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Confirmed with Link: [TOR/PIT] RW Kapanen, D Lindgren, LW Aberg for '20 1st(15th), LW Rodrigues, C Hallander, D Warsofsky

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thewave said:
Renting your own players or own rental is one of the, if not the worst practices in the NHL. The teams that don't do it seem to find better success (CHI, STL, PIT, BOS, TB to name a few). Think about what we could have turned the returns from many of those players into, if even just drafting well.
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We'd be swimming with assets right now all the way back to when we held on to Grabovski, Kulemin and MacArthur rather than trading them.

We could have gotten returns for JVR, Bozak and Gardiner as well but the team was in a different position at that point. In hindsight they should have done it but at the time, it was a very difficult choice.
 
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Gallagbi said:
Now go back and read my post, then think if any of the above relates to it.

Get a year of Kap, cash-in on a better return than expected last offseason and this offseason.
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Doesn't that suggest he wasn't a rental? The rentals are the ones you lose after the season. Kap himself was an error in judgment pretty much. I truly believe PITS was kind to us on that return.
 
thewave said:
Doesn't that suggest he wasn't a rental? The rentals are the ones you lose after the season. Kap himself was an error in judgment pretty much. I truly believe PITS was kind to us on that return.
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Says we used him for the year, then cashed in.

Your issue is losing assets for no return, correct?
 
Gallagbi said:
Says we used him for the year, then cashed in.

Your issue is losing assets for no return, correct?
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Yes. I know that wasn't the case here and credited Dubas for getting a return on him. It's a good return at that, unless he blows up and scores 30. Got sidetracked.
 
LeafChief said:
We'd be swimming with assets right now all the way back to when we held on to Grabovski, Kulemin and MacArthur rather than trading them.

We could have gotten returns for JVR, Bozak and Gardiner as well but the team was in a different position at that point. In hindsight they should have done it but at the time, it was a very difficult choice.
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Not for a winning organization.
 
thewave said:
Do you know who the 3 names are that we are getting back? I know Kappy and I know 13 OA is better than 15 OA. I know you can slice and dice it up and it's not as bad sounding now as it once was. I personally think PIT did us a favor for the two cups Kessel brought them, it was worth it for them. I don't think they would do this deal otherwise tbh, even with their cap savings for junk.
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Ottawa just traded a rental for a first plus, pits will hold kaps rights for years, it wasn’t some great deal it was ok.
They might be able to draft a better player, if they are lucky they draft a guy as good as kap. They might draft a guy that never makes it. I’m not sure why everyone acts like a mid first rounder has more value then a proven 24 year old with a contract that has the potential to play in the top 6.
 
Did the Leafs just get even softer?

What exactly does a mid first rounded typically net?
 
Gallagbi said:
Now go back and read my post, then think if any of the above relates to it.

Get a year of Kap, cash-in on a better return than expected last offseason and this offseason.
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Yeah, sounds a bit like you are heling to talk to a challenged person. I think you are doing the right thing.
 
Wafflewhipper said:
He didn’t sign him to the bad contract lou lam did as we all know. You can think there were other ways around it and some may have been available. We can’t know what was. Sh!t contract with full control by Marleau. Some kind of verbal understanding came to pass because the contract was air tight in Marleau’s favour.
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Yeah, monkeys are not real S M R T.
This was a great trade. The whole league knew that the Leafs needed to shed cap. Just like 90% of the league needs to. That's the truly brilliant part.
 
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kb said:
Yeah, monkeys are not real S M R T.
This was a great trade. The whole league knew that the Leafs needed to shed cap. Just like 90% of the league needs to. That's the truly brilliant part.
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I know eh, Someone can have Andersen $1,000,000 real money after the signing bonus. Thats currency and a very valuable asset for teams bleeding money right now. Kerfoot, Johnsson and Nylander if it goes that far. Not likely with Willy but its there in his contract too.
Great trade. I liked Kappy but its a good move
 
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Wafflewhipper said:
I know eh, Someone can have Andersen $1,000,000 real money after the signing bonus. Thats currency and a very valuable asset for teams bleeding money right now. Kerfoot, Johnsson and Nylander if it goes that far. Not likely with Willy but its there in his contract too.
Great trade. I liked Kappy but its a good move
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Freddy will fly off the shelf if he is being dangled. Nothing more valuable during a pandemic than someone whose salary is so much lower than his cap hit.
 
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kb said:
Freddy will fly off the shelf if he is being dangled. Nothing more valuable during a pandemic than someone whose salary is so much lover than his cap hit.
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Trade and sign while you have him. Lots of quality goalies UFA but is there really much difference in Andersen compared to them! Yeah, about $5,000,000 differences for next season. Not sure we should wish for him being moved ha. Mirtle started it. Not sure how good his source is. He’s been wrong lots and you are right. Teams would be crawling all over Dubas to get him. I don’t trust Rumours as a a way to roll
 
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LeafChief said:
We'd be swimming with assets right now all the way back to when we held on to Grabovski, Kulemin and MacArthur rather than trading them.
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I remember when Burke said we could have got a 1st for each of them.

Well wth, who needs those picks right, our draft is july 1st!
 
The Pens moved closer to a Cup run via this trade and the Leafs further away as Kapanen is the best player in this trade and the only real NHL ready to contribute now.

However now the key is what will Leafs do with that new Kapanen cap space, his roster replacement and what becomes of that draft pick and if its reinvested in the present or the future.

Dubas confirmed with Elliote Friedman that the pick is in play for the right deal, so now we wait and see what Kyle has in mind to improve the current roster.
 
Wafflewhipper said:
Trade and sign while you have him. Lots of quality goalies UFA but is there really much difference in Andersen compared to them! Yeah, about $5,000,000 differences for next season. Not sure we should wish for him being moved ha. Mirtle started it. Not sure how good his source is. He’s been wrong lots and you are right. Teams would be crawling all over Dubas to get him. I don’t trust Rumours as a a way to roll
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I think we should trade him too because he is 0-8 when it counts - loser. Classic can't win da big one type to me. But at 1M for last year da deal better be minimum another 2020 1st rounder which we lost for Freddy plus a lower cost NHL defender or a great d prospect or a lower cost 3C.
 
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Mess said:
The Pens moved closer to a Cup run via this trade and the Leafs further away as Kapanen is the best player in this trade and the only real NHL ready to contribute now.

However now the key is what will Leafs do with that new Kapanen cap space, his roster replacement and what becomes of that draft pick and if its reinvested in the present or the future.

Dubas confirmed with Elliote Friedman that the pick is in play for the right deal, so now we wait and see what Kyle has in mind to improve the current roster.
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Losing Kapanen neither moves the Leafs further away from the cup, nor does it get Pittsburgh any closer.

But it was a move for Pittsburgh....13 goals worth.
 
Mess said:
The Pens moved closer to a Cup run via this trade and the Leafs further away as Kapanen is the best player in this trade and the only real NHL ready to contribute now.

However now the key is what will Leafs do with that new Kapanen cap space, his roster replacement and what becomes of that draft pick and if its reinvested in the present or the future.

Dubas confirmed with Elliote Friedman that the pick is in play for the right deal, so now we wait and see what Kyle has in mind to improve the current roster.
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Dubas' desperation, survival-mode moves are most definitely coming.

Let's just hope it doesn't involve another 1st round pick and further mortgage the future in order to salvage his career and reputation in the NHL.

In fact if I was Shanahan, I'd block any move centered around 1st/2nd round draft picks.

Why let this guy borrow from the Leafs' future to fix mistakes he himself created?
 
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