton both retiring. Lehtonen prices himself out. We keep Hyman. Holl gets taken by Seattle. (He's a RD, which is premium, and he has really good analytics, which Seattle is focusing on).

You shift Tavares to the wing. Probably beside Dubois. Try and find a playmaking winger to play with them. Reunite Hyman, Matthews, and Nylander as the top line.

Put Robertson, Kerfoot and Mikheyev on line 3.

Joey Anderson, Wayne Simmonds and some sort of center for a spunky line 4. (Pierre Engvall or Adam Brooks are fine - preferably Engvall).

Edit: I would look to use the cap space we gain from Marner to Dubois, to acquire a d-man. I am still big on Weegar, and I wonder if a Liljegren + Korshkov trade could work. Gives FLA two NHL ready players on the cheap.

Assuming a flat cap, Simmonds coming back at 1.5M, Dermott at 1M, Holl to Seattle, that would leave us about 8.3M to sign a winger, and a goalie.

I would target someone like Halak or Raanta to tandem with Campbell (depending on how Campbell does this year). That would only be about 2-3M, which leaves us 5-6M for a winger. Hoffman, Schwartz, Tatar, Palmieri, could all fit in that range.
 
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Cor said:
I would do Dubois for Marner. Probably an off-season move. Then next year; (I am assuming Spezza and Thornton both retiring. Lehtonen prices himself out. We keep Hyman. Holl gets taken by Seattle. (He's a RD, which is premium, and he has really good analytics, which Seattle is focusing on).

You shift Tavares to the wing. Probably beside Dubois. Try and find a playmaking winger to play with them. Reunite Hyman, Matthews, and Nylander as the top line.

Put Robertson, Kerfoot and Mikheyev on line 3.

Joey Anderson, Wayne Simmonds and some sort of center for a spunky line 4. (Pierre Engvall or Adam Brooks are fine - preferably Engvall).

Edit: I would look to use the cap space we gain from Marner to Dubois, to acquire a d-man. I am still big on Weegar, and I wonder if a Liljegren + Korshkov trade could work. Gives FLA two NHL ready players on the cheap.

Assuming a flat cap, Simmonds coming back at 1.5M, Dermott at 1M, Holl to Seattle, that would leave us about 8.3M to sign a winger, and a goalie.

I would target someone like Halak or Raanta to tandem with Campbell (depending on how Campbell does this year). That would only be about 2-3M, which leaves us 5-6M for a winger. Hoffman, Schwartz, Tatar, Palmieri, could all fit in that range.
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I see your reasoning and balancing of the team and I like that but really only leaves one playmaker on the team- Nylander. With Marner, Thornton and Spezza all gone and Matthews JT and Dubois on the team who is passing ? Robertson looks like the next big forward coming up he's a shooter too.

Seems like too many cooks in the kitchen to me
 
Crosscrease14 said:
I see your reasoning and balancing of the team and I like that but really only leaves one playmaker on the team- Nylander. With Marner, Thornton and Spezza all gone and Matthews JT and Dubois on the team who is passing ?

Seems like too many cooks in the kitchen to me
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Which is why we'd look for more a playmaking forward in free agency. Tavares can shoot the puck, but is also quite the playmaker as well. I feel like someone like Tatar or Schwartz would be the best options of the ones I listed.
 
Cor said:
Which is why we'd look for more a playmaking forward in free agency. Tavares can shoot the puck, but is also quite the playmaker as well. I feel like someone like Tatar or Schwartz would be the best options of the ones I listed.
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Fair enough it's just a lot of pieces that would have to be moved around.

You get a year of Dubois at 5 and then say he goes up to 9 after taking a discount and Canadian taxes..

You're saving less than a couple mil at that point for what I see as a fairly big downgrade plus you're moving around a lot of pieces to make it happen.

After the Dubois raise I don't know if they have much cap to add/keep a solid D plus a playmaking forward
 
Crosscrease14 said:
Fair enough it's just a lot of pieces that would have to be moved around.

You get a year of Dubois at 5 and then say he goes up to 9 after taking a discount and Canadian taxes..

You're saving less than a couple mil at that point for what I see as a fairly big downgrade plus you're moving around a lot of pieces to make it happen.

After the Dubois raise I don't know if they have much cap to add/keep a solid D plus a playmaking forward
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Dubois won't get 9M.
 
Cor said:
Dubois won't get 9M.
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If he makes good on that 'room to grow' he's getting a substantial raise. Add on the Canadian tax bonus I don't think it's out of the question. Buying UFA years too keep in mind..

If he's getting under 8 he hasn't performed to expectations and they traded Marner for a significant downgrade.

If he's good he'll get paid. If he struggles it's a bad trade. Either way I don't love it.
 
Crosscrease14 said:
If he makes good on that 'room to grow' he's getting a substantial raise. Add on the Canadian tax bonus I don't think it's out of the question. Buying UFA years too keep in mind..

If he's getting under 8 he hasn't performed to expectations and they traded Marner for a significant downgrade.

If he's good he'll get paid. If he struggles it's a bad trade. Either way I don't love it.
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Depends on one's expectations. IMO, Dubois will never be the high-skill, 90+ point scorer like Marner. He'll be that 70 point scorer. His value comes away from the puck. His defensive game, and his size. IMO, Dubois "room to grow" comes in the form of consistency, and getting stronger. Unfortunately, that style of play tends to pay less than a flashy offensive style like Marner.

It's much the reason someone like Barzal gets 7M on his bridge, and Dubois gets 5M.

The concept behind trading Dubois for Marner (again, IMO, can't speak for otheres), is that you are knowingly downgrading in pure skill, in order to better round off the roster. You still keep a top forward in Dubois, who can be a staple behind Matthews, while also giving yourself another 6M next year, and roughly another 3-4M moving forward (depending on a Dubois extension).

So in my hypothetical, we move Marner, let Freddy walk, and use that cash to bring in a less expensive tandem goalie, upgrade the defense a bit more, and add a secondary scoring piece, as well as keeping Hyman/Simmonds around.

Overall, I would give this type of a deal a 5% chance at happening, but I am of the mindset, that if things don't go to expectation this year, that Marner will be the one moved, in order to help create more flexibility.

It's hard to imagine what that deal would look like.
 
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Sign me up for that trade, or hell Marner for Werenski.

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Tavares-Dubois-

as a top six would be fun. I think the conversation that may need to be outside of Marner is Rielly. Our #1 defencemen doesn't play the PK or against other teams top lines and is gonna demand 8M++
 
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Cor said:
Which is why we'd look for more a playmaking forward in free agency. Tavares can shoot the puck, but is also quite the playmaker as well. I feel like someone like Tatar or Schwartz would be the best options of the ones I listed.
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That's why we have Robertson who is a known sniper.

Hyman- Matthews- Nylander
Robertson- Tavares- Marner
Mikheyev- Kerfoot- Vesey
Barabanov- Spezza/ Thornton- Simmonds

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Lehtonen/Bogosian
 
Avilaj07 said:
That's why we have Robertson who is a known sniper.

Hyman- Matthews- Nylander
Robertson- Tavares- Marner
Mikheyev- Kerfoot- Vesey
Barabanov- Spezza/ Thornton- Simmonds

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Lehtonen/Bogosian
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The context of what you quoted was with Marner being traded for Dubois and Robertson already being on the roster :)
 
Korg said:
If we're moving Marner, I want a defenseman that can actually defend coming back, otherwise we're just rearranging deck chairs.
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not exactly, Dubois brings much needed size and grit from a star scoring player needed on the top 6.

After watching him in that series last year you can see the kind of player he can be in a playoff series.
 
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I would love Dubois on this team and if Columbus is still interested in Marner well then there's definitely a package there that can be put together, I know my proposal isn't going to be loved by many but I would do,

To Toronto-
Dubois
Werenski
Foudy
1st round pick

To Columbus-
Marner
Rielly
Kerfoot
 
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Idk about trading Marner, but I'd probably swap Nylander for Dubois without hesitation.

Its something I would do at the end of the season if the team fails to reach its goals again or possibly at the deadline if the team is under performing and needs a shakeup. But Dubois may get traded before then.
 
  • Mitch Marner for PLD

  • Trade Andersen for anything at all

  • Tank this season, get a legitimate defenceman

  • Trade Rielly in the offseason
 
If Andersen is potentially being traded (based on no solid evidence other than that vague Friedman tweet). Wonder which team is interested
 
screw it, if we are talking about fantasy trades Marner + for Lindholm + Gibson. let's do it!!!!!
 
lol no way...Marner is way more valuable than PLD...IMO the only deal to consider is Tavares for PLD but not sure they would want that. That would save us a lot of money and honestly make us a better team, we would lose out on some veteran leadership though...
 
Rielly4 said:
lol no way...Marner is way more valuable than PLD...IMO the only deal to consider is Tavares for PLD but not sure they would want that. That would save us a lot of money and honestly make us a better team, we would lose out on some veteran leadership though...
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Tavares = NMC
 
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Marner, Andersen and Rielly to Arizona for Hayton, Kuemper, Crouse, Chychrun, Soderstrum, 1st round pick
 
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You drunk?
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