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Confirmed with Link: Tortorella Fired Pt II: "The Search"

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Kershaw said:
That Devils team was a trainwreck at the beginning of the season IIRC.
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You are correct...major trainwreck.

side note: I haven't even tuned in to Dodgers Angels, yet. I almost don't even care anymore unless #22 is on the bump.
 
here is one game in my mind that sticks out in particular where I'm not at all upset Torts got fired.

The Rangers played the Hurricanes late in the season. With a win, the Rangers clinch a playoff spot. Hurricanes are a poor team and were near the bottom of the Eastern Conference. Rangers and Canes were tied going into the 3rd period. Torts should have had his guys fired up, ready for blood. A good 20 minutes and the Rangers will clinch a playoff spot. Instead the Rangers came out flat and got scored on in the first 5 minutes of the period. While the Rangers went on to win the game (thanks in large part to a lucky tying goal), if you are unable to get your guys excited for a potential playoff spot, then it is clear you lost that locker room.
 
chosen said:
Then why do no coaches win it all more often and why do coaches get recycled through the league? Coaches in hockey mean more than in baseball. Managers in baseball mean 0% to their team. At least in hockey coaches matter a little.
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Disagree. Perhaps the most disposable thing in all of sports is a NHL head coach.
 
Tawnos said:
When every single pitch in baseball requires a decision from the manager, even if that decision is to do nothing, there is simply no way you could be right.
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Are you under the mistaken impression that a manager calls pitches? The only thing a manager does in that vein is intentional walks.

Managers in baseball fill out the lineup card, call hit and run and decide who is pitching. A computer could do the same.

There is no better example of what managers mean than Torre. On the loaded Yankee teams he was a god. On other teams he was lucky to sniff a .500 record.
 
chosen said:
Are you under the mistaken impression that a manager calls pitches? The only thing a manager does in that vein is intentional walks.

Managers in baseball fill out the lineup card, call hit and run and decide who is pitching. A computer could do the same.

There is no better example of what managers mean than Torre. On the loaded Yankee teams he was a god. On other teams he was lucky to sniff a .500 record.
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That is not true at all.
 
RangerBlues said:
Disagree. Perhaps the most disposable thing in all of sports is a NHL head coach.
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They are disposable but so are all coaches and managers in sports. Hockey coaches have a shelf life of 3 years or so. If they don't get it done by then they inevitably get tuned out by the players.
 
I find it laughable that some people want absolutely nothing to do with a hockey God like Messier, but do want Pierre Mcguire. I'm not saying we should hire Messier, but some of these suggestions are awful. Guy Boucher? I'd rather have Torts.

The next person that says Guy Boucher is a good candidate and mentions he took a team to the East Finals, didn't Torts do that and win a cup?

Torts is gone and what is done is done, but some of these suggested coaches do not make sense at all. I'm surprised barry melrose isn't mentioned.
 
The Snouch said:
I find it laughable that some people want absolutely nothing to do with a hockey God like Messier, but do want Pierre Mcguire. I'm not saying we should hire Messier, but some of these suggestions are awful. Guy Boucher? I'd rather have Torts.

The next person that says Guy Boucher is a good candidate and mentions he took a team to the East Finals, didn't Torts do that and win a cup?

Torts is gone and what is done is done, but some of these suggested coaches do not make sense at all. I'm surprised barry melrose isn't mentioned.
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I find it laughable that Messier is even rumored to be involved in this.
 
nyrtrublue said:
I think guy boucher would be a great fit. the fact that he has a sports psychology major from his college days I think would be a great fit. I can only imagine what the confidence of someone like krieder is like after torts. Also alot of players seemed to take a step backwards this year. I could see a presence like his really being a huge boon to some of the younger players development.

Also I believe he uses an offensive scheme. I know tampa had alot of offensive firepower and a god awful defense. It would be interesting to see his offensive system would do for this team considering that just about all 6 d starting next year could have pushed to be in his top 2 at points

"Guy Boucher:

A former coach of the Tampa Bay Lightning (like Tortorella), Boucher is young, energetic and is probably curious about what he can do with a world-class goalie playing behind his unique systems, including a 1-3-1 forecheck.

Boucher couldn't get the Lightning going after taking them to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2011. They had bad goaltending and a subpar defense that couldn't make up for the amount of offense Steven Stamkos and Martin St. Louis create. He was fired with roughly one month left in the 2012-13 regular season.

Lundqvist would likely be able to make his systems look good again. When the Lighting got solid goaltending from Dwayne Roloson in 2010-11, they scored 2.94 goals per game and had a power play that was better than 20 percent. The Rangers never had offensive numbers like that under Tortorella.

Rangers center Derick Brassard played under Boucher in the QMJHL."
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the articles lines up with my belief about the systems and how the rangers could benefit. I think the sports psychology background is being overlooked, especially since I believe he was the first/only coach with such a background.
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I believe he had Tampa scoring at 2.94 GAG and a 20+% power play while employing the 1-3-1, but he had a fluid system in place where the team used a 1-2-2 if the D-man didn't have total control of the puck and quickly transition to the 1-3-1 once they did. It totally frustrated the Caps in the series they had that season.

He also got career years out of a lot of bottom six guys. His knock is his lack of experience, but I think it's outweighed by the fresh and energetic approach he brings. Didn't know about the sports psychology major.

Can you imagine this D-Corp playing the 1-3-1? When it works well they are pretty easy minutes. When it doesn't work it's isn't any different than what they are used to minus the collapsing and Hank would be there.

The Snouch said:
I find it laughable that some people want absolutely nothing to do with a hockey God like Messier, but do want Pierre Mcguire. I'm not saying we should hire Messier, but some of these suggestions are awful. Guy Boucher? I'd rather have Torts.

The next person that says Guy Boucher is a good candidate and mentions he took a team to the East Finals, didn't Torts do that and win a cup?

Torts is gone and what is done is done, but some of these suggested coaches do not make sense at all. I'm surprised barry melrose isn't mentioned.
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Seems I am that guy, so what do I win? Going to educate me on how Mark Messier has coached a team to even 1 NHL victory? Let alone took a team on a deep playoff run?

Helluva a player, great leader, not a coach yet. Zipay stated Messier had a lot going on right now and probably wouldn't be interested anyway.
 
The Snouch said:
i could write a manifesto on how embarassing it is that pierre mcguire is more accepted in this discussion than messier. ugh, makes me sick.
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It would be debunked instantly when shown coaching credentials.

While I don't agree with the suggestion of Pierre as the next coach, he has accomplished a hell of a lot more as a coach and an assistant than Messier has in those roles.
 
Nikita4 said:
I don't see how Sather escapes this unscathed after burning through 6 coaches and no cups

He's bullet proof.
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At this point I think Slats could walk out during the national anthem and take a dump on the center ice faceoff dot and still retain his job.
 
The Snouch said:
i could write a manifesto on how embarassing it is that pierre mcguire is more accepted in this discussion than messier. ugh, makes me sick.
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I don't think Pierre is than answer but his credentials seem to hold a lot more weight than Messier's.
 
The Snouch said:
show them.

then explain to me why you would consider mcguire. I will wait.
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Well, considering he actually has coaching experience compared to Messier's 0, I'd say its the lesser of two evils by default.
 
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