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Confirmed with Link: [TOR/PIT] RW Kapanen, D Lindgren, LW Aberg for '20 1st(15th), LW Rodrigues, C Hallander, D Warsofsky

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IrishInOntario said:
If you trade Johnsson to Carolina for Morgan Geekie and Janne Kuokannen, you wind up with a fixed defense core, dangerous foreard core and a completely revamped and re-stocked, near NHL ready, prospect pool

Hyman / Matthews / Marner
Mikheyev / Tavares / Rackell
Robertson/ Engvall / Comtois
Clifford / Spezza / Barabanov
Gauthier

Reilly / Petriangelo
Muzzin / Manson
Lehtonen / Holl
Sandin

Prospects
Morgan Geekie
Janne Kuokannen
Maxime Comtois
Filip Hallander
Return for Dermott
Return for Kerfoot

No Brainer, IMO.
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I mean, that looks great, but you're not making it happen under the salary cap.
 
LastOne2100 said:
I think this is an alright trade that gets us some cap relief that we desperately need.

Kapanen is what he is, a 40-50 point player who can help out the PK. He lacks the intensity that's needed for playoff success, and after watching his playoff performance this year, I'm not sad to see him go.

However, we just got worse today, not better - so I hope Dubas has a lot more up his sleeve.
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Robertson can slide in and fill in that gap, how exactly did the Leafs get worse?

They created more than $3 million in cap room and added a 1st, opened up a spot in the lineup for their best prospect and got another prospect who is probably top 5 in their system now.
 
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PromisedLand said:
of course canes were interested in both nylander/kapanen; but kapenen is definitely not worth the 13th overall. Canes can draft or use it to get a lot better value than kapanen
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Using the logic that Kapanen was better for Pittsburgh instead of the 15th overall pick, why wouldn't Don Waddell use that same type of thinking for Carolina and the 13th overall pick?
 
LeafsNation75 said:
Based on the reports it's obvious other teams besides the Penguins and Hurricanes were interested in trading for Kapanen, so why would he need to be pumping up Dubas for making a good trade.
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Just a suggestion. But I find it interesting how Canes said no but Pens said yes even though it is 2 spots lower plus other players.
 
LeafsNation75 said:
Using the logic that Kapanen was better for Pittsburgh instead of the 15th overall pick, why wouldn't Don Waddell use that same type of thinking for Carolina and the 13th overall pick?
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Kapanen is not worth 15th overall IMO; dubas just fleeced JR in this deal

that said; 15th overall is a future value I hope one day plays on the leafs and is not a bust. Need to draft carefully here
 
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Gabriel426 said:
Just a suggestion. But I find it interesting how Canes said no but Pens said yes even though it is 2 spots lower plus other players.
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The only difference is Carolina doesn't have any players like Crosby and Malkin, so I assume Rutherford thought Kapanen is better then the 15th pick. Although Carolina did make the Eastern Conference Final in 2019 and the playoffs again this year, so who knows if Kapanen would have made a difference for them next season.
 
LeafsNation75 said:
The only difference is Carolina doesn't have any players like Crosby and Malkin, so I assume Rutherford thought Kapanen is better then the 15th pick. Although Carolina did make the Eastern Conference Final in 2019 and the playoffs again this year, so who knows if Kapanen would have made a difference for them next season.
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Canes bad luck they ran into boston in the 1st round or they may have made it a little further.

i hate boston with a passion but that that team plays with structure
 
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Jimmy Firecracker said:
Trading Andersen should definitely be explored given his UFA status next year. I think it was Mirtle who wrote that Leafs management was frustrated with Andersen. Can’t say I blame them.
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Thinking the exact same thing, I think Buffalo would be a great landing spot. Basically their 2020 And 2021 2nd rounder. We in turn sign Lehner to a 6x6.
 
PromisedLand said:
Kapanen is not worth 15th overall IMO; dubas just fleeced JR in this deal

that said; 15th overall is a future value I hope one day plays on the leafs and is not a bust. Need to draft carefully here
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Since other teams were also interested in Kapanen maybe they also offered their 2020 1st round picks, however Dubas obviously liked the prospects best from Pittsburgh or they wanted to dump a bad contract on the Leafs for them to accept a 1st round pick.
 
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PromisedLand said:
Kapanen is not worth 15th overall IMO; dubas just fleeced JR in this deal

that said; 15th overall is a future value I hope one day plays on the leafs and is not a bust. Need to draft carefully here
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I don't know about fleeced. Let's put it this way, JR has now taken two different franchises and won three cups doing what he does. There has been no fleecing here. Apparently Lou was too old but took the Islanders who just lost their captain in free agency, got a great coach in there and are in the second round. The people that have been fleeced here are Leaf fans.
 
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LeafsNation75 said:
Since other teams were also interested in Kapanen maybe they also offered their 2020 1st round picks, however Dubas obviously liked the prospects best from Pittsburgh or they wanted to dump a bad contract on the Leafs for them to accept a 1st round pick.
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I seriously doubt anybody else other than JR offered a 1st round pick for Kapanen.
 
BAM said:
Robertson can slide in and fill in that gap, how exactly did the Leafs get worse?

They created more than $3 million in cap room and added a 1st, opened up a spot in the lineup for their best prospect and got another prospect who is probably top 5 in their system now.
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Nick Robertson might eventually be better than Kapanen, and hell, even the 15th OA might end up better than Kapenen, but today, neither are.

This is a straight downgrade of the team right now. Key word being right now. That cap space can go a long way to making the team better when all is said and done. That's why I am simply waiting for what else Dubas has in the works.
 
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PromisedLand said:
I seriously doubt anybody else other than JR offered a 1st round pick for Kapanen.
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Unless reports get leaked out that's something we will never know. However at least Dubas set the market of a 1st round pick if he wanted to trade Andreas Johnsson and he would have got at least that and more if he wanted to trade William Nylander.
 
LastOne2100 said:
I think this is an alright trade that gets us some cap relief that we desperately need.

Kapanen is what he is, a 40-50 point player who can help out the PK. He lacks the intensity that's needed for playoff success, and after watching his playoff performance this year, I'm not sad to see him go.

However, we just got worse today, not better - so I hope Dubas has a lot more up his sleeve.
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I agree with most of what you said but Kapanen has been a very solid playoff producer and especially good in clutch moments.

He has that lethal speed and skill to be able to change the momentum of a game if the right pass comes along.

That said, we traded away one missile and have other, different options to fill that turret, so I fully agree with letting him go, especially given the value we got in return.
 
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daveleaf said:
I don't know about fleeced. Let's put it this way, JR has now taken two different franchises and won three cups doing what he does. There has been no fleecing here. Apparently Lou was too old but took the Islanders who just lost their captain in free agency, got a great coach in there and are in the second round. The people that have been fleeced here are Leaf fans.
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usually trades should be looked at with "context" not just the transaction on its own

Malkin/Letang are UFAs in 2 to 3 years I think; and Crosby will be around 37 at that time so JR is trying to "win now" and maximize the opportunity before it is too late

Leafs on the other hand just cleared the cap space issue that was self inflicted to begin with. Leafs haven't really addressed the short comings of the team; this team isn't any better than the roster last year even after re-signing dermott/mikheyev; as now we will have one less proven NHLer on the roster (Kappy) and we will hope Robertson can fill that position successfully. Leafs get the 1st; but that 1st will probably help the team 3/4 years down the road right about the time Matthews is about to hit UFA and JT is probably in severe decline.

Leafs by no means are better than previous season.

I was just saying that even though Kappy makes the pens better; 1st round pick for Kapanen is too steep; JR could have gotten a better deal for 15th overall compared to Kappy.

I am not complaining though as we have that pick instead of someone else
 
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Good trade. As another poster said, losing Kapanen does not move our team back one bit. You could easily replace him on that line with Engvall or Mikheyev internally, and it would look basically identical.

Let's see what Dubas does next. His trades have mostly been very good.
 
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LeafsNation75 said:
Unless reports get leaked out that's something we will never know. However at least Dubas set the market of a 1st round pick if he wanted to trade Andreas Johnsson and he would have got at least that and more if he wanted to trade William Nylander.
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i am not too sure about that. I doubt majority of the league values players like kappy/johnsson same as 1st rounders; unless they are very confident that it will be a very late first rounder; and the team is very close to making a very strong run at the cup
 
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