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ToneDog said:
Interesting Pronger story. Leafs were interested in Pronger and Carlo Colo said they were offering Steen and Kaberlae. Dreger said Lowe wanted not part of a deal with the Leafs because he did not want to turn on the TV and watch Pronger playing for the Leafs every Saturday night. Wonder if Treliving has the same thinking regarding Bennett.
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i heard the leafs were offering stajan, kaberle and a 1st but edmonton wanted steen, kaberle and a 1st and toronto wouldnt budge on steen. and then they turn around traded steen later for stempniak. lol
 
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ToneDog said:
Interesting Pronger story. Leafs were interested in Pronger and Carlo Colo said they were offering Steen and Kaberlae. Dreger said Lowe wanted not part of a deal with the Leafs because he did not want to turn on the TV and watch Pronger playing for the Leafs every Saturday night. Wonder if Treliving has the same thinking regarding Bennett.
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That is a different story from the usual one. The common one i've seen is the Leafs were offering Kaberle and Stajan. Edmonton wanted Kaberle and Steen. JFJ refused to consider moving Steen. With the next 1.5 years, JFJ gets canned, Fletcher gets brought back, and trades Steen & Carlo to St Louis for Lee Stempniak.
 
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Cor said:
That is a different story from the usual one. The common one i've seen is the Leafs were offering Kaberle and Stajan. Edmonton wanted Kaberle and Steen. JFJ refused to consider moving Steen. With the next 1.5 years, JFJ gets canned, Fletcher gets brought back, and trades Steen & Carlo to St Louis for Lee Stempniak.
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You probably have the story correct. Carlos mentioned Steen and Kaberlae which makes me think that is what the Oilers wanted rather than what Leafs were offering. Ironic that Carlo is moved along with Steen in that lousy deal for Stempniak.
 
ToneDog said:
You probably have the story correct. Carlos mentioned Steen and Kaberlae which makes me think that is what the Oilers wanted rather than what Leafs were offering. Ironic that Carlo is moved along with Steen in that lousy deal for Stempniak.
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I sometimes wonder what would have happened if JFJ was allowed to do his rebuild plan with us. I am sorta hoping he gets the PIT job that he's apparently one of the key candidates for. Just so see how he does with another chance.
 
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Cor said:
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if JFJ was allowed to do his rebuild plan with us. I am sorta hoping he gets the PIT job that he's apparently one of the key candidates for. Just so see how he does with another chance.
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Things we did trade but wouldn't have
Tuuka f***ing Rask
2008 2nd rounder (Perrault)
2007 1st rounder (Toskala)
2007 2nd rounder (Toskala)

Things we didn't trade but would have-
McCabe (rental 2006) 1st+
Sundin (2006 draft) 1st+ top prospect +
Tucker (2007 rental) 1st +

The 06, 07, and likely 08 1st's would have all been slotted higher. Biggest question would be if they'd be high enough to garner elite talent, would we hit on the extra 1sts? 07 was a bit of a dud after Kane, and 06 dropped off huge after Kessel.

To match Nylander/Marner/Matthews we would have had to at least pulled Kessel/Kane/Stamkos, which I like less and would be highly unlikely.

Little+Foligno plus Couture/Vorachek + Pacioretty/Backlund plus Doughty/Pietro to go with Rask and Steen would have made us a perennial playoff team and hard out but I don't think it beats Chicago.
 
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Cor said:
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if JFJ was allowed to do his rebuild plan with us. I am sorta hoping he gets the PIT job that he's apparently one of the key candidates for. Just so see how he does with another chance.
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Some of his picks went on to have fair careers. Some are still currently playing (not all of them in the NHL). Don't think we missed out on anything great though. Still, employing a GM and vetoing his direction for the team doesn't exactly make for the best look.
 
Buds17 said:
Some of his picks went on to have fair careers. Some are still currently playing (not all of them in the NHL). Don't think we missed out on anything great though. Still, employing a GM and vetoing his direction for the team doesn't exactly make for the best look.
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Well exactly. During GM interviews, usually the main process is "lay out your vision for the team"

I assume JFJ pitched what he wanted to do, then got hired, and then all of a sudden, the teachers fund wouldn't let him do it?

Oi
 
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Buds17 said:
Some of his picks went on to have fair careers. Some are still currently playing (not all of them in the NHL). Don't think we missed out on anything great though. Still, employing a GM and vetoing his direction for the team doesn't exactly make for the best look.
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JFJ did really well in his draft considering in 4 drafted he only had two 1st round picks and one 2nd round pick, and only 25 picks overall.

With those picks in their 'prime':

- Rask (#1G)
- Stralman (top 4 d-man)
- Komarov (top 9 winger)
- Kulemin (top 9 winger)
- Reimer (1B G)
- Gunnarson (#4 d-man)
- Stalberg (3rd/4th line winger)
- Holzer (bottom pairing d-man)
- Tlusty (3rd line winger)
- Frattin (prior to injuries he was looking like a top 9 winger)

10/25 draft picks with notable names with 7/8 of those forward/d-men playing 400+ games in the NHL .Only two real notable big hits (Rask and Stralman) but given only 3 top 60 picks, that's pretty good.

The 2006 draft was really solid as 6 of 7 picks became NHLers for a period of time.
 
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Cor said:
Well exactly. During GM interviews, usually the main process is "lay out your vision for the team"

I assume JFJ pitched what he wanted to do, then got hired, and then all of a sudden, the teachers fund wouldn't let him do it?

Oi
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Yup. Fair enough if a team doesn't wish to rebuild. It's just that having a GM in charge thinking that's for the best seems counterproductive.
 
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Cor said:
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if JFJ was allowed to do his rebuild plan with us. I am sorta hoping he gets the PIT job that he's apparently one of the key candidates for. Just so see how he does with another chance.
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I have been watching him tryout for GM jobs and nearly miss and hang around leagues front offices ever since. He was fairly young when he got the job in Toronto. I'd love to see him catch on with another group and see if he has what it takes. Getting run out of Toronto the hockey mecca while putting him on the map may have hurt his rep around the league more than it would in a place like Arizona.
 
BertCorbeau said:
JFJ did really well in his draft considering in 4 drafted he only had two 1st round picks and one 2nd round pick, and only 25 picks overall.

With those picks in their 'prime':

- Rask (#1G)
- Stralman (top 4 d-man)
- Komarov (top 9 winger)
- Kulemin (top 9 winger)
- Reimer (1B G)
- Gunnarson (#4 d-man)
- Stalberg (3rd/4th line winger)
- Holzer (bottom pairing d-man)
- Tlusty (3rd line winger)
- Frattin (prior to injuries he was looking like a top 9 winger)

10/25 draft picks with notable names with 7/8 of those forward/d-men playing 400+ games in the NHL .Only two real notable big hits (Rask and Stralman) but given only 3 top 60 picks, that's pretty good.

The 2006 draft was really solid as 6 of 7 picks became NHLers for a period of time.
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I suppose I disregarded Rask since he also traded him away. I just meant that there wasn't a star (first line forward/top pair D/starting goalie) for the team in the bunch otherwise. Higher picks probably would have helped with that. Hopefully that wouldn't have involved several picks in the draft lottery range and missing the playoffs though. We have those now, but even those belong to multiple regimes. (Rielly-Burke, Nylander-Nonis, Marner-Dubas/Hunter, Matthews-Lamoriello)
 
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BertCorbeau said:
Not sure why Dermott is so undervalued.. Especially since Bennett's contract amount hurts his value for what he brings.
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I don't think Dubas considers a Dermott trade unless other depth guys like Lehtonen/Sandin/Lilly establish themselves.
 
Not sure of the longer term implications of that Bennett for Dermott possibility. Doesn't do much for the team in terms of the expansion draft, and both of Lehtonen and Bogosian are pending UFAs. I get that Bennett has played more games and has the draft position advantage, but I'd wonder about "significant piece" as well?
 
Buds17 said:
Not sure of the longer term implications of that Bennett for Dermott possibility. Doesn't do much for the team in terms of the expansion draft, and both of Lehtonen and Bogosian are pending UFAs. I get that Bennett has played more games and has the draft position advantage, but I'd wonder about "significant piece" as well.
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The long term implication is that the Leafs would trade Dermott and a "significant piece" for a 4th line rental who is not even that great.
 
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stickty111 said:

No chance this is true
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Why would we need to add? All Bennett has going for him is his draft position and about a dozen playoff games

As far as I'm concerned he's a reclamation project, there's no way in hell I'd add to Dermott (I'm doubtful he's worth Dermott if I'm being honest)
 
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Kiwi said:
Why would we need to add? All Bennett has going for him is his draft position and about a dozen playoff games

As far as I'm concerned he's a reclamation project, there's no way in hell I'd add to Dermott (I'm doubtful he's worth Dermott if I'm being honest)
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He's not.
Like @Cor said, I don't mind taking a chance on him but needs to be cheap price. Dermott is not cheap
 
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