Toronto Sports Media Discussion Thread - v7 (2022 Edition)

[colchar]

Why do you think that of Siegel though, that’s the more concerning question. Everyone knows O is a clown

Because he is an arrogant little shit who thinks he is more important than anyone else.

Just one example:

He was on the show on day but arrived late. He blamed it on traffic and they got into a discussion of some app he uses. When he was asked simple questions like - did you use the app? Did you get here on time? Then why do you think the app helps you get to places on time? he just kept repeating himself and was unable to see that A) he was contradicting himself; and B) that his stupid app hadn't worked.

Hayes then asked him why he hadn't left earlier to factor in unexpected delays and Jonas went on to explain that he doesn't leave early or arrive anywhere early, and likes to arrive exactly on time. When asked why he went on about how his time was more important than other peoples. He is an arrogant little pissant.

 

[colchar]

Absolutely disgusted with the TSN panel today.

If you were listening, you’d have no idea we just set a franchise points record last year.

Who f***ing cares??? What did that get them? Hanging onto that so desperately is a loser attitude. The goal - the ONLY goal - is to win the Stanley Cup.

I don’t get upset about this stuff usually, but today was absolutely ridiculous. Constant venom to the point it was unprofessional.

No, it wasn't. It was warranted criticism.

 

[stealth1]

Absolutely disgusted with the TSN panel today.

If you were listening, you’d have no idea we just set a franchise points record last year. I don’t get upset about this stuff usually, but today was absolutely ridiculous. Constant venom to the point it was unprofessional.

Craig Button, the Overdrive guys, Poulin, Duthie, and Martin Biron were the worst offenders.

At one point Duthie said that Marty Biron has Toronto ranked last out of all the Canadian teams.

Couldn’t believe what I was hearing.

The goaltending is worse then last year and a wash at best. The bottom 6 is worse then last year. I don't see how they have improved at all. Unless you hope they Murray magically gets back to his Stanley Cup form.

 

[Peasy]

The goaltending is worse then last year and a wash at best. The bottom 6 is worse then last year. I don't see how they have improved at all. Unless you hope they Murray magically gets back to his Stanley Cup form.

Yeah but the point is, in terms of top contenders, which one actually got better? Avs and Lightning got worse, Panthers got worse, did the canes really get better when they just lost their 2C? Minny lost Fiala, Calgary lost gaudreau, STL lost Perron.

In terms of the top 10 finishing teams last year, I can only say NYR are better than they were going into last season.

Obviously teams did get better, but the ones that did I wouldn't say they definitely surpassed these teams. I would except Edmonton to probably crack the top 10 though.

 

[KingJoffrey]

Yeah they took the b2b champs (and cup finalists) to 7 games. Horrible team.

You're starting to sound like the media.

Is it embarrassing and horrible that they haven't won a playoff series yet? Of course it is. But to objectively say theyre a bad team aint it. The decade before Matthews were bad teams. This is a flawed team.

It's pretty weird to talk about media when James Mirtle (who btw is Kyle's bff) have been using his platform years to defend and promote Dubas in every situasion. First it was Lou who was at fault, then it was Babcock. After Babs it was Andersen who was at fault. But never have Mirtle wrote a word against his beloved pal Dubas.

It is time when media loses it and start to blame Dubas about this mess which he created. Nobody forced him to sign Tavares before three important RFA signings. And you can't accept losing when you have top 3 player in your team.

Dubas have built team what does good work in regular season against weak opponents. But when game gets tough his teams always fails. Nylander is peffect example. All the skills, but even game seven he plays like chicken. Scared.

 

[Peasy]

It's pretty weird to talk about media when James Mirtle (who btw is Kyle's bff) have been using his platform years to defend and promote Dubas in every situasion. First it was Lou who was at fault, then it was Babcock. After Babs it was Andersen who was at fault. But never have Mirtle wrote a word against his beloved pal Dubas.

It is time when media loses it and start to blame Dubas about this mess which he created. Nobody forced him to sign Tavares before three important RFA signings. And you can't accept losing when you have top 3 player in your team.

Dubas have built team what does good work in regular season against weak opponents. But when game gets tough his teams always fails. Nylander is peffect example. All the skills, but even game seven he plays like chicken. Scared.

Yeah thats not true lol. They play much better against the top teams in the NHL than they do the bottom ones.

And yeah, Nylander was a huge problem in the playoffs

 

[Brobust]

Kyper and Bourne is so bad. Those guys are mentally deficient.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Holy Mackinaw! Son of Leafs announcer Joe Bowen, begins broadcast career in Sudbury | CBC News

This September, the unmistakable voice of another Bowen will be ringing out across Ontario airwaves.

David Bowen, son of legendary Toronto Maple Leafs announcer Joe Bowen, will be calling the shots from the broadcaster's booth when the Sudbury Wolves of the Ontario Hockey League hit the ice for their 50th season.

Bowen, 22, is expected to provide play-by-play for more than 30 games in the Wolves' 68-game schedule on community radio station CKLU-FM.

It's a similar path that his father took. Joe Bowen honed his skills calling Wolves games in the 1970s on now-defunct CKSO, a community radio station based out of Sudbury, before landing a role with the Leafs.

The elder Bowen, who was born and raised in Sudbury, has called Leafs games since 1982, earning the moniker "the voice of the Maple Leafs."

"The 12-year-old me wouldn't believe that I'm pursuing the same career that my dad is in, but I'm enjoying every minute of it so far," Bowen said.

After a stint as goalie with the Sudbury Wolves of the Ontario Hockey League (OHL)– Bowen logged seven games with the Wolves between 2017-21– and an opportunity with the Laurentian University Voyageurs that never panned out.

The younger Bowen said he's ready to bring his own perspective to the game.

"My perspective of what goes on the ice is a little different than anyone that hasn't been in my position," Bowen said. "So I think that that gives me a bit of a leg up."

"The other thing is both me and my dad are goalies, and for some reason goalies tend to be the better broadcasters," he said. "All I've done my whole life is just watch the game unfold in front of me and I could tell you what's going to happen next, every time."

 

[Keep Sorokin Me Babe]

Now this is some great goalie analysis (on Samsonov and Murray). Much better than the BS spewed out by Noodles and Marty Biron, TSN's "goalie experts"

 

[Rude Dog]

Because he is an arrogant little shit who thinks he is more important than anyone else.

Just one example:

He was on the show on day but arrived late. He blamed it on traffic and they got into a discussion of some app he uses. When he was asked simple questions like - did you use the app? Did you get here on time? Then why do you think the app helps you get to places on time? he just kept repeating himself and was unable to see that A) he was contradicting himself; and B) that his stupid app hadn't worked.

Hayes then asked him why he hadn't left earlier to factor in unexpected delays and Jonas went on to explain that he doesn't leave early or arrive anywhere early, and likes to arrive exactly on time. When asked why he went on about how his time was more important than other peoples. He is an arrogant little pissant.

Interesting. I actually really like Siegel. I think he has an opinion, but is open to hearing and accepting other peoples thoughts as well. The more I hear him, the more I like him. I think he is well thought out for the most part. To me, he comes across as the exact opposite of arrogant. But that's me.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Now this is some great goalie analysis (on Samsonov and Murray). Much better than the BS spewed out by Noodles and Marty Biron, TSN's "goalie experts"

Thanks for posting this. Interesting that Murray was screwed by Ottawa’s physician. Easy to see why he and them fell out. Also good to know that the bones of any potential rebound season are there already.

I liked his final comment on Sanford our new goalie coach. Hopefully he can do for Samsonov what he did for Demko.

 

[stickty111]

Now this is some great goalie analysis (on Samsonov and Murray). Much better than the BS spewed out by Noodles and Marty Biron, TSN's "goalie experts"

Haven't listened yet but sounds like good info. Guys like Carlo Hayes Jeff saying "this guy is bad because he can't make saves". Great analysis guys. Thats the info I need. How about something more than that?

 

[3blizzard4]

I might have mentioned this before, but I am sick of hearing hosts referring to Michael DiStefano as Al's brother right to his face. Enough with this gag.

He is not Al's (the producer's) brother. Al left to CTV long time ago.

 

[stickty111]

It's shameful TSN crew like Overdrive and First up have said little about hockey Canada and everything happening there. I'm sure it's more important to talk about if Leafs should be banned from hockey for trading for Murray.

Yeah Carlo, not buying it. You were on the team so you should know something about it.

 

[LeafChief]

I find it odd that in a short tournament like the WJC where the players are together the entire time, a player would suggest that they didn't know that a team group sexual assault that was filmed occurred.

 

[garce]

It's shameful TSN crew like Overdrive and First up have said little about hockey Canada and everything happening there. I'm sure it's more important to talk about if Leafs should be banned from hockey for trading for Murray.

Yeah Carlo, not buying it. You were on the team so you should know something about it.

Oh boy, the old time hockey men are gonna melt down. Carlo is so dense that any kind of unawareness doesn’t surprise me, but when this shite goes on the whole room knows at least through gossip if not first hand.
Id hope with Westhead spearheading the stories TSN radio would talk about this in depth. But I doubt most will be brave enough to. I can barely listen at all anymore even overdrive, I don’t care about the various personalities personal golf games or wagering sagas. It’s abysmal and feels like the end of days for sports radio. I pretty much listen to podcasts exclusively now.

 

[tmlfan98]

Now this is some great goalie analysis (on Samsonov and Murray). Much better than the BS spewed out by Noodles and Marty Biron, TSN's "goalie experts"

Woodley and Steve Valiquette are the 2 best goalie analysts in the game at the moment and it's not close IMO.

 

[Nineteen67]

Did Simmons bury the lede in Simmons Sunday?

“Worth wondering about: Jon Elkin, the Maple Leafs goaltending guru, is a longtime associate of hockey pariah David Frost. When Frost was banned from OHL arenas, he was known to sign in as a scout using Elkin’s name, who at the time was a part-time scout with the Flames”

I don’t know the background and hopefully it’s just Steve reliving himself in the wind and Elkin distanced himself from Frost.

 

[francis246]

I find it odd that in a short tournament like the WJC where the players are together the entire time, a player would suggest that they didn't know that a team group sexual assault that was filmed occurred.

It is possible. I’m not defending them, but if you’ve played high level sport at any level, you’d understand not everyone is involved in toxic culture on a team. Not everyone is close, you maybe closer to some guys than others.

I’ve played high level sport and for a university in a sport as well as team Ontario. There are situations that happened on both where I had no idea about because I may have went to bed early, or I was out with a different group. We may not have even been aware until after disciplinary action had been taken.

We also have to understand in 2003, social media and phones were not what they are today. Group chats didn’t exist. It’s very possible many athletes on that team didn’t even have a cell phone at that time.

I think as a society, we need to stop assuming everyone is guilty. We need to take allegations very serious and address them immediately. The hockey Canada culture needs to be changed immediately. But it’s a joke that everyone jumps on here or Twitter and assumes guilt. That is equally f***ed up.

 

[LeafChief]

Did Simmons bury the lede in Simmons Sunday?

“Worth wondering about: Jon Elkin, the Maple Leafs goaltending guru, is a longtime associate of hockey pariah David Frost. When Frost was banned from OHL arenas, he was known to sign in as a scout using Elkin’s name, who at the time was a part-time scout with the Flames”

I don’t know the background and hopefully it’s just Steve reliving himself in the wind and Elkin distanced himself from Frost.

It's interesting. Simmons wrote an entire book on David Frost. Never brought up Elkin. Not he chooses to bring up Elkin.

It's almost as if Steve Simmons has an agenda?

 

[Nineteen67]

It's interesting. Simmons wrote an entire book on David Frost. Never brought up Elkin. Not he chooses to bring up Elkin.

It's almost as if Steve Simmons has an agenda?

That’s always possible with today’s media.

Haven't listened yet but sounds like good info. Guys like Carlo Hayes Jeff saying "this guy is bad because he can't make saves". Great analysis guys. Thats the info I need. How about something more than that?

If youre looking to an entertainment program for in depth analysis, that’s on you.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

To be honest, I'm not all that upset about Overdrive not speaking to the Hockey Canada scandal. None of those people - either the regulars or the summer fill-ins are in any way equipped to properly speak to, or contextualize the intricacies of trauma, sexual assault, or the structural barriers in the justice system and large organizations that victims of crime/assault/discrimination etc, face.

No matter where one stands on how you think Hockey Canada handled things - or any future consequences people should face - I don't need to hear Hayes or Noodles or any talking head try and clumsily talk about it. It's unfair to the story itself, and even unfair to Hayes et al to expect them to speak to these issues with a knowledge and seriousness they deserve.

Now, maybe they should hand off a segment to someone who can speak to it or have a special episode in the time slot with actual experts, but by and large I don't need people with the same understanding of these issues as an average poster here (I don't even say this as a shot, just an honest acknowledgement) trying to talk about it.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

To be honest, I'm not all that upset about Overdrive not speaking to the Hockey Canada scandal. None of those people - either the regulars or the summer fill-ins are in any way equipped to properly speak to, or contextualize the intricacies of trauma, sexual assault, or the structural barriers in the justice system and large organizations that victims of crime/assault/discrimination etc, face.

No matter where one stands on how you think Hockey Canada handled things - or any future consequences people should face - I don't need to hear Hayes or Noodles or any talking head try and clumsily talk about it. It's unfair to the story itself, and even unfair to Hayes et al to expect them to speak to these issues with a knowledge and seriousness they deserve.

Now, maybe they should hand off a segment to someone who can speak to it or have a special episode in the time slot with actual experts, but by and large I don't need people with the same understanding of these issues as an average poster here (I don't even say this as a shot, just an honest acknowledgement) trying to talk about it.

Yeah as much attention as the Hockey Canada scandal deserves I’m not sure any sports talking head in the mainstream is capable of talking about it, least of all the main OverDrive crew. Besides these guys being largely ignorant of these issues, I think they are all far too entrenched in the culture to be able to talk about this objectively. They’ve all played major junior and are likely on a first name basis with a lot of these Hockey Canada executives after years of being major media personalities and likely schmoozing alongside these people at many events.

 

[ColtsNLeafs]

Interested to see if Carlo Colaiacovo is on air tomorrow. Thought this was interesting

 

[francis246]

Interested to see if Carlo Colaiacovo is on air tomorrow. Thought this was interesting

I think in this case, if they have the video then they know who’s involved. It doesn’t get much simpler than that. If Carlo was involved I bet you Rick Westhead would have went right to upper management in TSN and express that Carlo should not be with the company at the moment. He works for TSN, they would listen. I doubt Carlo is involved, TSN would have taken action relatively quickly based on the intel Westhead probably has.