Confirmed with Link: [TOR/PIT] RW Kapanen, D Lindgren, LW Aberg for '20 1st(15th), LW Rodrigues, C Hallander, D Warsofsky

[Duffman955]

Kapanen a good depth guy. Dime a dozen in this league. Surprised at the return he recieved lol

Which players can score 20 goals, good defense, good special teams, super fast, physical for 3mil?

 

[hockeywiz542]

Toronto Maple Leafs General Manager Kyle Dubas addresses the media following Tuesday's trade with Pittsburgh.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Still thinking about the incredible value we received. This is probably the highest we've sold on an asset in a long time.

 

[LilySmoov]

4 players are being dangled by the Leafs.

Andersen can be had for a useless low cost asset. Would be a cap clearing move.

Does no one else find this part insane? Yeah Andy might not be the ideal #1G, and yeah more cap space would be lovely, but to give him away for nothing? Dafuq?

Edit: Got clarification.

 

[Faltorvo]

I would have preferred trading Johnsson over Kapanen, I think we all probably would have, but Johnny played just 43 regular season games and one playoff game.

I don't really care much for Johnsson, but I don't want to sell him at pennies on the dollar.

I liked Kapanen, but he's a flawed player.

He has million dollar feet, fifty dollar hands and a ten cent brain, and no real chemistry with any of our stars.

He might dazzle you with a shorthanded breakaway goal here and there, but then you remember he's an adequate-at-best penalty killer.

At 24 years old and making 3.2 for 3 more, he's paid about what he's worth. Johnsson makes a negligible amount more, but has an extra year of control.

He may have another level to reach, but I don't see it being much higher - he's a 20-20-40 guy, maybe he can be a 25-25-50 guy.

A nice piece, but not elemental, and with Johnny, Robertson, Mikheyev and Kerfoot on the squad, not to mention Mitch and Willy, there's not really a place for him, which is something that can just as easily be said for Kerfoot, Johnsson and Mikheyev.

Aberg, Lindgren and Warsofsky, nothing of value.

Rodrigues makes 2 as an RFA but can put up bottom-six totals. Hallinder is a 2018 2nd round picked center playing in the SHL with decent size (6'1, 190).

He was the best trade piece we have without making a monster splash and moving Mitch or Willy, and we got a mid 1st and saved 1.2 against the cap.

Good trade.

no he saved 3.2m in cap Rod is no cap hit next season atm

 

[Faltorvo]

They would have complained hard if Kapanen was lost expansion draft for nothing.

This is how offseason asset management works. You have a JVR with a Kapanen in house, you move JVR. You have a Robertson in the wings, Michayev, you move the asset.

Teams like Pittsburgh/Boston/Chicago have changed wingers 100 times.

ummmm ,we would have not lost Kappy to seattle

take a look,,, we don't have 6 forwards to protect

 

[Faltorvo]

I really don't see any way we can fit even a 5M forward to the lineup and improve the D from where it stands today (not even compared to last year.) Assuming we keep the big 4 that is

kef/johns gone that clears almost 7m

i have 0 use for either of them in the bottom 6

 

[Faltorvo]

You might have to package Dermott/Johnsson/Lily in some package which I would do for that 3rd D.

Then top 6
Hyman - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - JT - (Hyman)

Rielly - Muzzin - 3rd guy

Sandin/Holl/UFA/?

Core needs to show more this year though.

i used to like you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you put lilly in a package,,,,,,now you die

 

[disgruntleddave]

Does no one else find this part insane? Yeah Andy might not be the ideal #1G, and yeah more cap space would be lovely, but to give him away for nothing? Dafuq?

The only way he goes is if we can get a reasonable longer term replacement, so we can not lose the asset for nothing.

 

[Faltorvo]

Which players can score 20 goals, good defense, good special teams, super fast, physical for 3mil?

engvall can cover his PK time

kappy is just "kinda physical",,,i swear this team is so SOY,,,we don't know what physical even looks like anymore.

 

[disgruntleddave]

engvall can cover his PK time

kappy is just "kinda physical",,,i swear this team is so SOY,,,we don't know what physical even looks like anymore.

If kappy always played with the edge he's shown he has once in a while, we'd be singing a very different song. Angry kappy is far better than regular kappy but he's only angry for about a 2 or 3 week stretch per year.

 

[Gallagbi]

kef/johns gone that clears almost 7m

i have 0 use for either of them in the bottom 6

The 3rd line makes ~10M. Half that going to a replacement, then 2 at league min still only leaves $3.5 to upgrade the D and that doesn't account for internal raises.

I don't see how it's possible to add a $5M forward to this core and upgrade the D. But the poster did say he dreamt it to be Selanne/Kariya type deals.

 

[DopeyFish]

i think the 4 players being dangled are hyman, rielly, kerfoot and *maybe* andersen

hyman, in my mind, is the most likely player to be dangled. dude just did 40 points, 47 pace and 60 pace and is a gud pro meaning some idiot is going to want to overpay for him. his point share is an incredible overperformance due to his presence on the top line. looking at 1st + conditional 2nd

rielly same situation... 2 firsts + top prospect

56 pace, 72, 52 pace...

even just focusing on those 3 outside of andersen, you can get an absolute volley of futures and prospects, cap space while impacting very very little of the core.

if leafs play their cards right, they could set themselves up nicely for the future and open up potential flexibility on trading out bigger contracts if needed later on.

 

[Stephen]

Does no one else find this part insane? Yeah Andy might not be the ideal #1G, and yeah more cap space would be lovely, but to give him away for nothing? Dafuq?

Well, if they moved him to clear cap and then gave the bulk of his salary cap allotment to let's say Jacob Markstrom, plus a small kicker that's a win for the Leafs. But obviously, I would want them to recover a couple of assets for Andersen in such a move.

 

[Stephen]

kef/johns gone that clears almost 7m

i have 0 use for either of them in the bottom 6

If we need a useless centerman to throw out there to replace Kerfoot, Rodrigues would be a cheaper option.

 

[kb]

i think the 4 players being dangled are hyman, rielly, kerfoot and *maybe* andersen

hyman, in my mind, is the most likely player to be dangled. dude just did 40 points, 47 pace and 60 pace and is a gud pro meaning some idiot is going to want to overpay for him. his point share is an incredible overperformance due to his presence on the top line.

rielly same situation

56 pace, 72, 52 pace... we're talking at minimum blue chip prospect plus top 15 first

even just focusing on those 3 outside of andersen, you can get an absolute volley of futures and prospects, cap space while impacting very very little of the core.

if leafs play their cards right, they could set themselves up nicely for the future and open up potential flexibility on trading out bigger contracts if needed later on.

It's already been posted. The 4 are:

Andersen
Johnsson
Kerfoot
Engvall.

Hyman and Rielly are going nowhere.

 

[Leafmealone11]

Robertson can slide in and fill in that gap, how exactly did the Leafs get worse?

They created more than $3 million in cap room and added a 1st, opened up a spot in the lineup for their best prospect and got another prospect who is probably top 5 in their system now.

He is a small rookie that will bleed goals against and get pushed around the first couple years. His first step is crazy slow also
They got worse

 

[Leafsfan74]

If kappy always played with the edge he's shown he has once in a while, we'd be singing a very different song. Angry kappy is far better than regular kappy but he's only angry for about a 2 or 3 week stretch per year.

Angry Kap was great. He was too happy too often though.

Dubas is right, he hasn't reached his peak. He will find his groove in Pittsburgh. He better for a first rounder.

Leafs received full value, but the asset should be put in play, or, at very least the $3.2 well spent on a vital pick up.

 

[Deebo]

Does no one else find this part insane? Yeah Andy might not be the ideal #1G, and yeah more cap space would be lovely, but to give him away for nothing? Dafuq?

sticky has the quote wrong from the athletic, its a " "useful" but low-cost asset ", not useless.

 

[Faltorvo]

The 3rd line makes ~10M. Half that going to a replacement, then 2 at league min still only leaves $3.5 to upgrade the D and that doesn't account for internal raises.

I don't see how it's possible to add a $5M forward to this core and upgrade the D. But the poster did say he dreamt it to be Selanne/Kariya type deals.

half that to replace them?? what are you smoking roberts/engv/bara =2.9m ish

johns/kerf/kappy = 10m

it would take 1/3 rd to replace them

 

[kb]

He is a small rookie that will bleed goals against and get pushed around the first couple years. His first step is crazy slow also
They got worse

Yeah, rookies never improve.

 

[Stephen]

He is a small rookie that will bleed goals against and get pushed around the first couple years. His first step is crazy slow also
They got worse

I didn't totally mind his skating, but found his hunched over, shuffling stride makes it look like he's forever lunging and reaching for the puck and not totally in control of the play in any meaningful way and struggled to slow things down to process the action around him. My concern would be he's going to be a tunnel vision guy from his posture.

 

[Gallagbi]

Angry Kap was great. He was too happy too often though.

Angry Kap also threw his stick on the PK at a player. He wasn't always the brightest guy

 

[Faltorvo]

If we need a useless centerman to throw out there to replace Kerfoot, Rodrigues would be a cheaper option.

i would be fine with engval

rod made 2m last season, i have little interest in that

 

[Gallagbi]

half that to replace them?? what are you smoking roberts/engv/bara =2.9m ish

johns/kerf/kappy = 10m

it would take 1/3 rd to replace them

Did you read my post or what was being discussed?