Confirmed with Link: [TOR/PIT] RW Kapanen, D Lindgren, LW Aberg for '20 1st(15th), LW Rodrigues, C Hallander, D Warsofsky

[LeafChief]

I've read comparisons to a better skating Hornqvist. That sounds awesome.

That would be ideal. He sounds like prospect in the same ilk as Grundstrom.

 

[Antropovsky]

Anyone hear Burke on the radio earlier?

Damn he roasted Kapanen.

...... summary?

 

[LeafGrief]

I really like Kapanen and was against trading him this summer. But hot damn, that's a very impressive haul that we got for him. I wouldn't be shocked to see us trade the 1st, we could probably pick up a pretty good defenseman with that. And making the pick wouldn't be bad either, there's always very good players available at 15. And sounds like the brass is high on Hallander too, which is nice to hear. Just the 15th would be a great return for Kappy, but grabbing a good prospect as well is gravy. Great trade by Dubas.

Kappy is the kind of guy who is going to score two every time we play them though.

 

[Faltorvo]

I mean, that looks great, but you're not making it happen under the salary cap.

actually i think that does fit the cap

 

[weems]

...... summary?

Basically called Kapanen soft, had terrible hands and that the Leafs wouldnt miss him one bit.

His quote was actually something like.

"Leafs wont miss him for 1 second, 1 minute or 1 game".

You'd think we were trading a total scrub. It honestly felt like Burke had some agenda against Kap considering how much he was trashing him.

 

[EGL22]

Good trade. As another poster said, losing Kapanen does not move our team back one bit. You could easily replace him on that line with Engvall or Mikheyev internally, and it would look basically identical.

Let's see what Dubas does next. His trades have mostly been very good.

As usual Leaf optimism shines bright on our unproven young guys.
No problem that Engvall,Mikheyev and Robertson can step in and replace players even though none have proven anything yet.

I have seen and heard it all before with big love for Brown,Soshnikov,Moore and the Swedes,Fins,Russians we signed and even with Kappy and Johnsson themselves.

I probably forgot others gone but for me I have long been in the I'll believe it when I see it camp and will always not get too excited about our shiny new toys.

Kappy may not have turned out as good as many hoped but he still proved he could score 20 and be a dangerous guy on the PK.

 

[Antropovsky]

Basically called Kapanen soft, had terrible hands and that the Leafs wouldnt miss him one bit.

His quote was actually something like.

"Leafs wont miss him for 1 second, 1 minute or 1 game".

You'd think we were trading a total scrub. It honestly felt like Burke had some agenda against Kap considering how much he was trashing him.

Have to agree...Kaps was a bit of a one trick pony. Speed to kill...and no chemistry with anyone.

 

[Faltorvo]

Using the logic that Kapanen was better for Pittsburgh instead of the 15th overall pick, why wouldn't Don Waddell use that same type of thinking for Carolina and the 13th overall pick?

because Caro does not have Sid/Letang/Malkin/Hornq careers winding down

Time is not on Pitts side

 

[TMLeafer]

Been mulling this over most of the day.

One of Kapanen, Johnsson, or Kerfoot had to go. Kapanen was probably the most intriguing to other teams. I'm still on board to trade Kerfoot.

Kapanen seemed to have stagnated in development. If he proved to be a viable top 6 option here, I would be hesitant to trade him but he never seemed comfortable in that role.

I'm thrilled with the return, but I don't think Rutherford is completely off his rocker, because if he plays with Malkin or Crosby, it might work. Amazing speed, but the rest of his body or his brain can't keep up with it.

It still doesn't solve the overall team identity issue but I hope the cap space is put to good use (I'm guessing it goes towards Mikheyev's extension)/

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Basically called Kapanen soft, had terrible hands and that the Leafs wouldnt miss him one bit.

His quote was actually something like.

"Leafs wont miss him for 1 second, 1 minute or 1 game".

You'd think we were trading a total scrub. It honestly felt like Burke had some agenda against Kap considering how much he was trashing him.

Does Burke know it's possible to criticize a player without calling them soft?

 

[kb]

That’s tempting, probably will ask Ducks to add the Boston 1St rounder and it is a very even deal on both sides.

Isn't that a lot more than Johnsson and a 1st I suggested for the same return minus Rackell?

 

[stickty111]

May as well post this here

I will summarize what Mirtle and Lebrun said in their respective articles on the Athletic in own words.

Mirtle
Leafs got tired of Kapanen't act on ice and off ice. Other teams backed off when they did more research.
4 players are being dangled by the Leafs.

Andersen can be had for a useless low cost asset. Would be a cap clearing move.

Kerfoot

Engvall may go because the Leafs might want more of a physical element in the bottom 6.

Johnsson- The Leafs still like him a lot so they won't just give him away. It would have to be a precurser to a deal that lands them a defenceman.

There is no intention to trade Nylander, or at least right now.

Lebrun
Leafs spoke with teams like the Devils, Preds, Ducks, Wild, Blackhawks and Canes.

Leafs tried getting #13 back but no way that was happening. Same with the Ducks who weren't trading #6. Devils were willing to trade one of their lower 1sts, but they weren't trading a good prospect plus another piece as well on top.
Leafs asked for #17 from the Hawks but no interest.
Leafs probably asked for #11 from Preds, but that didn't happen.
Wild and Leafs engaged, but #9 pick was out of the question.
Oilers and Habs knew Kapanen was available, but again they weren't going to trade their 1sts for him.

Leafs and Andersen's group haven't talked. There was no mention of Matt Murray in the dialogue between Leafs and Pens.

 

[Brobust]

As usual Leaf optimism shines bright on our unproven young guys.
No problem that Engvall,Mikheyev and Robertson can step in and replace players even though none have proven anything yet.

I have seen and heard it all before with big love for Brown,Soshnikov,Moore and the Swedes,Fins,Russians we signed and even with Kappy and Johnsson themselves.

I probably forgot others gone but for me I have long been in the I'll believe it when I see it camp and will always not get too excited about our shiny new toys.

Kappy may not have turned out as good as many hoped but he still proved he could score 20 and be a dangerous guy on the PK.

The objective here is to replace 15 goals, not 40 goals.

Expecting one of Robertson/Mikheyev to do that is more than reasonable, considering Mikheyev was on a 15 goal pace this season anyway.

This is quite the overreaction.

 

[Gabriel426]

Isn't that a lot more than Johnsson and a 1st I suggested for the same return minus Rackell?

To me it is Manson for 15th overall.
Rackell, Comotis and Boston 1st round pick for Willie. There is no doubt Willie is the better player but Rackell did put up 30 goals twice and I think he can produce 30goals again playing with either AM or JT.
Also, I am thinking and hoping TB can beat Boston, so the pick will be 23rd-25th instead of late 28th- 31st.

 

[3headeddragon]

The fact that it was Aberg and not Bracco was telling that Dubas either:

1. Is keeping Bracco
2. Thinks he can get something for him
3. Is already part of another deal

4. Pittsburgh wanted no part of him

 

[The CyNick]

I've read comparisons to a better skating Hornqvist. That sounds awesome.

Saw that same quote. Don't trust tje source as much.

I haven't seen him enough, so I have no idea. We'll see when he gets here what he's got. I said before, I'm happy it's not another small winger. Even if he never turns it, the trade was good if it's just Kap for the pick. Anything extra is gravy. Now it's up to the scouts to earn their money.

 

[Leafsfan74]

As I've repeated a few times, I've had no issue with Dubas' trades, he certainly received maximum value in this trade as well.

When you decide you have to make moves, you make them. If you can get a First Rounder ever, and don't have to take back any cap; you are always going to have at least one Golden asset in return. First Round picks are gold, especially in deep drafts.

I imagine, as I initially suggested and he seemed to have confirmed in his Q & A, that Leafs are going to (or at least quite willing to based on the Leafs current team position) flip this pick. I'm not sure how he feels about the UFA market, it's just too difficult to gauge right now due to the virus and flat cap. I think this could end up as a benefit to the Leafs who could find some deals in a market where other teams are gun shy to commit cash to an unknown short term future league situation.

 

[kb]

To me it is Manson for 15th overall.
Rackell, Comotis and Boston 1st round pick for Willie. There is no doubt Willie is the better player but Rackell did put up 30 goals twice and I think he can produce 30goals again playing with either AM or JT.
Also, I am thinking and hoping TB can beat Boston, so the pick will be 23rd-25th instead of late 28th- 31st.

That's actually not a better of a return than what Kappy got. IMO it's nowhere near enough, and more importantly....there is no real point to doing so.

 

[Gallagbi]

Kerfoot

Engvall may go because the Leafs might want more of a physical element in the bottom 6.

Johnsson- The Leafs still like him a lot so they won't just give him away. It would have to be a precurser to a deal that lands them a defenceman.

The more I think about the team, the more I lean towards keeping AJ. We have some unproven wingers, his value is likely the lowest of the ~$3M group and he's shown some chemistry with AM and Tavares. Gives them options and can play anywhere on the top 3 lines.

What did they say about Kerfoot?

 

[The CyNick]

May as well post this here

I will summarize what Mirtle and Lebrun said in their respective articles on the Athletic in own words.

Mirtle
Leafs got tired of Kapanen't act on ice and off ice. Other teams backed off when they did more research.
4 players are being dangled by the Leafs.

Andersen can be had for a useless low cost asset. Would be a cap clearing move.

Kerfoot

Engvall may go because the Leafs might want more of a physical element in the bottom 6.

Johnsson- The Leafs still like him a lot so they won't just give him away. It would have to be a precurser to a deal that lands them a defenceman.

There is no intention to trade Nylander, or at least right now.

Lebrun
Leafs spoke with teams like the Devils, Preds, Ducks, Wild, Blackhawks and Canes.

Leafs tried getting #13 back but no way that was happening. Same with the Ducks who weren't trading #6. Devils were willing to trade one of their lower 1sts, but they weren't trading a good prospect plus another piece as well on top.
Leafs asked for #17 from the Hawks but no interest.
Leafs probably asked for #11 from Preds, but that didn't happen.
Wild and Leafs engaged, but #9 pick was out of the question.
Oilers and Habs knew Kapanen was available, but again they weren't going to trade their 1sts for him.

Leafs and Andersen's group haven't talked. There was no mention of Matt Murray in the dialogue between Leafs and Pens.

It's for the best we didnt go after Murray. Seems like the league is moving towards having two goalies that share duties. This makes it easier for younger guys to get in on the cheap and have a vet alongside them.

I liked Andersen, but unless you've got a top five goalie, I wouldn't want to shell out big bucks for one guy. Would rather have two guys making under $4M than one guy at $8M.

 

[EGL22]

The objective here is to replace 15 goals, not 40 goals.

Expecting one of Robertson/Mikheyev to do that is more than reasonable, considering Mikheyev was on a 15 goal pace this season anyway.

This is quite the overreaction.

You think I am overreacting and I think you are being over optimistic.
On pace for stuff means nothing as tons of players looked good using that on pace junk and faded away.
Lets see him do it for 80 games and playoffs before we stamp him a solid regular.
Same goes for all the guys that have not played a whole season yet.

15 goals plus PK plus one of the key guys used late in games to protect a lead and a guy that at least had some sandpaper.
This can be replaced of course but these guys have to prove they can do it.
Great if they can but if not it means we got even worse and nothing in the minors left to fix it.

 

[The CyNick]

The more I think about the team, the more I lean towards keeping AJ. We have some unproven wingers, his value is likely the lowest of the ~$3M group and he's shown some chemistry with AM and Tavares. Gives them options and can play anywhere on the top 3 lines.

What did they say about Kerfoot?

AJ is the exact type of player we should be avoiding. You have $40M in the top two lines. They have each other to create offense. What each of those lines need is someone who is nasty to play against and can crash the net. AJ is none of those things. Trade him now. Trade him fast. Trade him hard. Just trade him.

 

[Havoc]

That's actually not a better of a return than what Kappy got. IMO it's nowhere near enough, and more importantly....there is no real point to doing so.

Surprised you found that return even worth replying to. I was thinking about it and said nahhhh

 

[Ifittex il Verita]

You think I am overreacting and I think you are being over optimistic.
On pace for stuff means nothing as tons of players looked good using that on pace junk and faded away.
Lets see him do it for 80 games and playoffs before we stamp him a solid regular.
Same goes for all the guys that have not played a whole season yet.

15 goals plus PK plus one of the key guys used late in games to protect a lead and a guy that at least had some sandpaper.
This can be replaced of course but these guys have to prove they can do it.
Great if they can but if not it means we got even worse and nothing in the minors left to fix it.

I don't agree with that at all. I never understood how people came away with Kapanen being a gritty player. He had a few alright games this year but for the majority of his time in Toronto I thought he was on the soft side. Very inconsistent too.
This fanbase's standards have sunk so low that Kapanen is somehow considered gritty.

 

[Ifittex il Verita]

AJ is the exact type of player we should be avoiding. You have $40M in the top two lines. They have each other to create offense. What each of those lines need is someone who is nasty to play against and can crash the net. AJ is none of those things. Trade him now. Trade him fast. Trade him hard. Just trade him.

AJ should absolutely be next on the trade list.