PocketNines
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It's like they think we cannot hear them analyze their own players
Proposal: Toronto-St.Louis
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Seriously. It’s so clueless and self-serving at the same time, kind of like how that franchise is being ran…
PocketNines
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This is transparently a way to spend Marner to get some coveted elite young player. In this thread it is Kyrou, under the ostensible auspices of being all about Tarasenko. In a thread made yesterday, the OP tried to spend Marner & Reilly to pry Byram out of Colorado. Also with no regard to Colorado's cap. Their fans feel similarly to the thought put in.
Now we have to hear about how we're disrespecting Marner by saying how highly the Blues prize Kyrou. Kyrou at 2.8M for two years for the Blues is so hugely valuable that while I said 2 first round picks as a minimum the truth is the guy is off the table.
I'm not trying to pawn him to anyone. If I was trading Marner, it wouldn't be for Kyrou. Irrespective of the cap. I'm all for crapping on Marner for his underperformance to start the season but some people are just flat out blind if they don't think that a guy like Marner who is a superstar level player in the league doesn't measure up to some run of the mill prospect who still hasn't managed to lockdown a top 6 spot on a team that hasn't exactly been stellar offensively these past few years.
Taking cap into consideration, your reason is valid that realistically speaking that trade probably wouldn't happen. But some of the takes here saying Kyrou >> Marner or Kyrou is worth at least 2 first round picks are just out to lunch. I guess enjoy him for his 2.8 mil cap hit right now. He'll be an overpaid $6 mil middle 6 guy in no time. Or people pretending like Tarasenko has some crazy high value after being exposed in the draft and management was basically trying to get rid of him just because he's off to a hot start after 4 straight underwhelming seasons.
PocketNines
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This is what I love about the Toronto proposals. Their perpetually disgruntled fans want to dump their overpaid guys and get new shinier cheaper ones. They target players who haven't yet become stars in the league, but who they believe are on the cusp.
But the rule is the fans of the team that has that player cannot be aware their guy is on the cusp.
Yesterday one such fan identified Kyrou on the Blues and Byram on the Avs. Pretty good choices!
The bolded evaluation of Kyrou is as laughable as Leaf fans throwing jerseys on the ice
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I take it you know nothing of Kyrou outside of stats. He's a young player in his second year who is still progressing nicely after he hit a wall his first NHL season, like a lot of young prospects do. So I'd 100% take Kyrou at a 6mil "overpaid" player, when I can get another 5mil "overpaid" player as well.
On the Tarasenko point. It's kinda hard to have a great couple years when you have a surgery on your shoulder that kept you out for over 55% of the games. And two of those four years he still had over 30 goal/65 point seasons and a Stanley Cup, it's not exactly surprising that one he's finally healthy again he picks back up at a 20-30 goal pace again.
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Much like his contract, if the Blues wants to acquire Marner's elite secondary assist and his clutch "2 goals in his last 3 playoff series" for their potential future playoff runs, then they'll have to overpay, at least that should be case as long as "we can and we will" is in charge.
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How many games have you ever watched Tarasenko play, either when he was good, hurt, or this year? Assume not many since you called him one dimensional. If you have watched you’d know that yes his value has raise from the summer of question marks.
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If the leafs want to move Marner. They’re either going to have to dump him for futures or take a similar player to him with a similar cap hit.
Any trade in which the perceived value of Marner is matched with the cap hit being similar with + and - to both teams decimates the other teams depth. I know depth isn’t a priority to Dubas seeing as how he so poorly handled the cap in Toronto. But it does manage to other teams who haven’t been planning for seasons to work around guys eating 15% of the cap each to play with eachother.
Any trade in which the perceived value of Marner is matched with the cap hit being similar with + and - to both teams decimates the other teams depth. I know depth isn’t a priority to Dubas seeing as how he so poorly handled the cap in Toronto. But it does manage to other teams who haven’t been planning for seasons to work around guys eating 15% of the cap each to play with eachother.
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Lmao I've missed these leafs - blues trades since the parayko for Nylander days.
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We get the privilege of paying Reilly 8M+ next year in the deal. You must have missed that part haha.
BlueBaron
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I think we would be open to trading Marner but I have to think a substantial d with term is the ask back, especially if Morgan is going to.
Not an ideal trading partner.
Not an ideal trading partner.
The value is mostly there, but this doesn't move the needle at all for St. Louis. We need a DEFENSIVE LHD. Rielly is the opposite. We already have arguably too many PMD. Marner to me has always gotten a bad rep. He's a really dynamic forward who is a gamebreaker. The playoff issue is just a narrative that people pretend will never change. Oshie was a playoff ghost until he was amazing in the playoffs in the Caps Cup run. The rub with any team trading for him is the contract. Kyrou isn't as good as Marner, but he's a better fit in our cap for a lot of what Marner brings. Watching him at times last year and so far this year, he's becoming a serious playmaking winger. Take into account the cap hits and Rielly being a rental, it just doesn't make a bit of sense for us to do.
The best team is the team that spends to the cap and gets the most bang for their buck, overall. Thus, players like Kyrou and Perron become more valuable than most so-called superstars when you factor in contracts, thus... the superstar, being paid like one, shouldn't actually have more value in a trade (obviously a guy on the last year of his deal changes that).
Basically, kinda like fantasy sports. It doesn't matter how much the best player is priced at. He still has to return value. And if there's a player that's nearly as good but with way less salary, then... it's a mistake to not choose that player over "the better one."
Basically, kinda like fantasy sports. It doesn't matter how much the best player is priced at. He still has to return value. And if there's a player that's nearly as good but with way less salary, then... it's a mistake to not choose that player over "the better one."
