Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] T.J. Brodie signs with the Maple Leafs (4 years, $5M AAV)

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So it's up to Frederik Andersen to keep the Leafs from being screwed?

Is Freddy that good in your eyes? Just want to make note of this.

Yes actually he is, and it’s so typical of Leafs Nation to blame their goalies when this team has never had a good defense core in front of him, to hell with that this team hasn’t had a good defense core ever. Yeah Frederik Andersen is a very good goalie and fans of other teams know he isn’t the problem here.
 
Yes actually he is, and it’s so typical of Leafs Nation to blame their goalies when this team has never had a good defense core in front of him, to hell with that this team hasn’t had a good defense core ever. Yeah Frederik Andersen is a very good goalie and fans of other teams know he isn’t the problem here.
Andersen has been the best Leafs Goalie since they had Ed Belfour. However the problem is he also let's some bad goals get past him on shots he should have saved, especially in the playoffs and it's something Bryan Hayes said during the TSN free agent frenzy show.
 
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Dubas better not be done, we need a gritty RHD. Weegar or Savard would be ideal.

Those are really tough to swing from a cap perspective as the Leafs are already over the cap without new contracts to Dermott/Mikheyev yet.

Even with Weeger, who should be cheaper than Savard, you're looking at moving 3 of AJ, Kerfoot, Dermott, Mikheyev, or Holl, with at least one of them being AJ or Kerfoot. If you're moving Kerfoot, there needs to be a better option for 3rd line C than Spezza over an 82 game season.
 
Even the hate from Habs and Sens fans has calmed down a lot.

But those Western teams you listed - it's like they hate the Leafs more than they cheer for their own team. Bizarre stuff.

Coming from the guy who trolls every Vancouver and Edmonton thread? That’s rich :laugh:
 
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You still miss the point do you? Maybe you didn't read the earlier parts of the discussion. The job of a 5/6 defenseman is to keep the puck out of the net. Period. Any offense that the defenseman might generate, just a bonus. The rubric for a 5/6 isn't how well they transition the puck, it's not zone entries, it's not offensive skills, or shooting abilities. It's not bad to have those things. But the entire rubric of a 5/6 defenseman is how they keep the puck out of the net.

I found it hilarious because I saw a Leafs fan had posted a comment in another thread that was discussing Tampa's success and it said something to the effect of "well we should easily be able to sign guys like Schenn, Rutta, and Bogosian, because they're super cheap." Reminds me of the old parable. The mechanic comes to your house to fix the machine, pressed one button and the machine was fixed. He charged you 100 dollars (different versions have different amounts, the number is not relevant). You ask the mechanic "how can you charge $100 dollars for pressing one button?" He says "1 dollar for pressing the button, 99 for know which button to press."

Guys like Schenn, Rutta, Bogosian, they are legitimately very cheap. Very easy to sign. The difficulty is never having the money to sign one of these guys. The difficulty is know which guys to sign. Schenn was "almost out of the league." Bogosian was claimed off of waivers. Jan Rutta bounced back and forth between the AHL and the NHL. None of these guys are expensive. The trick is knowing who sign.

The guy above was arguing that Travis Dermott is better than these defensemen. To be fair to him, Kyle Dubas thought so too. And maybe at some point in time, before learning through experience, learning through trial and error, Julien Brisebois thought so as well . But this time, Brisebois knew what he needed. He didn't get a player like Travis Dermott. He stockpiled 8 defensemen. Defensemen like Schenn and Rutta and Bogosian. And when it came time, they stood their ground. They did not let goals in the back of the net. And that won games for Tampa. And games turned into series. And series turned into a cup. Brisebois just resigned Luke Schenn again. He knows his value, even though Schenn only played 11 minutes a game, for 11 games. Cooper played 7D 11F, hoping to rest his top forwards. And he could do that because he had a strong contingent of defensively reliable defensemen. Even when Rutta got injured. Schenn provided some unexpected timely offense, and more importantly, when he was on the ice, the defense did not break. That was his job. He did his job. Dermott failed to do his job. Doesn't matter what Schenn or Dermott is paid. Neither will get paid much. But one does the job, the other doesn't do the job. Which do you take?


Yeah, that was too optimistic. But he has definitely found his niche as a 6th defenseman.

So, if I've got this straight, you're comparing a 23 year old Dman to 3 30 year old Dmen and expecting the 23 year old to be: as good defensively, as defined a product as they are, all while having played less professional hockey by a period of 4-500 games. Heck of an analysis.
 
Is this the best signing of day 1 so far? I'm hearing nothing but positive reactions all around. Both at how good the player is, how solid a deal it is, and how good a fit he'd be on the Leaf's roster.
 
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We got harder like that. Through this and mayne...... Simmonds dirt is so tough dirt like that. We arleady yelling at people in hockey games. Talking that dirt. Hard. Simmonds the biggest one. My favourite player of this decade. 2010 and in. Hard. Brodie doing his dirt. On the side. Ilove life :heart:

Fresh new thugs to twerk their butt thangs dirt hard, mayne!
 
[QUOTE="KCC, post: 174125549, member: 58739"]One decent dman can't carry the entire soft, bad Toronto blue line. They need a lot more help. They need more balance. Andersen stood on his head the last handful of years and stole a lot of games for his team. If he's not back they are so screwed. lol[/QUOTE]

That first line told me all I needed as far as whether you knew what you were talking about, which is not much. Have you EVER watched Jake Muzzin play? Apparently not! As for the others, no, they are not bruisers by any stretch of the imagination, but I’ve seen Holl lay a few good hits, and even Dermott will have the occasional one. We’re not paying Rielly to hit people. But to call the ENTIRE blue line soft???
Go watch a few games before you make another lame response like that one.
 
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Don't worry Leafs fans. You can still get Pietrangelo.

In NHL 20/21.

We were nowhere near ready to be able to sign Pietrangelo anyways. It’s unfortunate that our GM still believes you can win a Cup while paying 4 forwards half your cap. Had Dubas been wiser, he wouldn’t have done this.
As for your team, congratulations on winning the Cup!
What are your thoughts on all the NMC and NTC that a lot of your players have?
 
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Is this the best signing of day 1 so far? I'm hearing nothing but positive reactions all around. Both at how good the player is, how solid a deal it is, and how good a fit he'd be on the Leaf's roster.

Not sure - our signing of TJ was good, but the Khudobin and Murray deals were too.
 
We got harder like that. Through this and mayne...... Simmonds dirt is so tough dirt like that. We arleady yelling at people in hockey games. Talking that dirt. Hard. Simmonds the biggest one. My favourite player of this decade. 2010 and in. Hard. Brodie doing his dirt. On the side. Ilove life :heart:

Did you just have a stroke?
 
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Alon wuth Dermot and an evolving Sandin. Plus liljegren maybe one day.

Its nit world beating but its decent. Better than many teams.
If we figure out how to make teams worry about our forward attack.... it makes the holes on D less apparent.
No one is worried about playing us... or matching to AM or JT lines, let's hope that changes
 
Those are really tough to swing from a cap perspective as the Leafs are already over the cap without new contracts to Dermott/Mikheyev yet.

Even with Weeger, who should be cheaper than Savard, you're looking at moving 3 of AJ, Kerfoot, Dermott, Mikheyev, or Holl, with at least one of them being AJ or Kerfoot. If you're moving Kerfoot, there needs to be a better option for 3rd line C than Spezza over an 82 game season.
As of now theyre 1 mil over with max roster size. Dumping kerfoot puts them 2.5 under. I suspect that comes just a bit short of covering their new salaries but not by far.
 
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