Toronto Sports Media Discussion Thread - v7 (2022 Edition)

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This thread is turning into a litany of complaints by Leafs Fans about anyone who's in hockey media. Why do people see constructive criticism as "hating" ?

Do you just want cheerleaders reporting on hockey?

Criticism is important. It means they care and that they respect the game.

When you go to a restaurant is everything good on the menu? It probably isn't. You might like the way they cook a steak, but maybe they fall short on the poached salmon.

Not every game by the Dallas Cowboys is a masterpiece. Sometimes the running game suffers, and sometimes the pass protection just wasn't there.

You don't have to love every hockey personality, but this board's specialty is to hate all of them!

Why can't you just see that they sometimes care about the Leafs as much as you do.
I just feel like there is no one anyone likes whether on radio or podcast. No one is happy with anyone. A lot of the American sports shows have over the top hosts and that works for them. Here it seems to annoy people and nothing makes anyone happy. Maybe it’s just society and everyone will always complain about something.


Pat Macafe was talking about hockey and majority of posters on HF were hating on the Pat. They wanted hockey not to be associated with him. That is a popular show and if hockey is going to grow in the states that is great to see the pat Macafee show talking about hockey.
 

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I feel like they ruined the Bourne and Kyper show.

Last year I listened more as the season went on and liked the show overall.

This year, it's been bad. For one, they seemed more focused on bringing on guests as the focus of the show and it turns into a reminiscing exercise rather than analysis.

Second, they've added a third guy for some reason. Don't know who he is, don't care. He doesn't help.
 

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Last year I listened more as the season went on and liked the show overall.

This year, it's been bad. For one, they seemed more focused on bringing on guests as the focus of the show and it turns into a reminiscing exercise rather than analysis.

Second, they've added a third guy for some reason. Don't know who he is, don't care. He doesn't help.
It's only been 3 games. Not a lot of content to report on for now...
 

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Last year I listened more as the season went on and liked the show overall.

This year, it's been bad. For one, they seemed more focused on bringing on guests as the focus of the show and it turns into a reminiscing exercise rather than analysis.

Second, they've added a third guy for some reason. Don't know who he is, don't care. He doesn't help.
Ya I like Sammy but he shouldn't be talking so much. He's just another fan. He has no insight.
 

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Last year I listened more as the season went on and liked the show overall.

This year, it's been bad. For one, they seemed more focused on bringing on guests as the focus of the show and it turns into a reminiscing exercise rather than analysis.

Second, they've added a third guy for some reason.
Don't know who he is, don't care. He doesn't help.
The reason being, he was liked so much so he got a bigger role than just being the producer who gave the occasional comment.

And I agree, Sammy is great.
 

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The reason being, he was liked so much so he got a bigger role than just being the producer who gave the occasional comment.

And I agree, Sammy is great.
I don't mind Sammy.

They put the 3rd guy in the show just like Tim & Friends had a guy in the same chair Sammy sits now.
 

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Yeah and when they had Hockey Central at noon with Kyper & MacLean.

At least now on Kyper & Bourne they have MacLean on Fridays for a hilarious segment called "Off the Rails". MacLean never disappoints.

Anyone remember the argument with McCown and MacLean, it was during the early days of Coyotes saga where MacLean was involved in some consulting for Balsillie who was trying to buy and relocate them. It was an epic battle on live radio.


Kypper and Bourne is largely unlistenable and especially when that blowhard is on. Absolute waste of resources having those blowhards on live radio
 

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Overdrive is becoming unlistenable when ODog is on. Sounds like a chump who couldn’t pass grade 10 math

I just feel like there is no one anyone likes whether on radio or podcast. No one is happy with anyone. A lot of the American sports shows have over the top hosts and that works for them. Here it seems to annoy people and nothing makes anyone happy. Maybe it’s just society and everyone will always complain about something.


Pat Macafe was talking about hockey and majority of posters on HF were hating on the Pat. They wanted hockey not to be associated with him. That is a popular show and if hockey is going to grow in the states that is great to see the pat Macafee show talking about hockey.
I have patmac on in the background while working from home daily. The exposure that show is giving the sport is worth it’s weight in gold
 
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I remember when SNET got the rights and one of their first panels was Kypreos, MacLean, and Damien Cox early in October. I knew the network didn't get what the viewers wanted from the hop and it's been by and large the same since. Some good voices there but everything from attempts at humour or attempts a conflict seem so contrived, when great TV or radio should flow and feel organic.
 
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Last year I listened more as the season went on and liked the show overall.

This year, it's been bad. For one, they seemed more focused on bringing on guests as the focus of the show and it turns into a reminiscing exercise rather than analysis.

Second, they've added a third guy for some reason. Don't know who he is, don't care. He doesn't help.
We’re listening to different shows I guess. I’ve been listening to them over Overdrive lately although I always default back to the boys.
 

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Overdrive is becoming unlistenable when ODog is on. Sounds like a chump who couldn’t pass grade 10 math


I have patmac on in the background while working from home daily. The exposure that show is giving the sport is worth it’s weight in gold
He won’t drive one new fan to hockey. Not that hockey fans are sophisticated, but that’s intentionally a low IQ show.
 
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I remember when SNET got the rights and one of their first panels was Kypreos, MacLean, and Damien Cox early in October. I knew the network didn't get what the viewers wanted from the hop and it's been by and large the same since. Some good voices there but everything from attempts at humour or attempts a conflict seem so contrived, when great TV or radio should flow and feel organic.
Rogers probably wishes every day that they could have a do-over on that whole 12 year NHL rights debacle...

Remember the massive multi level studio, the 4 separate panels covering the trade deadline or free agency... Heck I think Bob McCown was on one of those, which he kept saying for years how he hated it,

I am curious what will happen when this rights deal ends, and who will be the third or even fourth player. I don't think it will be another traditional tv network, CBC by that point will not have any money to bid on the rights, so it will probably be some online streaming services.
 
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Not a lot of content to report on for now...

Come on, I'd buy that argument in maybe mid August, but not in October.

As for Sammy, I'll keep listening and maybe I'll come around. Just seems the dynamic of last season is missing or something.
 

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Rogers probably wishes every day that they could have a do-over on that whole 12 year NHL rights debacle...

Remember the massive multi level studio, the 4 separate panels covering the trade deadline or free agency... Heck I think Bob McCown was on one of those, which he kept saying for years how he hated it,

I am curious what will happen when this rights deal ends, and who will be the third or even fourth player. I don't think it will be another traditional tv network, CBC by that point will not have any money to bid on the rights, so it will probably be some online streaming services.
It’ll be a bidding war between Bell and Rogers right? There’s no other media companies with the pockets for it in this country, CBC couldn’t afford it last time and it’s further out of reach coming up. I doubt the price of the rights goes backwards.

Can Rogers afford to lose the national rights? They’ve got the Jays beyond it but not much else? What would they fill their airtime with?

Expect the same deal with CBC simulcasting with whichever company. And Ron MacLean to host.

If it’s TSN HNIC gets its theme song back.
 
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It’ll be a bidding war between Bell and Rogers right? There’s no other media companies with the pockets for it in this country, CBC couldn’t afford it last time and it’s further out of reach coming up. I doubt the price of the rights goes backwards.

Can Rogers afford to lose the national rights? They’ve got the Jays beyond it but not much else? What would they fill their airtime with?

Expect the same deal with CBC simulcasting with whichever company. And Ron MacLean to host.

If it’s TSN HNIC gets its theme song back.

Absent an over the top offer - like the $5.2b Rogers threw at them last time - I wonder whether the NHL tries to divide the rights up among more than one outlet like they do in the US and like the NFL does. Obviously, the scheduling is different but they could probably make a separate deal for Saturday nights alone, and then another for the other days of the week. A streamer might want in, but may prefer getting in the door in the US market as opposed to Canada, even if hockey has more of an audience here relative to the overall population the total number in the US has the potential to reach more eyeballs and subscribers.

It'll be interesting next time around because Rogers really did overshoot the moon with their offer and with how revenue works in that industry now, I find it hard to believe the NHL actually does top the last deal, at least in terms of a gross sum. Hard to believe there are only 3 years left on it, including this one.

I believe HNIC is still a CBC property licensed to Rogers for the purposes of having CBC air the games as well (among other reasons) so a deal with another rights holder would be contingent on CBC doing the same with them (they shouldn't, by the way the CBC should be out of the professional hockey business as a matter of principle).
 

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Absent an over the top offer - like the $5.2b Rogers threw at them last time - I wonder whether the NHL tries to divide the rights up among more than one outlet like they do in the US and like the NFL does. Obviously, the scheduling is different but they could probably make a separate deal for Saturday nights alone, and then another for the other days of the week. A streamer might want in, but may prefer getting in the door in the US market as opposed to Canada, even if hockey has more of an audience here relative to the overall population the total number in the US has the potential to reach more eyeballs and subscribers.

It'll be interesting next time around because Rogers really did overshoot the moon with their offer and with how revenue works in that industry now, I find it hard to believe the NHL actually does top the last deal, at least in terms of a gross sum. Hard to believe there are only 3 years left on it, including this one.

I believe HNIC is still a CBC property licensed to Rogers for the purposes of having CBC air the games as well (among other reasons) so a deal with another rights holder would be contingent on CBC doing the same with them (they shouldn't, by the way the CBC should be out of the professional hockey business as a matter of principle).
You wonder if pride comes in to it. They are fierce competitors that seem to increasingly be waging a public relations war against each other. National NHL rights is the single crown jewel of broadcasting in this country. Big bragging rights, which fairly obviously was Rogers motivation last go.

Although I do wonder, that said, if it was “worth it” for Rogers. I don’t know any numbers, but as I get it the feeling is they have taken a financial wash on the deal. But they were a distant second fiddle to TSN, SN, as a sports broadcaster, back then. They aren’t any more right? They closed the gap, now it’s just we have two all sports networks.

Splitting it up is interesting. Here’s another toss a it. Rogers and Bell already have numbered equal partnership company that owns the majority stake of the Leafs, does that beast, or a separate similar arrangement, because I’d suppose nobody wants the Leafs to own national rights, do a joint bid? That might get them to a financially viable price mutually. Again, as much as the last rights deal was an overpayment, I can’t see it going down 12 years later. Sports remains the biggest advertising draw as must see TV, more so now then ever.

I don’t think we are there yet, or in three years, as a country for national NHL rights streaming somewhere. Not viable yet, for as much grieve as the Bettman NHL gets for being “anti-Canada”, they are conscious of the national importance of hockey in Canada.
 
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Overdrive has lacked serious hockey analysis for years now. The show is 3 hours long and you’re lucky to get 5 minutes discussing the Leafs.

Kyper&Bourne stepped in and used a significant portion of their hour long show last year to actually cover the Leafs. It was a breath of fresh air. It hasn’t felt the same so far this season.
 

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I am curious what will happen when this rights deal ends, and who will be the third or even fourth player. I don't think it will be another traditional tv network, CBC by that point will not have any money to bid on the rights, so it will probably be some online streaming services.
I think the best and most reasonable solution would be for both Rogers and Bell to split the rights. I just can't see Rogers coming in with an offer again like they did to secure the rights, and Bell I'm sure has taken note on the money Rogers has surely bled on the whole thing. They are lucky Rogers outbid their $5 billion offer.

Worst part is, with no competition, Rogers has put out a subpar product from Day 1, and now in their 10th year, the product somehow has gotten worse despite the advances in technology. They provide nothing appealing to draw you in, a game on any day of the week has the same feel to it (including HNiC) and the host of panelists they have is amateurish outside of MacLean, Friedman and Hrudey.

Bell desperately needs games to get back to national exposure. Their analysts (Dreger is particular) have taken a huge hit and are an afterthought. The CFL, tennis majors and 2-week WJCs can only take them so far.

Split the weekday games, collaborate with CBC to park the Saturday night games there still as per 60-year tradition, and find new ways to capitalize and monetize the digital landscape.
 
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Overdrive has lacked serious hockey analysis for years now. The show is 3 hours long and you’re lucky to get 5 minutes discussing the Leafs.
I keep saying it, but Bryan Hayes the potential to be a huge star in the Canadian market. He's young, knowledgable, and has the right voice for the industry. I get the whole schtick of being with your good buddies and just shooting the shit for 3 hours a day (although O'Neill and Noodles seem like d-bags that I'd personally not want to be friends with), and they've done a good job of becoming the #1 show in the market.

But seeing Hayes getting more time on SportsCentre discussing the Jays and hockey, makes me think he is finally expanding his talents and getting the exposure he deserves.
 

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Overdrive is becoming unlistenable when ODog is on. Sounds like a chump who couldn’t pass grade 10 math

Not to insult him specifically but I'd bet a lot of uber prospects couldn't. He was basically told since he was 14 you're going to the NHL and possibly as the #1 draft pick.

Honestly looking at my 15 year old self i'd be the same. IDGAF about learning algebra or calculous I'm going to be a millionaire when I turn 20.

Ask McDavid, Crosby, Lindros in a totally off the record totally private conversation. How much did you really care about your academics in the CHL.

Even more-so in the big 3 US sports when the money for rookies dwarfs the NHLs.. Get gifted a high school diploma and if I have to go to the NCAA I'm picking some fake degree, and flunk out the year I know I'm leaving.
 

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Overdrive has lacked serious hockey analysis for years now. The show is 3 hours long and you’re lucky to get 5 minutes discussing the Leafs.

Kyper&Bourne stepped in and used a significant portion of their hour long show last year to actually cover the Leafs. It was a breath of fresh air. It hasn’t felt the same so far this season.

It depends what you consider serious hockey analysis to be honest. As they say themselves they are "Team Eye Test". Not team analytics.....If you're looking for 100% Leaf coverage they why would Overdrive ever be your first choice anyways?

Like Wednesday was a non day after and a non game day show..... Why would you choose a show that is (supposed to be) a general sports talk to hear about the Leafs.

That's like complaining ESPN talk shows don't have enough hockey. Or there isn't enough Blue Jays and Raptors thread on the Leafs HFBoards. It's there but not a ton of it.
 
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Even more-so in the big 3 US sports when the money for rookies dwarfs the NHLs.. Get gifted a high school diploma and if I have to go to the NCAA I'm picking some fake degree, and flunk out the year I know I'm leaving.
I am sure that academics for US college stars in football and basketball are non-existent. Nobody is making the quarterback on Alabama or Oklahoma attend a class.
 

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