Confirmed with Link: TOR sign F Zach Aston-Reese to a PTO

[Felix the Cat Potvin]

Oh I know. I'm just using the same logic the user you responded to was using.

No, you aren't. ZAR was traded to get rid of him prior to the playoffs. There was no reason he had to be included in the Rakell trade.

McDonough was traded for cap reasons, prior to the beginning of the regular season, not the playoffs.

And looks like all the disagreement over my post calling him a soft player has at least quieted down following the reality check.

 

[DarkKnight]

Nothing wrong with this one, pure shutdown, black hole offence, perfect for 8 minutes on a fourth line.

 

[Jerkbait]

Oh I know. I'm just using the same logic the user you responded to was using.

Absolutely correct. Look at how many good to great players have been traded at or near the deadline. Just use Pittsburgh as an exmaple. Francis, Hossa Iginla etc...obviously ZAR isn't one of those guys but.....

 

[Gabriel426]

9 pages for someone who might not even make the Marlies.

 

[LeafChief]

The Flames just signed Cody Eakin to a PTO. Panic in the streets of Calgary!

 

[BertCorbeau]

9 pages for someone who might not even make the Marlies.

ZAR was a guy a lot here were wanting all off-season. Even it's a PTO, the amount of discussion makes sense.

 

[saltming]

He has to make the team first

Agreed

 

[saltming]

Internal competition is fantastic. Bit we bring in external competition of which most of them (not all of them) have very, very little difference about them.

I'm all for internal competition. That's what I'm wanting to see. We've signed (assuming ZAR signs) about half a dozen external guys. That's my point.

Either way, nothing is going to change. We're going to carry on drafting guys, over-hyping them, never really get to see them play for the Leafs, and then move on to the next batch. It is what it is.

If we bring them in, technically it's internal competition but I see your angle.
Either way it's good for the up and comers to have to always be getting better.

That said I disagree. I find that specifically in the dubas years prospects have come up, done well and then been moved for other pieces. Grundstrom kapanen Mik to name a few.
No team is 100% home grown and I think we do a good job not strangle holding them.

 

[Its not your fault]

and if he doesn’t make the team?

Then Back door AHL. Dude hits so Islanders and Lou would be a fit.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Then Back door AHL. Dude hits so Islanders and Lou would be a fit.

Islanders already have too many enforcers. They don't need another one.

 

[Racer88]

Are we not confident all of our elite prospects can play bottom 6 minutes? We're not talking dime a dozen prospects here.

 

[zeke]

Thats a nice signing. Strong defensive player that finishes every check. PTO means he doesn't want to sign for league min but that's not surprising because he's actually good.

Hopefully this means we see a ZAR-Kampf-NAK 4th line, with one of the kids joining the kerfoot/engvall/jarnkrok 2nd/3rd line mix.

 

[Buds17]

I would argue it is the exact opposite: Engvall, Jarnkrok, NAK, Kampf, Malgin, Anderson, Steeves, Robertson, Abruzzese, Holmberg, Gaudette, Simmonds, Clifford, and McMann. The first four will have guaranteed jobs, so ZAR will have to steal one of two job from the latter guys... And more than 2 of them are good enough to play in the NHL right now.

We are actually in agreement about spots essentially being at a premium. Poor choice of words on my part in that previous post of mine. I just have a feeling that his chances of claiming a spot here are pretty good for a player coming into camp on a PTO. Mind you, it's always a good thing to stock up on options as the waiver wire (in terms of having players claimed by rival teams) can be unpredictable at even the best of times.

 

[justashadowof]

9 pages for someone who might not even make the Marlies.

What's the end game of this? Would you like there to be no posts of any sort on this forum?

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I don't think it's a meltdown. Nor do I think it's a PTO (other than it being called that at the moment).

I don't understand why we never play our prospects. There never seems to be a chance for them. A few of them get half a dozen games a year, and that's it.

This is a good thing. These signings of Gaudette, NAK, Malgin etc aren't guaranteed spots so it gives both them and the prospects more incentive to fight harder in camp and preseason to actually earn a spot. It also strengthens the Marlies and adds to our depth for injuries. I want to see our prospects make it as much as anyone but most of them are 22 and under. There's no rush and I want to see them earn the spot full time when they're ready.

Why the Sarcasm?

 

[All Mod Cons]

This is a good thing. These signings of Gaudette, NAK, Malgin etc aren't guaranteed spots so it gives both them and the prospects more incentive to fight harder in camp and preseason to actually earn a spot. It also strengthens the Marlies and adds to our depth for injuries. I want to see our prospects make it as much as anyone but most of them are 22 and under. There's no rush and I want to see them earn the spot full time when they're ready.

Why the Sarcasm?

Hey let's be honest here. It doesn't give them more incentive. They're not making the team. There's no competition for spots. The vets are getting the spots. It's a nice idea. But none of the guys on the Marlies are going to get a chance.

Either way, it is what it is.

 

[Nineteen67]

I'll be so sad if we don't get him signed and we got this close

What if he doesn’t have a good training camp?

 

[Fogelhund]

Ok. How did Dubas do last year at the trade deadline? Who did he acquire to help bolster TOR's roster for the playoff push?

If KD is doing so well at managing the cap then why did he have to trade 1st round picks to rid of contracts?

Also why did KD have to take a reclamation project in Murray for a starting goalie role?

It's just so easy to present this stuff.

Giordano, Blackwell and Lyubushkin, pretty solid additions really.

1. To fix Lou's mistake, 2, he traded back 13 spots..that was the cost for managing the cap.

Dubas went with Murray and Samsanov, as there were few better options, that were short term options. Kuemper might have been the only guy worth debating about, but I'm not particularly sold on him, and think he'll have a regression season with Washington.

 

[Fogelhund]

Hey let's be honest here. It doesn't give them more incentive. They're not making the team. There's no competition for spots. The vets are getting the spots. It's a nice idea. But none of the guys on the Marlies are going to get a chance.

Either way, it is what it is.

You've claimed this about Marchment, which was false.

Every year, we've broken new players/rookies into full time roles.

Last year it was Bunting, Sandin and Liljegren... there were NO Marlies that earned, deserved full time promotion, or were blocked. Abruzzese saw games, Robertson, Steeves all saw games. None really ready.

2020-21.. weird year, but again, nobody really worthy of moving up yet.. but Brooks, Robertson, Sandin, Liljegren and Barabanov were given shots, but none were ready.

2019-20 Mikheyev, Engvall, Timashov, Moore, Brooks, Korshkov, Rosen, Lilj, Marchment, Sandin... all got games... and some quite a few games. These weren't blocked by veterans. Mik and Engvall became important parts of the team eventually.

I have no idea where this premise is coming from, that we are blocking players from moving up. Regularly we've promoted players who were good enough, and who were ready. If Robertson is ready, he'll play with the Leafs, and likely on the second line. There are a few more guys, who might earn spots... and that's what will happen, if they make the team.

So, if Robertson makes the team, and when Sandin signs... we'll have brought up six guys over the last two years, that became full time players.. who were rookies, developing players... ok, we can argue Bunting is a stretch.. so call it five guys. At some point, Woll will play for the Leafs this year, and it wouldn't shock me if he sticks.

Who are all these players who we've blocked, who are clear upgrades right now, over any of these vets signed?

I don't know what this is hard to see, but we've been comfortable waiving, moving players in the past, when they didn't work for us, and will again. If we actually sign ZAR, and one of our Marlies is better, we'll attempt to move ZAR. It's been done before, and will be again.

 

[hotpaws]

Giordano, Blackwell and Lyubushkin, pretty solid additions really.

1. To fix Lou's mistake, 2, he traded back 13 spots..that was the cost for managing the cap.

Dubas went with Murray and Samsanov, as there were few better options, that were short term options. Kuemper might have been the only guy worth debating about, but I'm not particularly sold on him, and think he'll have a regression season with Washington.

wow , we're now blaming Lou for signing Mzarek

 

[Leaf Fans]

wow , we're now blaming Lou for signing Mzarek

You might be, we are not.

 

[Fogelhund]

wow , we're now blaming Lou for signing Mzarek

Hey man.... please take time to read, and think before posting.

Let me help you out...

If KD is doing so well at managing the cap then why did he have to trade 1st round picks to rid of contracts?

We traded two first round picks to move players right? You understand this right?

First was Marleau... that's why I posted the number 1... it was the first pick traded... agreed? Who signed Marleau? ya... ok, try and think this stuff out next time, before jumping to the attack.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Hey let's be honest here. It doesn't give them more incentive. They're not making the team. There's no competition for spots. The vets are getting the spots. It's a nice idea. But none of the guys on the Marlies are going to get a chance.

Either way, it is what it is.

You don't think a player like Anderson who has been in the AHL for 4 yrs and is 24yrs old in a make or break season is gonna be hungry for a spot in camp to beat out the likes of Gaudette, Malgin etc? For example.

The Leafs are over the cap which means that Kerfoot is the most likely guy to get traded. That opens up a spot at 2LW. You don't think a guy like Robertson or Malgin is hungry for that spot and a chance to play with a combo of Tavares and Nylander/Marner? I think the 3rd line is a lock to be Engvall - Kampf - Jarnkrok.

The only player I think is likely a lock on the 4th is NAK. Other than that all of:

Gaudette
Malgin
Robertson
ZAR
Steeves
Holmberg
Anderson
Simmonds
Clifford

Simmonds and Clifford look to be done. None of those guys on that list are locks and are either gonna be Leafs, Marlies or waiver claims. Again, healthy competition for likely 2 or 3 spots in the forward group. Sandin is the only one on the team that fits your criteria of being blocked by veterans.

Hey let's be honest here. It doesn't give them more incentive. They're not making the team. There's no competition for spots. The vets are getting the spots. It's a nice idea. But none of the guys on the Marlies are going to get a chance.

Either way, it is what it is.

You don't think a player like Anderson who has been in the AHL for 4 yrs and is 24yrs old in a make or break season is gonna be hungry for a spot in camp to beat out the likes of Gaudette, Malgin etc? For example.

The Leafs are over the cap which means that Kerfoot is the most likely guy to get traded. That opens up a spot at 2LW. You don't think a guy like Robertson or Malgin is hungry for that spot and a chance to play with a combo of Tavares and Nylander/Marner? I think the 3rd line is a lock to be Engvall - Kampf - Jarnkrok.

The only player I think is likely a lock on the 4th is NAK. Other than that all of:

Gaudette
Malgin
Robertson
ZAR
Steeves
Holmberg
Anderson
Simmonds
Clifford

Simmonds and Clifford look to be done. None of those guys on that list are locks and are either gonna be Leafs, Marlies or waiver claims. Again, healthy competition for likely 2 or 3 spots in the forward group. Sandin is the only one on the team that fits your criteria of being blocked by veterans.

 

[All Mod Cons]

You don't think a player like Anderson who has been in the AHL for 4 yrs and is 24yrs old in a make or break season is gonna be hungry for a spot in camp to beat out the likes of Gaudette, Malgin etc? For example.

The Leafs are over the cap which means that Kerfoot is the most likely guy to get traded. That opens up a spot at 2LW. You don't think a guy like Robertson or Malgin is hungry for that spot and a chance to play with a combo of Tavares and Nylander/Marner? I think the 3rd line is a lock to be Engvall - Kampf - Jarnkrok.

The only player I think is likely a lock on the 4th is NAK. Other than that all of:

Gaudette
Malgin
Robertson
ZAR
Steeves
Holmberg
Anderson
Simmonds
Clifford

Simmonds and Clifford look to be done. None of those guys on that list are locks and are either gonna be Leafs, Marlies or waiver claims. Again, healthy competition for likely 2 or 3 spots in the forward group. Sandin is the only one on the team that fits your criteria of being blocked by veterans.


You don't think a player like Anderson who has been in the AHL for 4 yrs and is 24yrs old in a make or break season is gonna be hungry for a spot in camp to beat out the likes of Gaudette, Malgin etc? For example.

The Leafs are over the cap which means that Kerfoot is the most likely guy to get traded. That opens up a spot at 2LW. You don't think a guy like Robertson or Malgin is hungry for that spot and a chance to play with a combo of Tavares and Nylander/Marner? I think the 3rd line is a lock to be Engvall - Kampf - Jarnkrok.

The only player I think is likely a lock on the 4th is NAK. Other than that all of:

Gaudette
Malgin
Robertson
ZAR
Steeves
Holmberg
Anderson
Simmonds
Clifford

Simmonds and Clifford look to be done. None of those guys on that list are locks and are either gonna be Leafs, Marlies or waiver claims. Again, healthy competition for likely 2 or 3 spots in the forward group. Sandin is the only one on the team that fits your criteria of being blocked by veterans.

I think they're probably hungry, yes.

I think Kerfoot gets the 2nd line LW job.

I think NAK and ZAR (pto, my arse) are locks for the 4th line.

And then I think that there's a mad scramble for one spot on the 4th line to be won (initially) by Clifford or Abruzzese.

 

[hotpaws]

Hey man.... please take time to read, and think before posting.

Let me help you out...

If KD is doing so well at managing the cap then why did he have to trade 1st round picks to rid of contracts?

We traded two first round picks to move players right? You understand this right?

First was Marleau... that's why I posted the number 1... it was the first pick traded... agreed? Who signed Marleau? ya... ok, try and think this stuff out next time, before jumping to the attack.

Dubie's weak that why it cost him a 1st to dump Marleau and it was his own mishandling of the cap which was the reason he had to dump him in the first place

funny how you praise Dubas for having to spend assets to dump Ritchie/Mzarek yet are still upset at Lou even though he left us multiple team friendly/value deals in Brown/Kadri/Hyman/Rielly/Andy and i can guarantee LL wouldn't have paid a first to get rid of Marleau