Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] T.J. Brodie signs with the Maple Leafs (4 years, $5M AAV)

[kabidjan18]

Just a horrendous take...Luke Schenn was nearly out of the league last year

He just won a cup. Tell me what your team has done.

 

[Boondock]

This is a great signing for the Leafs. Plays the right side, skates really well. He is a true 2 way guy that can defend as equally good as he can push the puck and help generate offence. Good get, fills a huge need.

 

[KCC]

One decent dman can't carry the entire soft, bad Toronto blue line. They need a lot more help. They need more balance. Andersen stood on his head the last handful of years and stole a lot of games for his team. If he's not back they are so screwed. lol

 

[Man Bear Pig]

He just won a cup. Tell me what your team has done.

Great argument. I guess Schenn is worth $7 million a year now.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

He just won a cup. Tell me what your team has done.

Well, the Leafs drafted Luke Schenn thinking he had a chance to be a #1 Dman like a Hedman and be a big reason for the Leafs to win their 14th Stanley Cup some day.

So though it didn't work out with the Leafs , very happy for Schenn to get his name on there he always seemed like a great guy.

 

[Rubi]

Barrie had one year. No one "chased him out" the Leafs just can't afford a defender who will command the kind of cap hit he will get. The only reason we were able to ice him last season was because Colorado retained salary.

As for Gardiner... Game 7 Boston... multiple years. Name any fanbase who would be thrilled about resigning him at an increased cap hit after that?

I bet Barrie will end up getting less than what Brodie signed for. Toronto didn't re-sign Barrie because he's too expensive... they declined to sign him because he sucks defensively and they already have too many players like that.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

One decent dman can't carry the entire soft, bad Toronto blue line. They need a lot more help. They need more balance. Andersen stood on his head the last handful of years and stole a lot of games for his team. If he's not back they are so screwed. lol

So it's up to Frederik Andersen to keep the Leafs from being screwed?

Is Freddy that good in your eyes? Just want to make note of this.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

I bet Barrie will end up getting less than what Brodie signed for. Toronto didn't re-sign Barrie because he's too expensive... they declined to sign him because he sucks defensively and they already have too many players like that.

He didn't work out and it was a bad trade.

I'm not sure if he will get a lesser contract, but I know it's not gonna be my team signing him which is a big relief.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

He didn't work out and it was a bad trade.

I'm not sure if he will get a lesser contract, but I know it's not gonna be my team signing him which is a big relief.

Maybe we go full circle and he signs in Vancouver, wouldnt that be poetic

 

[crowi]

Really good signing for the Leafs. I can't imagine any tolerable reason why it wouldn't be.

 

[IPS]

Never understood the unrelenting hatred that Vancouver, Edmonton, and Winnipeg fans have with Toronto. There are of course a minority of Flames fans who irrationally hate Toronto but young or Working Class would be the best way to describe those types.

Even the hate from Habs and Sens fans has calmed down a lot.

But those Western teams you listed - it's like they hate the Leafs more than they cheer for their own team. Bizarre stuff.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

That's the best signing Dubas will ever make. Treat him well Toronto. He's a world class player and human

tough call between him and muzz tbh

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I also did not know Brodie is a Ontario boy who grew up a 2 hour drive from Toronto. Looks like another Leafs fan came home to play.

For the record, Brodie was a Red Wings fan growing up. You'll see a lot of Lidstrom in his game too.

 

[kabidjan18]

Great argument. I guess Schenn is worth $7 million a year now.

You still miss the point do you? Maybe you didn't read the earlier parts of the discussion. The job of a 5/6 defenseman is to keep the puck out of the net. Period. Any offense that the defenseman might generate, just a bonus. The rubric for a 5/6 isn't how well they transition the puck, it's not zone entries, it's not offensive skills, or shooting abilities. It's not bad to have those things. But the entire rubric of a 5/6 defenseman is how they keep the puck out of the net.

I found it hilarious because I saw a Leafs fan had posted a comment in another thread that was discussing Tampa's success and it said something to the effect of "well we should easily be able to sign guys like Schenn, Rutta, and Bogosian, because they're super cheap." Reminds me of the old parable. The mechanic comes to your house to fix the machine, pressed one button and the machine was fixed. He charged you 100 dollars (different versions have different amounts, the number is not relevant). You ask the mechanic "how can you charge $100 dollars for pressing one button?" He says "1 dollar for pressing the button, 99 for know which button to press."

Guys like Schenn, Rutta, Bogosian, they are legitimately very cheap. Very easy to sign. The difficulty is never having the money to sign one of these guys. The difficulty is know which guys to sign. Schenn was "almost out of the league." Bogosian was claimed off of waivers. Jan Rutta bounced back and forth between the AHL and the NHL. None of these guys are expensive. The trick is knowing who sign.

The guy above was arguing that Travis Dermott is better than these defensemen. To be fair to him, Kyle Dubas thought so too. And maybe at some point in time, before learning through experience, learning through trial and error, Julien Brisebois thought so as well . But this time, Brisebois knew what he needed. He didn't get a player like Travis Dermott. He stockpiled 8 defensemen. Defensemen like Schenn and Rutta and Bogosian. And when it came time, they stood their ground. They did not let goals in the back of the net. And that won games for Tampa. And games turned into series. And series turned into a cup. Brisebois just resigned Luke Schenn again. He knows his value, even though Schenn only played 11 minutes a game, for 11 games. Cooper played 7D 11F, hoping to rest his top forwards. And he could do that because he had a strong contingent of defensively reliable defensemen. Even when Rutta got injured. Schenn provided some unexpected timely offense, and more importantly, when he was on the ice, the defense did not break. That was his job. He did his job. Dermott failed to do his job. Doesn't matter what Schenn or Dermott is paid. Neither will get paid much. But one does the job, the other doesn't do the job. Which do you take?

Well, the Leafs drafted Luke Schenn thinking he had a chance to be a #1 Dman like a Hedman and be a big reason for the Leafs to win their 14th Stanley Cup some day.

So though it didn't work out with the Leafs , very happy for Schenn to get his name on there he always seemed like a great guy.

Yeah, that was too optimistic. But he has definitely found his niche as a 6th defenseman.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

What a great day if you are a a Leaf fan. Rielly FINALLY gets a legitimate defense partner and they land some MUCH needed toughness in Wayne Simmonds.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

You still miss the point do you? Maybe you didn't read the earlier parts of the discussion. The job of a 5/6 defenseman is to keep the puck out of the net. Period. Any offense that the defenseman might generate, just a bonus. The rubric for a 5/6 isn't how well they transition the puck, it's not zone entries, it's not offensive skills, or shooting abilities. It's not bad to have those things. But the entire rubric of a 5/6 defenseman is how they keep the puck out of the net.

I found it hilarious because I saw a Leafs fan had posted a comment in another thread that was discussing Tampa's success and it said something to the effect of "well we should easily be able to sign guys like Schenn, Rutta, and Bogosian, because they're super cheap." Reminds me of the old parable. The mechanic comes to your house to fix the machine, pressed one button and the machine was fixed. He charged you 100 dollars (different versions have different amounts, the number is not relevant). You ask the mechanic "how can you charge $100 dollars for pressing one button?" He says "1 dollar for pressing the button, 99 for know which button to press."

Guys like Schenn, Rutta, Bogosian, they are legitimately very cheap. Very easy to sign. The difficulty is never having the money to sign one of these guys. The difficulty is know which guys to sign. Schenn was "almost out of the league." Bogosian was claimed off of waivers. Jan Rutta bounced back and forth between the AHL and the NHL. None of these guys are expensive. The trick is knowing who sign.

The guy above was arguing that Travis Dermott is better than these defensemen. To be fair to him, Kyle Dubas thought so too. And maybe at some point in time, before learning through experience, learning through trial and error, Julien Brisebois thought so as well . But this time, Brisebois knew what he needed. He didn't get a player like Travis Dermott. He stockpiled 8 defensemen. Defensemen like Schenn and Rutta and Bogosian. And when it came time, they stood their ground. They did not let goals in the back of the net. And that won games for Tampa. And games turned into series. And series turned into a cup. Brisebois just resigned Luke Schenn again. He knows his value, even though Schenn only played 11 minutes a game, for 11 games. Cooper played 7D 11F, hoping to rest his top forwards. And he could do that because he had a strong contingent of defensively reliable defensemen. Even when Rutta got injured. Schenn provided some unexpected timely offense, and more importantly, when he was on the ice, the defense did not break. That was his job. He did his job. Dermott failed to do his job. Doesn't matter what Schenn or Dermott is paid. Neither will get paid much. But one does the job, the other doesn't do the job. Which do you take?


Yeah, that was too optimistic. But he has definitely found his niche as a 6th defenseman.

Goes in with a sarcastic comment and in return gets a condescending novel.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

One decent dman can't carry the entire soft, bad Toronto blue line. They need a lot more help. They need more balance. Andersen stood on his head the last handful of years and stole a lot of games for his team. If he's not back they are so screwed. lol

So to be clear, Brodie is the only decent defenseman Toronto has now? Good to know, thanks. It'll be cool to see what one looks like

 

[MMMOOOWWW]

Brodie was good his first few years. He’s been the Flames whipping boy the past two years so I’m not sure how he deserves a raise and this type of term. I’m happy this will put the Leafs in a financial pinch haha.

guess momma left the door open to the basement. grow my friend

 

[howkie]

IF Jets needed a top4 rd man, Brodie would be my guy

 

[MMMOOOWWW]

This is why we will never cure Pejorative Slurs wow

 

[Coachcorner]

We got harder like that. Through this and mayne...... Simmonds dirt is so tough dirt like that. We arleady yelling at people in hockey games. Talking that dirt. Hard. Simmonds the biggest one. My favourite player of this decade. 2010 and in. Hard. Brodie doing his dirt. On the side. Ilove life

 

[LeafsNation75]

One decent dman can't carry the entire soft, bad Toronto blue line. They need a lot more help. They need more balance. Andersen stood on his head the last handful of years and stole a lot of games for his team. If he's not back they are so screwed. lol

If Brodie is the only "decent" Leafs defenseman what do you call Morgan Rielly and Jake Muzzin?

 

[Maple Leaf]

We got harder like that. Through this and mayne...... Simmonds dirt is so tough dirt like that. We arleady yelling at people in hockey games. Talking that dirt. Hard. Simmonds the biggest one. My favourite player of this decade. 2010 and in. Hard. Brodie doing his dirt. On the side. Ilove life

Simmonds will twerk real hard

 

[RomanianLeafs]

One decent dman can't carry the entire soft, bad Toronto blue line. They need a lot more help. They need more balance. Andersen stood on his head the last handful of years and stole a lot of games for his team. If he's not back they are so screwed. lol

DID not know Muzzin is soft..

 

[Celly Hard]

Dubas better not be done, we need a gritty RHD. Weegar or Savard would be ideal.