Confirmed with Link: TOR sign RD Zach Bogosian [1 year, 1M]

[Community]

According to capfriendly, Brodie has a No Movement Clause, so they can't expose him.

Pretty sure it goes from NMC to NTC after this year so they vould if they wanted, but either way they won't.

 

[Keon1963]

Muzzin and Brodie don’t need to be protected. Their NMC’s end once the season ends.

Thank you for the correction. It is great to know the extra info. Also may indicate TO management is keeping an eye on the Seattle Draft implications.

 

[IPS]

Rielly Brodie
Lehtonen Muzzin
Dermott Sandin
Bogosian

?

If that is our D heading into next year I like it. I really hope they give Sandin a shot. Bogo is gonna be a solid 7th D. Someone is bound to get injured and you have a quality vet that can step right in and make a difference. One thing's for sure, this team is going to be hell of a lot tougher to play against. Muzzin coming back, addition of Simmonds, Brodie, Bogo. Well done Dubas, you might not be so bad after all.

Bogo will 100% be slotting in the lineup as a full timer if he comes back as good as he was for Tampa

 

[horner]

Bogo really stepped up for us in the playoffs before getting injured. He played most games on a pair with Hedman who did the heavy lifting but he should be a serviceable depth guy for you guys, plays physical and has a bomb for a shot. Take good care of him!

I like that we have Brodie and BOGO that can let bombs from the point.
Last zip

 

[Stand Witness]

I like Bogosian as our #6 guy. A lot. But wonder who's going to be traded - Holl or Dermott?

Also, what do you do if Sandin or Liljegren demand a Top 6 spot in training camp? (very likely).

A:
Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Lehtonen
Bogosian, Liljegren, Sandin, Rosen

B:
Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Lehtonen
Dermott-Holl
Bogosian, Liljegren, Sandin, Rosen

C:
Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin
(Trade Holl or Dermott)
Holl/Dermott, Lehtonen, Bogosian, Liljegren, Sandin, Rosen fighting for spots 4-6.

Regardkess, this is a great problem to have. I think at this point though, keep Sandin and Liljegren down until they are top pair, borderline PPG guys who play the PP and PK. Basically, maximize and let them be the guys. Let the get a ton of pro experience... defenseman take a lot of seasoning so if we are in a spot to let them that’s perfect.

 

[Stand Witness]

Rielly Brodie
Lehtonen Muzzin
Dermott Sandin
Bogosian

?

If that is our D heading into next year I like it. I really hope they give Sandin a shot. Bogo is gonna be a solid 7th D. Someone is bound to get injured and you have a quality vet that can step right in and make a difference. One thing's for sure, this team is going to be hell of a lot tougher to play against. Muzzin coming back, addition of Simmonds, Brodie, Bogo. Well done Dubas, you might not be so bad after all.

I think expecting Lehtonen to come in and be anything more than a 3rd pair guy is setting him up for failure. To me, this is one of the issues that we have run into in the past. Now, if he finishes the year as a top 4, that’s great. But to start I think the Leafs need to be as conservative as possible with their defense.

 

[aingefan]

‘Cult of Dubas’ is a whole new level.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Trading Holl or especially Dermott for one year of Bogosian doesn't seem like good asset management to me.

I mean it really depends what you get for Dermott. He would bringing value back, I would absolutely not just give him away...but if you can trade him to get another upgrade on the right side then yeah.

 

[IPS]

They are still not a good team. Not a contender. I would have thought that was the fans of this team would want - remember where people thought the team was heading 2 years ago - but instead they just want a cult of Dubas.



Sandin would have protection if they play Sandin with Bogo - as they should have last year by signing Bogo in February. But they probably won't do that in which case they should trade Sandin while his value is high - again something fans of this team would want, but instead they just want a cult of Dubas.

I want sandin on this team already and don’t care at all if dermott needs to be traded to make that happen. If lehtonen lives up to the hype they can trade holl too for all I care.

Going to be another adventure seeing how far this improperly structured defence will take the leafs.

 

[biotk]

So they are finished with their moves?

How is your team Buffalo doing?

Remember when even with all the teams' injuries in February Bogo would still make the Leafs' D worse? And Tampa was stupid for signing him? Perhaps you should ask yourself why your hockey views change completely based on what ever Dubas does instead of obsessing about a team you don't watch.

 

[kb]

I want sandin on this team already and don’t care at all if dermott needs to be traded to make that happen. If lehtonen lives up to the hype they can trade holl too for all I care.

Going to be another adventure seeing how far this improperly structured defence will take the leafs.

It's being structured much better.

No AP, but that's OK. I felt the same way as you, for the record.

 

[IPS]

It's being structured much better.

No AP, but that's OK. I felt the same way as you, for the record.

I was all in for AP but if god forbid the signing didn’t go as planned.. we would have been in the worst cap hell in nhl history.

the way Dubas is going is prob the logical and safer way to do things

 

[A1LeafNation]

I wanted AP too but Dubas did good at augmenting the defence. Maybe we see how this plays out and make moves at the deadline.

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Dermott Bogosian
Lehtonen

Sandin and Liljegren as call ups. Usually teams need 9-10 d-men for the year if they want to be successful. Our 9-10 d-men are as good as any.

 

[kb]

I was all in for AP but if god forbid the signing didn’t go as planned.. we would have been in the worst cap hell in nhl history.

the way Dubas is going is prob the logical and safer way to do things

I was the same my man. Just took a box of wine and a night of reflection to make me realize that it probably would have killed the Leafs going forward.

 

[Nylander88]

People who think Bogosian is coming in as a #7 lol smh.
Guy just averaged 18 minutes a night on the Stanley Cup winning team. But he's a #7 on our god awful defence?haha my goodness peeps.
Dubas said he wanted to add more grit back there. We didn't go get a guy with his grit to be tough from the press box. He's only 30 years old and people treat him like he's this 38-40 year old who might help as a fringe #6. He's going to play. Make no mistake about it. Guy was logging minutes next to Victor Hedman in the playoffs. This was a great add for our team. He's playing.

 

[Brobust]

Muzzin is a NMC so he is an automatic protect. I can see Toronto going the 4-4-1 in the Seattle draft.

 

[Clark4Ever]

People who think Bogosian is coming in as a #7 lol smh.
Guy just averaged 18 minutes a night on the Stanley Cup winning team. But he's a #7 on our god awful defence?haha my goodness peeps.
Dubas said he wanted to add more grit back there. We didn't go get a guy with his grit to be tough from the press box. He's only 30 years old and people treat him like he's this 38-40 year old who might help as a fringe #6. He's going to play. Make no mistake about it. Guy was logging minutes next to Victor Hedman in the playoffs. This was a great add for our team. He's playing.

Agreed. Detractors are looking at his time in Buffalo playing in a dumpster fire of a situation.

I would rather look at his most recent body of work playing a key role with the Stanley Cup Champions.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I like that we have Brodie and BOGO that can let bombs from the point.
Last zip

We've def been missing that

 

[kb]

I wouldn't say contender myself but they seem to have taken some steps in the right direction and I don't think dubas is done yet.
The leafs have kept the offensive talent and increased the defensive and toughness. If they keep this trend why wouldn't they be in the contender category?

Buffalo fans tend to get salty, especially when the takes are "We got the better Nylander" or, "Our rebuild is better than the Leafs"

 

[TiMo15]

At least Martin Marinčin experience should be really over.

 

[Nylander88]

At least Martin Marinčin experience should be really over.

Doubt it. They won't let Sandin or Liljegren rot in the press box. Marincin is your perfect "don't care about hurting development, wasting away, he is what he is, league minimum contract". He's likely still the #7 for those reasons. This coming from someone who can't stand Marincin btw.

 

[biotk]

I want sandin on this team already and don’t care at all if dermott needs to be traded to make that happen. If lehtonen lives up to the hype they can trade holl too for all I care.

Going to be another adventure seeing how far this improperly structured defence will take the leafs.

Agreed. This team has to figure out what their D is and where they are going. Not hoard players until their value falls (for example Johnsson). They have Holl, Dermott, Lehtonen, Sandin and Liljegren going after two spots. The following year they will also still have Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin and from the appearance of things as Dubas wants a "presence" on D (as he should) that means they will be looking for a Bogo type D for the following year as well, so that two spots isn't going to change. They really shouldn't keep more than 3 of those 5. Holl and Liljegren are RHD. Dermott, Lehtonen and Sandin are LHD. I don't think the team has any interest in playing D on their offside full-time unless they already have a lot experience doing so (Hainsey, Brodie). Lehtonen presumably qualifies. I don't think Dermott or Sandin do.

Lehtonen - His value is very high right now and he is UFA next summer. If he outperforms expectations they can't afford to keep him. If he doesn't then there is no point playing him over others.
Holl - If he keeps his spot with Muzzin he is decent value. If he gets moved down the lineup he is not, but the team probably needs either Holl or Dermott as their D they need to expose in the ED.
Dermott - 3 years on the third pair. No way to move up on the left side. The Leafs now have Brodie, Holl and Bogo who play on the right side and Lehtonen who has played on the right for a season of pro hockey. If he has the potential that most seem to think he has he can't continue to play on the third pair forever.
Sandin - His value is very high right now. It won't be as high after another year of developing him poorly.
Liljegren - His value is also probably high right now.
Neither Sandin or Liljegren will benefit from playing in the AHL this year - especially with the complete crap show the AHL is likely to be, and potential border crossing issues (the AHL only has the Marlies, Senators, Moose and Rockets in Canada).

 

[Menzinger]

You can only use LTIR if a player is going to miss a minimum of 10 games.

So what do the Leafs do if any non waiver-exempt player gets banged up and needs a few days off?

Use 19 players for multiple games? Put the player on LTIR anyway and have them miss 10 games instead of maybe just 2? And what if there are multiple players in that scenario, which happens multiple times a season?

I don't think it's quite as simple as people are suggesting.

The one thing I'll never doubt for this management group (at least as far as AGM Pridham goes) is their ability to navigate these rule technicalities

 

[saffronleaf]

I gotta say, I really don't get it. Bogosian is bad and has been bad for a while.

We have at minimum 8 guys I'd rather in the lineup on any given day, and I can't see Bogosian wanting to come here and play ~20 games strictly as an injury replacement. That's outrageous to ask of a guy that's in his early 30's, wanting to get paid again on his next contract in a post-covid world where some dumb GM might actually pay him for his toughness.

Imagine benching one of Dermott, Holl, or Lehtonen for him? Surely we couldn't? Sure trade one of Dermott/Holl I guess, but you'd really want to give that spot to Bogosian over Sandin & Liljegren during the regular season where the games mean less & they're arguably better today?

I know it's a fully bury-able contract and we're just getting depth in case of injuries, but I just don't get Bogosian's motivation to come here unless he actually thinks/we told him he'll play often.

He held down a #6 job on a Cup winning team with a very good defense. He brings an element of nastiness that the team needs.

I don't see the issue with him keeping the #6 job for a year while Liljegren ripens.

 

[The CyNick]

He held down a #6 job on a Cup winning team with a very good defense. He brings an element of nastiness that the team needs.

I don't see the issue with him keeping the #6 job for a year while Liljegren ripens.

Lol replacing Bogo with Lilj would be the most Dubas thing ever.