Toronto Maple Leafs: Who Would Replace Kyle Dubas?

[Dekes For Days]

Actually Mark Hunter did

Seems to be another guy on the right there. Seems pretty happy.

 

[Apex Predator]

I do think Dubas would have drafted Marner if Hunter wasn’t there.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Actually Mark Hunter did but Dubas did trade Kessel and retained money on his contract

Didn't he also trade Kadri for Barrie and Kerfoot and then we had to listen to Kadri = Kerfoot for a few years.

 

[capfit9]

Seems to be another guy on the right there. Seems pretty happy.

All leafs fans know who was running the draft when they were both co-gms not even close

I do think Dubas would have drafted Marner if Hunter wasn’t there.

we'll never know cause he didn't

 

[Dekes For Days]

All leafs fans know who was running the draft when they were both co-gms not even close

All Leaf fans also know that 4th overall picks aren't made unanimously, and we know that internal discussions were had about that pick that included the coach and certainly would have included the co-GM. If we're going to apply credit for picks to GMs, then Dubas gets credit for Marner, just like every other GM gets credit for their picks.

Funny as it is seeing people pretzel themselves trying to argue that Dubas wouldn't have picked a dynamic, high-skilled talent that was generally undervalued due to their size on his own.

 

[Apex Predator]

All Leaf fans also know that 4th overall picks aren't made unanimously, and we know that internal discussions were had about that pick that included the coach and certainly would have included the co-GM. If we're going to apply credit for picks to GMs, then Dubas gets credit for Marner, just like every other GM gets credit for their picks.

Funny as it is seeing people pretzel themselves trying to argue that Dubas wouldn't have picked a dynamic, high-skilled talent that was generally undervalued due to their size on his own.

That’s where me and you agree on something for once

 

[capfit9]

All Leaf fans also know that 4th overall picks aren't made unanimously, and we know that internal discussions were had about that pick that included the coach and certainly would have included the co-GM. If we're going to apply credit for picks to GMs, then Dubas gets credit for Marner, just like every other GM gets credit for their picks.

Though I do find it funny seeing people pretzel themselves trying to argue that Dubas wouldn't have picked a dynamic, high-skilled talent that was generally undervalued due to their size.

so you're telling me that Dubas' timeline starts with the Mitch Marner draft and yet he's not been able to get this uber talented team past the first round of the playoffs. hmmmm seems like a replacement level GM to me. funny how people move the timeline goal posts for Dubas.

 

[United35]

Not sure winning a round should save anyone’s job. ECF or bust

Change for the sake of change can come back to bite you. If no one is head and shoulders above him, that is able to detail a clear vision and path to a better product I say stick with him.

He’s young and he does seem to know a thing or two. Our loss will be someone else’s gain. I haven’t been a fan of sticking with his desire to stick with the bloated contract core, however, what if the deals that have been available were not good enough?

Had he made a major move with the core that resulted in the same or worse then perhaps we should consider it. But let’s just be careful what we wish for.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Interesting that with 34 and 88 up for renewal July 1st, the same day their NMC kicks in, they have chosen to keep their GM flying in the wind. No idea what their logic is. I mean this is the same guy that they would not allow Sakic to talk to and now they are risking the kid going to the highest bidder. Strange.

Yeah, strange.

 

[hamzarocks]

If leafs don't win a round this year he's going to not be employed at a GM capacity at the NHL level for a while

Will have to go be an AGM and earn back trust across the league

His tenure been incredibly disappaointing and at the sane time we've has great reg seasons

You can't keep a GM who hasn't been able to progress in the playoffs for half a decade, but even then dubas hasn't left us at a position where we have to rebuild. Have enough quality that we can retool which he gets props for

He and the team just need to deliver and not fold this year

 

[hotpaws]

Change for the sake of change can come back to bite you. If no one is head and shoulders above him, that is able to detail a clear vision and path to a better product I say stick with him.

He’s young and he does seem to know a thing or two. Our loss will be someone else’s gain. I haven’t been a fan of sticking with his desire to stick with the bloated contract core, however, what if the deals that have been available were not good enough?

Had he made a major move with the core that resulted in the same or worse then perhaps we should consider it. But let’s just be careful what we wish for.

if we get knocked out early again and Dubas is fired how would that be ''change for the sake of change?'' most sane people would feel replacing an underperforming employee is justified

it's truly remarkable how some of our fan based are so attached to Dubas that they feel regardless of how the team performs he should never be replaced and the best part is his fans actually believe they'd be a frenzy in the league with owners climbing over each other to hire him as GM , lol

i do however believe a self promoting bs'er like Dubas will eventually find another job just like Burke has been able too but he'll never walk into the type of situation that he came into here

 

[Dekes For Days]

so you're telling me that Dubas' timeline starts with the Mitch Marner draft and yet he's not been able to get this uber talented team past the first round of the playoffs. hmmmm seems like a replacement level GM to me

Dubas was interim GM for a few months in 2015, and then became the GM for good in 2018. Since then, he has built this team into a top tier, well-balanced team that has one of the best chances at the cup, despite managing through one of the most complicated eras in NHL history. Sounds pretty good to me.

 

[Gallagbi]

If Dubas leaves this fan base will still have a big divide. the only way to get the fans on the same page is win! Let’s hope it happens this year eitherwise it will be another year of back and forth between fans.

Too many naysayers for winning to unite at this point.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Eric Tulsky

Now we're talking

 

[Osmows OReilly]

Dubas was interim GM for a few months in 2015, and then became the GM for good in 2018. Since then, he has built this team into a top tier, well-balanced team that has one of the best chances at the cup, despite managing through one of the most complicated eras in NHL history. Sounds pretty good to me.

Calling the team “well-balanced” is quite a stretch, not to mention you ignore playoff results…

 

[WTFMAN99]

Dubas was interim GM for a few months in 2015, and then became the GM for good in 2018. Since then, he has built this team into a top tier, well-balanced team that has one of the best chances at the cup, despite managing through one of the most complicated eras in NHL history. Sounds pretty good to me.

Top tier teams win playoff series and to be considered a favourite for a cup, you need some track record of success in the post-season, zero series wins suggests we're not going to from from 0 series wins to 4 series wins this post-season.

Every GM is dealing with the pandemic stuff, no special gold stars for Dubas on that.

 

[Leaf Fans]

If Dubas leaves this fan base will still have a big divide. the only way to get the fans on the same page is win! Let’s hope it happens this year eitherwise it will be another year of back and forth between fans.

I don't think there will be a big divide. There will be different opinions as always, but life will gone on as usual for the fans with a new GM.

 

[Jozay]

I will do it

 

[capfit9]

Dubas was interim GM for a few months in 2015, and then became the GM for good in 2018. Since then, he has built this team into a top tier, well-balanced team that has one of the best chances at the cup, despite managing through one of the most complicated eras in NHL history. Sounds pretty good to me.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Probably Jake Muzzin in about 15 years after Dubas has done a good job of grooming him for the job

 

[thewave]

A potato would do. If not a potato, then I nominate Shananaplan himself.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Calling the team “well-balanced” is quite a stretch, not to mention you ignore playoff results…

It's very literally well balanced. Good offensively. Good defensively. Good goaltending. And I haven't ignored the playoffs. The issue is that some people want to ignore everything outside of playoff outcomes, put all of the blame for those playoff outcomes on Dubas, and essentially make management decisions on the basis of which way one bounce goes, with no consideration of context or how the team played, which is a horrible way to run a team.

Top tier teams win playoff series and to be considered a favourite for a cup, you need some track record of success in the post-season, zero series wins suggests we're not going to from from 0 series wins to 4 series wins this post-season. Every GM is dealing with the pandemic stuff, no special gold stars for Dubas on that.

Top tier teams sometimes win in the playoffs. Sometimes they don't. Contenders sometimes win in the playoffs. Sometimes they don't.
We're a top team and have a great chance to win this year.
Every GM deals with pandemic stuff, but to different extents.

Uh...what? What exactly do you think has been "flip flopped"? There's nothing to even flip flop. It's just verifiable dates that things happened.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

I have a feeling Dubas is coming back. There's no serious noise about possible replacements which one would expect the "insiders" to be feeding us a steady diet of by now.
If he doesn't stick around i don't expect Shanahan to be the one choosing his replacement.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It's very literally well balanced. Good offensively. Good defensively. Good goaltending. And I haven't ignored the playoffs. The issue is that some people want to ignore everything outside of playoff outcomes, put all of the blame for those playoff outcomes on Dubas, and essentially make management decisions on the basis of which way one bounce goes, with no consideration of context or how the team played, which is a horrible way to run a team.

Top tier teams sometimes win in the playoffs. Sometimes they don't. Contenders sometimes win in the playoffs. Sometimes they don't.
We're a top team and have a great chance to win this year.
Every GM deals with pandemic stuff, but to different extents.

Uh...what? What exactly do you think has been "flip flopped"? There's nothing to even flip flop. It's just verifiable dates that things happened.

Same BS is said every year and yet we're tied with Atlanta and Seattle for series wins since 05.

 

[capfit9]

It's very literally well balanced. Good offensively. Good defensively. Good goaltending. And I haven't ignored the playoffs. The issue is that some people want to ignore everything outside of playoff outcomes, put all of the blame for those playoff outcomes on Dubas, and essentially make management decisions on the basis of which way one bounce goes, with no consideration of context or how the team played, which is a horrible way to run a team.

Top tier teams sometimes win in the playoffs. Sometimes they don't. Contenders sometimes win in the playoffs. Sometimes they don't.
We're a top team and have a great chance to win this year.
Every GM deals with pandemic stuff, but to different extents.

Uh...what? What exactly do you think has been "flip flopped"? There's nothing to even flip flop. It's just verifiable dates that things happened.

we get it you have some unrequited crush on this guy that blinds you