Confirmed Trade: [TOR/SEA] Mark Giordano (50% retained) and Colin Blackwell for 2022 2nd, 2023 2nd, 2024 3rd

[capfit9]

guy who has lost 1/2 a step or more going against tampa or fla. good luck. did they not learn from Muzzin ?

 

[david999]

What hurts from this trade isn't the assets given up but rather it's the potential cap space lost.

Boston, Tampa, and Florida each made more impactful trades to improve themselves, Toronto is still lagging behind.

Another first round exit coming up.

You do realize that the Leafs will have 4 million in cap space tomorrow (Mrazek and Clifford clear is 2.1 mill + 1.9 they currently have)

 

[joepeps]

So a trade less than a month ago, which was clearly intended to help this year is comparable to one 10 years ago? I think we're done discussing this.

yup we are done... your adding trades together...

Florida traded for Hagg and Giroux and wasted all those picks... They could have gotten Jack E... terrible deals

You see how illogical you sound?

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

sure thing bud lol.. by your logic 5 7th rounders is better than a 1st as well.

He's essentially saying a few loonies are worth more than a toonie whereas you're trying to push that argument to the point of a few more nickels is worth more than a toonie. You've clearly lost the plot here and don't understand analogies very well.

 

[Daz28]

sure thing bud lol.. by your logic 5 7th rounders is better than a 1st as well.

No one needs logic to determine that the Leafs 1st and 2-2nds are almost IDENTICAL in value to Bostons. The problem I think is I'm making sense, and you're trying to muddy the water. Keep adding LOL's and hahaha's though. They're very convincing.

 

[joepeps]

He's essentially saying a few loonies are worth more than a toonie whereas you're trying to push that argument to the point of a few more nickels is worth more than a toonie. You've clearly lost the plot here and don't understand analogies very well.

2 2nds in the same year and 3rd might get you in the 20th range for a 1st...

a 2nd in 2022 and a 2nd in 2023 and a 3rd in 2024 DOES NOT GET YOU A 1ST.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Good pickup for the Leafs and glad Francis did something to improve the Kraken, going forward. Win-win trade.

 

[TheDoldrums]

What hurts from this trade isn't the assets given up but rather it's the potential cap space lost.

Boston, Tampa, and Florida each made more impactful trades to improve themselves, Toronto is still lagging behind.

Another first round exit coming up.

Giordano and Blackwell collectively are more of an improvement than Brandon Hagel. Hagel's value is that he's super cheap and signed for years.

Chariot and Lindholm are just insanely overrated imo. The idea that they've significantly improved those teams while Toronto hasn't is just silly but whatever.

Florida getting Giroux was indeed a huge move but they've spent multiple 1sts and still might go out in the 1st, the East is brutal.

 

[Daz28]

yup we are done... your adding trades together...

Florida traded for Hagg and Giroux and wasted all those picks... They could have gotten Jack E... terrible deals

You see how illogical you sound?

No, I'm comparing apples to apples. You're trying to make them look like oranges when they're not. If you can tell me what the major difference between Boston and Toronto's 1st and 2nd round draft picks are in value WE'D like to hear it.

 

[Baksfamous112]

why?

Because Giordano is washed up

 

[Holymakinaw]

Because Giordano is washed up

LOL. Rubbish.

 

[KingAlfie11]

It's gonna take a heck of a lot more then an aging Giordano for the Leafs to contend with the likes of Tampa and Florida, it's gonna be sweet watch Leafs fans cry again come May! Lol

 

[Daz28]

2 2nds in the same year and 3rd might get you in the 20th range for a 1st...

a 2nd in 2022 and a 2nd in 2023 and a 3rd in 2024 DOES NOT GET YOU A 1ST.

It all depends on where those picks are in each round. I'm sure if you think about it, even you can understand that.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

No one needs logic to determine that the Leafs 1st and 2-2nds are almost IDENTICAL in value to Bostons. The problem I think is I'm making sense, and you're trying to muddy the water. Keep adding LOL's and hahaha's though. They're very convincing.

Wtf is this?

 

[Daz28]

Ok, so this is a fine trade (especially not giving up a 1st - credit Dubas there), but I don't think it pushes the Leafs over the top. They've been dealt a tough hand in the division they play in. Unless they do something tomorrow to fix the goaltending I just can't see them beating Tampa or Florida in a 7 game series. I guess if you're Dubas and the Leafs you have to "go for it," so from that perspective the trade makes sense, but if they go out one and done again it'll kind of hurt seeing those 2nd's go for nothing. But I guess that's the risk any contending team takes when bringing in a rental at the deadline.

Well said. I know they may not be done making moves yet, but right now it looks like they're bringing a knife to a gun fight.

 

[goldnblack]

I think any time you can add a 38 year old true rental who has never won anything, and you can pay multiple picks for him, you do it.

 

[joepeps]

No, I'm comparing apples to apples. You're trying to make them look like oranges when they're not. If you can tell me what the major difference between Boston and Toronto's 1st and 2nd round draft picks are in value WE'D like to hear it.

I was going by the time of the trade and the position of the picks. Doesn't make a different that 2 2nds and changing 1 of them to a 1st doesn't make the same value

 

[Baby Punisher]

Great job by the leafs. I didn't expect the Rangers to be in on Giordano, but I was hoping they would pick Blackwood up.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Because Giordano is washed up

Based on what, exactly? The stats this year show him having a great defensive season. If you can show otherwise, I'd love to see it.

 

[Habs10Habs]

Solid deal for the Leafs. No 1st rd pick, no prospects. Plus they added some depth with Blackwell.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I think any time you can add a 38 year old true rental who has never won anything, and you can pay multiple picks for him, you do it.

i don't know what a "true" rental is but I'm pretty sure he's going to be open to signing a cheap extension if the leafs want him going forward

 

[joepeps]

It all depends on where those picks are in each round. I'm sure if you think about it, even you can understand that.

I guess the GM's have a magic 8 ball to know where next years pick and the year after are going to land....

also, by your logic Florida traded for Chiarot Hagg Giroux.. could have had Jack E and Lindholm

 

[Daz28]

Wtf is this?

I'm saying that because Toronto and Boston are literally 2 points apart, their draft pick values are VERY similar. It's not that hard to comprehend.

 

[Just Linda]

You do realize that the Leafs will have 4 million in cap space tomorrow (Mrazek and Clifford clear is 2.1 mill + 1.9 they currently have)

4 million to do what? Get a capable goalie and a dman that can clear the crease/ win battles.

They have the same holes today that they had 2 months ago.

Gio doesn't move the needle for them, he's not the guy who helps them win in the playoffs. 2 years ago he was, anyone who's watched a few of his games can see that he's a step behind nowadays.

They need more players like Muzzin and instead doubled down on the type of player they already had. They didn't get better from this trade and gave up assets to do it.

 

[PaulD]

Wonder if the Kraken get better after he leaves like the Flames did. Ha!