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I'm close to 30 and understand the importance of Mark Messier and his performance in 1994, however that doesn't negate the fact that A.) He's been mostly out of hockey for quite some time, and B.) he has zero coaching experience. He has a sweet gig now, he gets to hang out at MSG and his voice is heard, he can go in and give a rah rah speech before big games. I don't know why he'd want to coach.
 
Messier ran Zubov out of town. I don't want him holding any sort of coaching position on this team.
 
I could handle Messier as assistant or Whale coach. Otherwise, he's too risky of an option to use as head coach while Hank's clock is ticking.

By the way, Adam Oates was a great player and a decent but not great coach.
 
My biggest gripe coming into this season was that the team lost its identity. Now the architect of the identity built up over the last few years is gone which means the Rangers are basically building a new culture from scratch yet again, and to be honest they haven't really had an identity since before the 2004 lockout, way before. Anyone who didn't love last years team must not really like hockey or the Rangers that much, a team that fought and bled for each other and put team first over individual.

I don't know how any Ranger fan can genuinely feel that Torts deserved to go after a second round loss this season, and one season removed from an OT loss in game 6 of the Conference finals - the first conference finals appearance for the franchise since 1997. (That was before Glen Sather)

No training camp, Staal out for most of the year and the playoffs, Richards being Gomez, the heart of the team lost in the offseason without adequate replacement- Feds, Dubi, Prust. These are not the coaches fault.

Stability is the problem. There is none with this team. Except for one person, Glen Sather. I won't get into a rant about him but he's the one that needs to go plain and simple. 13 years OTJ and 1 conference finals appearance, what 3 second round appearances?

To me next season was the put up or shut up season, not this half b@stard of a season with half of a new roster, and then another half of a new roster again by the trade deadline. Say what you want about blocking shots, the PP, the inept offense, the line combos, because I really believe that most fans have forgotten the Renney years, let alone the Muckler years, and I almost vomit at mentioning the Trottier year.

This won't be a magic wand wiping away all of the flaws of this poorly constructed team, regardless of what those flaws may have been. It could get worse before it gets better.

Edit:

One more thing, Sather was behind the bench before the 2004 lockout. Right before he blew the team up. Should've been fired then and there.
 
This might have been mentioned before, I don't feel like going back 50 pages, but I'm sure there are plenty of reasons Torts was fired. Treatment of players, media, system, but I think the main reason was that he brought Brad Richards here. He wanted him and swore by him. Brad Richards might be washed up and I think Torts tried to distance himself from him by scratching him the last 2 games. I believe that management saw through Tort's scheme. Same thing happened with Perry Pearn. He brought in Redden and got the axe.

What are your thoughts?

Richards has been the only legit top center to hit free agency and it's something the rangers gave been crying out for. He was 2 tard removed from a 90pt season and had gone over ppg leading up to FA

His contract was too long, but due to the (now closed) loop hole it didn't matter as he'd leave the csp hit wouldn't have affected us.

Slats would have been all over him regardless of who was coach
 
I could handle Messier as assistant or Whale coach. Otherwise, he's too risky of an option to use as head coach while Hank's clock is ticking.

By the way, Adam Oates was a great player and a decent but not great coach.

Considering this is Oates first HC job the book is still out, but he ran a pretty good PP as in asst in NJ.

But that's the difference between him and Messier, Oates at least has apprenticed.
 
You guys need a Carlyle more than a Julien type coach imo. Tort , Julien sort of similiar styles, defensive oriented games.

What about Dallas Eakin from leafs farm system?? Has done a great job developing guys like Kadri, Gardiner

If you need a bigger name, Guy Boucher comes to mind. The guy got absolutely left to dry in Tampa not getting a proper goalie since he was coach there. Very good at letting the game "flow" and would solve your pp issues. Richards could be brought back to life also
 
Hey this question is for Ola, BBKers or any of you Euro hockey fans. Is there any coach in the SEL or any Euro league who would make a good NHL coach. I wouldn't mind a totally fresh approach and a new face. Not the same old coaching carousel. Maybe a top minor league coach.

Knowing the NYR, we will probably sign a big name coach. Scotty Bowman anyone? I wish !!!
 
You guys need a Carlyle more than a Julien type coach imo. Tort , Julien sort of similiar styles, defensive oriented games.

What about Dallas Eakin from leafs farm system?? Has done a great job developing guys like Kadri, Gardiner

If you need a bigger name, Guy Boucher comes to mind. The guy got absolutely left to dry in Tampa not getting a proper goalie since he was coach there. Very good at letting the game "flow" and would solve your pp issues. Richards could be brought back to life also

My choice, but he isn't a "safe" bet because he doesn't have a ton of experience at the NHL level, he is a very creative guy though and knows how to milk an offense.
 
My biggest gripe coming into this season was that the team lost its identity. Now the architect of the identity built up over the last few years is gone which means the Rangers are basically building a new culture from scratch yet again, and to be honest they haven't really had an identity since before the 2004 lockout, way before. Anyone who didn't love last years team must not really like hockey or the Rangers that much, a team that fought and bled for each other and put team first over individual.

I don't know how any Ranger fan can genuinely feel that Torts deserved to go after a second round loss this season, and one season removed from an OT loss in game 6 of the Conference finals - the first conference finals appearance for the franchise since 1997. (That was before Glen Sather)

No training camp, Staal out for most of the year and the playoffs, Richards being Gomez, the heart of the team lost in the offseason without adequate replacement- Feds, Dubi, Prust. These are not the coaches fault.

Stability is the problem. There is none with this team. Except for one person, Glen Sather. I won't get into a rant about him but he's the one that needs to go plain and simple. 13 years OTJ and 1 conference finals appearance, what 3 second round appearances?

To me next season was the put up or shut up season, not this half b@stard of a season with half of a new roster, and then another half of a new roster again by the trade deadline. Say what you want about blocking shots, the PP, the inept offense, the line combos, because I really believe that most fans have forgotten the Renney years, let alone the Muckler years, and I almost vomit at mentioning the Trottier year.

This won't be a magic wand wiping away all of the flaws of this poorly constructed team, regardless of what those flaws may have been. It could get worse before it gets better.

Edit:

One more thing, Sather was behind the bench before the 2004 lockout. Right before he blew the team up. Should've been fired then and there.

:handclap::handclap::handclap:
 
Hey this question is for Ola, BBKers or any of you Euro hockey fans. Is there any coach in the SEL or any Euro league who would make a good NHL coach. I wouldn't mind a totally fresh approach and a new face. Not the same old coaching carousel. Maybe a top minor league coach.

Knowing the NYR, we will probably sign a big name coach. Scotty Bowman anyone? I wish !!!

I asked this same question earlier. Here is an answer I got. I don't know anything about European coaches so this is but a starting point for me.

There are many , same with junior and collegiate hockey. Ulf Dalhlen, Samuelsson, Krupp, Bengt A Gustaffson, Ronnqvist, Laxdal, Lowry, Allain, Arena, Bennett are just a few.
 
You guys need a Carlyle more than a Julien type coach imo. Tort , Julien sort of similiar styles, defensive oriented games.

What about Dallas Eakin from leafs farm system?? Has done a great job developing guys like Kadri, Gardiner

If you need a bigger name, Guy Boucher comes to mind. The guy got absolutely left to dry in Tampa not getting a proper goalie since he was coach there. Very good at letting the game "flow" and would solve your pp issues. Richards could be brought back to life also

The big question would be could he handle the pressure of coaching in NY and the media.
 
AV's biggest problem is adjustments from game 2 game. Other then that he is a great coach
 
My biggest gripe coming into this season was that the team lost its identity. Now the architect of the identity built up over the last few years is gone which means the Rangers are basically building a new culture from scratch yet again, and to be honest they haven't really had an identity since before the 2004 lockout, way before. Anyone who didn't love last years team must not really like hockey or the Rangers that much, a team that fought and bled for each other and put team first over individual.

I don't know how any Ranger fan can genuinely feel that Torts deserved to go after a second round loss this season, and one season removed from an OT loss in game 6 of the Conference finals - the first conference finals appearance for the franchise since 1997. (That was before Glen Sather)

No training camp, Staal out for most of the year and the playoffs, Richards being Gomez, the heart of the team lost in the offseason without adequate replacement- Feds, Dubi, Prust. These are not the coaches fault.

Stability is the problem. There is none with this team. Except for one person, Glen Sather. I won't get into a rant about him but he's the one that needs to go plain and simple. 13 years OTJ and 1 conference finals appearance, what 3 second round appearances?

To me next season was the put up or shut up season, not this half b@stard of a season with half of a new roster, and then another half of a new roster again by the trade deadline. Say what you want about blocking shots, the PP, the inept offense, the line combos, because I really believe that most fans have forgotten the Renney years, let alone the Muckler years, and I almost vomit at mentioning the Trottier year.

This won't be a magic wand wiping away all of the flaws of this poorly constructed team, regardless of what those flaws may have been. It could get worse before it gets better.

Edit:

One more thing, Sather was behind the bench before the 2004 lockout. Right before he blew the team up. Should've been fired then and there.

excellent sir excellent, close thread now!!
 
wait.. what? Zubov was hanging with the wrong crowd down in Brooklyn, that's what got him a ticket out of town.

Messier and Campbell would always criticize Zubov for being too soft. Zubov opted to get surgery instead of playing through injury and Messier got pissed.
 
My biggest gripe coming into this season was that the team lost its identity. Now the architect of the identity built up over the last few years is gone which means the Rangers are basically building a new culture from scratch yet again, and to be honest they haven't really had an identity since before the 2004 lockout, way before. Anyone who didn't love last years team must not really like hockey or the Rangers that much, a team that fought and bled for each other and put team first over individual.

I don't know how any Ranger fan can genuinely feel that Torts deserved to go after a second round loss this season, and one season removed from an OT loss in game 6 of the Conference finals - the first conference finals appearance for the franchise since 1997. (That was before Glen Sather)

No training camp, Staal out for most of the year and the playoffs, Richards being Gomez, the heart of the team lost in the offseason without adequate replacement- Feds, Dubi, Prust. These are not the coaches fault.

Stability is the problem. There is none with this team. Except for one person, Glen Sather. I won't get into a rant about him but he's the one that needs to go plain and simple. 13 years OTJ and 1 conference finals appearance, what 3 second round appearances?

To me next season was the put up or shut up season, not this half b@stard of a season with half of a new roster, and then another half of a new roster again by the trade deadline. Say what you want about blocking shots, the PP, the inept offense, the line combos, because I really believe that most fans have forgotten the Renney years, let alone the Muckler years, and I almost vomit at mentioning the Trottier year.

This won't be a magic wand wiping away all of the flaws of this poorly constructed team, regardless of what those flaws may have been. It could get worse before it gets better.

Edit:

One more thing, Sather was behind the bench before the 2004 lockout. Right before he blew the team up. Should've been fired then and there.

Well said.
 
Yeah, and maybe the coach is saying something asinine, or just being a POS in general?

The two aren't mutually exlcusive. Blame is on both.

That being said, if you lose Lundqvist...yea, you're not gonna be here very long.

ding ding

A great player doesn't necessarily mean he would be a great coach. Trottier and Gretzky for example.

Please don't swear (the T word) on here, there are children about!

Been asking for this day for a long long time. Thank heavens.

Be careful what you wish for. I think a change was needed, however, I'm scared to death of who we might hire.
 
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