Pre-Game Talk: Toronto VS Edmonton (saturday game)

[Drytoast]

Babcock refused to play Holl and sat him for almost an entire season.

I guess Babcock saw something in Holl that you..... the forum poster who doesn't watch practice, know the dressing room or have scouted each player, knows.

Babcock? The same guy who sat Spezza? Told Marner the team hated him? Wouldn't put Marner and Matthews together? And relied on Gardiner, Polak, and Marincin?

That Babcock?

What's our record right now? Didn't Keefe just win or tie the record for quickest coach to 100W? Relying on Holl in tight situations...?

 

[LeafSteel]

Imagine players actually growing as players, and improving over time.

Imagine holding up Babcock of proof of much... I mean, he overplayed Marleau at times... game 6 in 2019, when he played him more than Marner.. Tavares...

The bolded is a great point! Let's share it with Keefe and tell him to apply it to Liljegren too, because I just don't see it happening......

....... and yes, Babcock definitely had his douchie moments, but I will take him and his assessment of player talent over any poster in this Forum.

 

[Oilers in NS]

Hoping Soupy is getting the start...

nope, Skinner

 

[ACC1224]

The bolded is a great point! Let's share it with Keefe and tell him to apply it to Liljegren too, because I just don't see it happening......

....... and yes, Babcock definitely had his douchie moments, but I will take him and his assessment of player talent over any poster in this Forum.

The whole premise is just f***ed. Basing everything on the fact a guy sees the ice in the last minute.
Does that mean Engvall/Kerfoot has always been seen as more valuable than Nylander?

 

[LeafSteel]

Babcock? The same guy who sat Spezza? Told Marner the team hated him? Yes, he had his dick moments, like everyone else.

Wouldn't put Marner and Matthews together? Pretty sure your hero Captain Keefe did that as well, and we had 2 lines playing well when he did.

And relied on Gardiner, Polak, and Marincin? What did his D-core look like, and pretty sure we were hollering at Keefe to stop playing Marincin too, no?

That Babcock?

What's our record right now? Didn't Keefe just win or tie the record for quickest coach to 100W? Relying on Holl in tight situations...? So, our record is directly attributable to the amazing Keefe and Hollsy? Our Big 4 and other players have nothing to do with it, it's all the Supreme Keefe & Hollsy that we have any success? Ok then.... I get it, Keefe is amazers and Holl is amazers too, and neither of them have anything to do with us not winning a 1st round, they are obviously part of the solution and not part of the problem. Got it.....

 

[therealkoho]

If you have any way of watching a replay of the Oils game v the Bs watch it. It was a true heavyweight battle, the Bs had next to nothing left in the the third, the Oilers had just enough. Lots of hitting and a ton of hard skating

That's how we need to play to have a better than even chance to beat the Oil, outlast them.

 

[Nhlpowerweek]

Its not like Tavares is going to counter oilers' speed either

I don't mind Simmonds in gotta protect assets (like JT) until playoffs start. First hit on JT was a clear head hunting, 2nd hit on JT was stupid on JT; he should have kept his head up



Cup(s) over everything man!!!

Like I have in numerous cases written down here and provided the evidense...... simmonds is the right hand of tavares. Together they still lead. Even though simmy doesnt play that often anymore. It doesnt matter.
Simmonds and tavvy (together) invite other players to the cabin. Where they get together and handle bidness. Go through the season. Thats key

Where was simmonds when tavares played his 1000th game? It was tavares, who wanted his right man to be there right by side him. And simmonds played.

Simmy brings that talk and leadness. Now he will even protect tavvy. Errrrhthan works. And simmonds is there. Cause tavares wants him to be.

 

[Notsince67]

Wonder how often McDavid has gone pointless in back to back games?

This year?
Just once. he is due for a few more

 

[Notsince67]

Wait...what?

 

[stickty111]

Babcock refused to play Holl and sat him for almost an entire season.

I guess Babcock saw something in Holl that you..... the forum poster who doesn't watch practice, know the dressing room or have scouted each player, knows.

I mean Holl is a fine NHL player. Just because Keefe overplays him doesn't mean Babcock was right.
Lets not make Holl into a worse player. He's an NHL player.

The bolded is a great point! Let's share it with Keefe and tell him to apply it to Liljegren too, because I just don't see it happening......

....... and yes, Babcock definitely had his douchie moments, but I will take him and his assessment of player talent over any poster in this Forum.

At the same time, I'll take Keefe's opinion over any user on this board. If Keefe plays him a lot, theres probably a reason for it.

 

[sxvnert]

11/7 is the worst of both worlds. You're better off going with 10/8 to keep pairings proper and rolling a pair of D up front whenever you need the fourth line out.

 

[Notsince67]

Holl is better than Lilli. We've explored this in the other thread. Every time we've won protecting a 1 goal lead, Holl and whomever is put on the ice in the final minutes with the net pulled to close it out.

Could Lilli do that? Maybe? But maybe not.

At best you will only get the same.

But I hope it irks you that you have to give props to Holl for being a great "closer" since we are a top 5 team this season...and he's to blame for that.

Not even in the multiverse

 

[Fogelhund]

if you thin Gm 6 OT loss is not on Holl then we see game very differently

So you admit you were wrong on the other two claims? Your preference would have been to let Hagel have a clear drive to the net with nobody covering him then? So Holl isn't supposed to take an open guy, but just cover his guy? No, that's not how it works, Holl switches to cover the open guy driving the net, another player takes his spot.

 

[PromisedLand]

So you admit you were wrong on the other two claims? Your preference would have been to let Hagel have a clear drive to the net with nobody covering him then? So Holl isn't supposed to take an open guy, but just cover his guy? No, that's not how it works, Holl switches to cover the open guy, another player takes his spot.

No. Game 6 Holl's job as a D-man is not to go skating around and collapse and cover the net front. Hockey Defense Basics 101. Holl screwed the Leafs in Game 6 OT


after game 4 every fan and media called out keefe on holl's inclusion in the game

game 7 holl took a moronic interference penalty that I called sitting at home even before the ref did. i was yelling at holl to not be a moron just before he took that penalty and JT's goal didn't count.

like i said it seems we view games differently. you seem to view it with the lens of supporting keefe/dubas

i view it with the lens of supporting Leafs

 

[LeafSteel]

I mean Holl is a fine NHL player. Just because Keefe overplays him doesn't mean Babcock was right.
Lets not make Holl into a worse player. He's an NHL player.


At the same time, I'll take Keefe's opinion over any user on this board. If Keefe plays him a lot, theres probably a reason for it.

Absolutely, we need to prioritize the development of 31 year old UFA Justin Holl over the development of 23 year old Jiljegren, 23 year Sandin, and 24 year old Timmins now....

Holl is fine left as the 3RHD, but we know that that's not how Keefe uses him. It's not Holl's fault that he is being put into a role that he doesn't belong in. That I put squarely on Keefe. Adding to it that Keefe does it at the expense of our younger Defenders, and it just makes it worse all around.

We berate Babcock for how he played the veterans and seemed blind to developing and playing our younger players who were a part of the long-term plan, yet Keefe gets a free pass for his own biases and narrow vision.

At least call it both ways, rather than point to one and ignore the other.

 

[Fonzieleaf]

So you admit you were wrong on the other two claims? Your preference would have been to let Hagel have a clear drive to the net with nobody covering him then? So Holl isn't supposed to take an open guy, but just cover his guy? No, that's not how it works, Holl switches to cover the open guy, another player takes his spot.

All he had to do was lift Point's stick and that wouldn't have been a goal. Could've been a different and more favourable outcome that game.

 

[therealkoho]

Wait...what?

Going to go 11-7

Simmonds or ZAR, no other choices

 

[1specter]

Keefe confirms 11-7 and looks like Holl is playing? Guess Schenn is taking more time at home

 

[Racer88]

If you have any way of watching a replay of the Oils game v the Bs watch it. It was a true heavyweight battle, the Bs had next to nothing left in the the third, the Oilers had just enough. Lots of hitting and a ton of hard skating

That's how we need to play to have a better than even chance to beat the Oil, outlast them.

Do you see that kind of effort out of our guys?

 

[Gilmour1996]

I don't mind seeing Gus but any Rielly/Gus pairings will be an adventure. Two of our best players this year Tavares/Bunting on a broken up line? 7 D again? Going to have to start calling the coach Sheldon O'Keefe after the ale if he doesn't smarten up.

 

[Racer88]

Keefe confirms 11-7 and looks like Holl is playing? Guess Schenn is taking more time at home

Does anyone know if they have had the kid yet

 

[therealkoho]

Do you see that kind of effort out of our guys?

I've seen it and when I have, its a beautiful thing

 

[Racer88]

I've seen it and when I have, its a beautiful thing

Agreed, I just want to see it more often

 

[therealkoho]

Does anyone know if they have had the kid yet

Not announced anywhere as far as I know

 

[saltming]

If you have any way of watching a replay of the Oils game v the Bs watch it. It was a true heavyweight battle, the Bs had next to nothing left in the the third, the Oilers had just enough. Lots of hitting and a ton of hard skating

That's how we need to play to have a better than even chance to beat the Oil, outlast them.

It was a good game. I'm hoping that we wear out the Bruins like that in the 2nd round