Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[keonsbitterness]

I am. I went over to there board to ask if they would be content with still being in the Bedard lottery and it was pretty unanimous that with the acquisition of Debrincat and the continued development of Stutzle with their new top 6, they are most likely closer to a bubble/wild card team than they are the lottery.

......and that's why fans don't run teams.

You can be injury prone and experienced at the same time.

It's like jumbo shrimp.

 

[rocketman588]

Ottawa waived him for his cap hit.....that's all.

They want to save every nickel, and even putting Murray in the minors helped with that.

They wouldn't waive him if he wasn't terrible at hockey

If he wasn't a trash goalie someone would have also picked him up

 

[kb]

They wouldn't waive him if he wasn't terrible at hockey

If he wasn't a trash goalie someone would have also picked him up

No, they were cheap. End of story. They are still cheap today. End of story.

What competitive team has the cap space in season to claim a $6.3 million cap hit without sending a dime or a contract out? Might wanna rethink that as your basis for an argument.

 

[tmlms13]

Itrades away Kadri who everyone loves in Toronto i

If you manage like a fan you'll be sitting with them soon....... Kadri made too much money for what his role is.

Had to make a tough decision with more than just the suspension factor. He's your #3 center and on your #2 PP unit and doesn't kill penalties and not great on faceoffs.

At 4.5m that is a lot for that role. Guys like Kampf who make 2.0 and under are what you need.

 

[29Potvin]

Yes it's common. Of all the options available Murray was the near the bottom. It's why many are upset. Why not wait til after tomorrow and see what plays out? Unless word is that none wanted to sign here.

Lets say it plays out like this.
Jack to the Devils
Darcy to the Caps
And Edmonton trades for Murray and Brown as both had been tied to the Oil??

 

[WTFMAN99]

If you manage like a fan you'll be sitting with them soon....... Kadri made too much money for what his role is.

Had to make a tough decision with more than just the suspension factor. He's your #3 center and on your #2 PP unit and doesn't kill penalties and not great on faceoffs.

At 4.5m that is a lot for that role. Guys like Kampf who make 2.0 and under are what you need.

Kadri at 4.5M the last few years and not having JT under contract makes you wonder how much you could have rounded out the roster.

 

[Jeremy2020]

Like how the hell did that trade take so long to get done?

I am disappoint.

the league office saw it.. and it took awhile for them to stop laughing and approve it.

 

[rocketman588]

No, they were cheap. End of story. They are still cheap today. End of story.

What competitive team has the cap space in season to claim a $6.3 million cap hit without sending a dime or a contract out? Might wanna rethink that as your basis for an argument.

You realize if you send someone to the minors you still have to pay them their full salary right?

The only thing it effects is his cap hit. They actually pay him more in the ahl because there's no escrow.

Who do you think pays ahl salaries.

Once again they don't send him down if he's not trash and someone picks him up. If he wasn't trash there would have been teams lining up to take him every off season because the sens are so cheap

Maybe you need to think about everything that you say because it makes you look idiotic when you don't know simple shit like ahl salaries getting paid by teams

The magical salary wizard will cover it

Thoughts that kb and Kyle dubas appearently have

 

[egd27]

You can be injury prone and experienced at the same time.

Point was all the other example options had a negative tone to them to make Murray look like the wise choice.

 

[Sniper99]

1 team wins the cup every year and 31 lose, so you're saying those other 31 teams should just give up?



Losing in the 2nd round is somehow better?

I think I'm scared of the answer, it might be yes.

Jesus, if thats how you interpret that, I dont know what to say. Thats not what I said at all.

Hey Dumb Dumb. Of course its not better, but get on a run and who knows maybe you keep going past the 2nd round too. After 18-19 years of missing playoffs and getting knocked out in 5-7 games year after year 1st round exits are getting pretty old

 

[Tak7]

So you are going to describe the 11 time injured, once waived goalie as "experienced" ? I suppose that's one way to look at it.

Yes.

Unless you have another word to describe his playoff pedigree compared to almost every other name on that list, "experience" seems to fit perfectly.

 

[ACC1224]

You realize if you send someone to the minors you still have to pay them their full salary right?

The only thing it effects is his cap hit. They actually pay him more in the ahl because there's no escrow.

Who do you think pays ahl salaries.

Once again they don't send him down if he's not trash and someone picks him up. If he wasn't trash there would have been teams lining up to take him every off season because the sens are so cheap

Maybe you need to think about everything that you say because it makes you look idiotic when you don't know simple shit like ahl salaries getting paid by teams

The magical salary wizard will cover it

Thoughts that kb and Kyle dubas appearently have

 

[Racer88]

Ya, not happy with the move, stated it multiple times.

I don't think he is a worse goalie than Campbell and is potentially better, just don't have faith in the injury history.

I think I prefer this over Campbell at 5x5 or something, but not happy with this either.

Fair enough.I guess we have nothing to do now and wait and see how it all plays out

 

[weems]

Of course losing in the second round is better than losing in the first round for a young team that is trying to reach championship level.

You will play anywhere from 4-7 more games of intense, physical and tired hockey. You will now be very banged up and fatigued and you need to find ways to win important games while enduring this.

You almost start to learn just how much you really need to sacrifice both physically and mentally to win and this only increases with each round and playing more injured with less energy with each passing game.

This core hasnt even experienced what the 2nd round looks like when the game becomes less about skill/speed and more about who wants it most while playing at less than 100%.

 

[egd27]

Yes.

Unless you have another word to describe his playoff pedigree compared to almost every other name on that list, "experience" seems to fit perfectly.

Risky, Reclamation, Fragile, CTE (though an acronym) come to mind.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Opinion | Leafs fans may not like it but Matt Murray was as good a choice as any other goalie out there

If he’s not the answer, they’ll move on to somebody else, just like they simply moved on from all the others obtained from other teams over the past 15 years in the hope they’d deliver magic in the Toronto net.

www.thestar.com

Campbell did perform well in two playoff campaigns, but was outplayed in one by Carey Price and in the other by Vasilevskiy. No shame in either, but defeat is defeat for an organization that has written volumes on the topic.

Campbell might be worth the money and term he’s asking for, but probably not. Just too injury prone. We’ll soon see if Toronto going for Murray has an economic impact on what Campbell gets on the open market.

Murray and Campbell might have made an interesting duo in Toronto, but evidence suggests general manager Kyle Dubas simply doesn’t believe in investing big money in goaltending. He has no problem paying Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, William Nylander and John Tavares a massive chunk of the payroll. He clearly believes you can only get players capable of elite offensive production by paying them a great deal of money, and giving them other elite offensive players to work with.

Goalies? Just need one of them at any given time, right? They’re certainly not worth expending top draft choices on, although the Leafs may be recognizing that organizational failing and have picked three goalies — two Russians and one Swede — in the last two drafts. None in the top 100, however.

At this point, you can’t say Dubas is right and you can’t say he’s wrong. All you can say with certainty is that his philosophy of team building hasn’t got the team out of the first round.

It may, and it may be just as likely to happen with Murray, a Stanley Cup winner in the past, as Campbell.

.........................

Nobody really knows if the 28-year-old Murray will find his game in Toronto, but what goalie could possibly find their game in Ottawa? Murray didn’t answer Ottawa’s problems any more than Kuemper addressed Arizona’s troubles before moving on to Denver. Murray should be a better idea in Toronto than Petr Mrázek, who has never been a clear No. 1 in the NHL. Murray, remember, once took Marc-André Fleury’s job in Pittsburgh.

With an organization that believes goalies are a dime a dozen and places its financial priorities elsewhere, Murray is as good a choice as anyone else out there. If he’s not the answer, they’ll move on to somebody else, just like all the others obtained over the past 15 years in the hope they’d deliver magic in the Toronto net.

You can scream bloody murder if you want about this Dubas decision, but what’s the clearly superior alternative?

 

[Orfieus]

it only took 72 pages of people ranting for people to start calming down

edit: I was wrong

 

[BrannigansLaw]

There is no bigger dumbass in hockey than Kyle DUMBAS.

Everybody saw this trade coming from a mile away. I guess he was too busy looking at spreadsheets to actually watch Murray play where he was outplayed by a no name goalie in Forsberg on a crap team.

But he’s from the Soo so he’ll fit right in! Dumbas has no balls to be a real manager and move a core piece instead just filling around the edges with everyone else’s unwanted garbage.
Another year of Matthews guaranteed flushed down the drain.

Bring on the Dubas defense crew of Zekes and dekes to show us how the analytics tell us how great he actually is.

 

[Orfieus]

Opinion | Leafs fans may not like it but Matt Murray was as good a choice as any other goalie out there

If he’s not the answer, they’ll move on to somebody else, just like they simply moved on from all the others obtained from other teams over the past 15 years in the hope they’d deliver magic in the Toronto net.

www.thestar.com

Campbell did perform well in two playoff campaigns, but was outplayed in one by Carey Price and in the other by Vasilevskiy. No shame in either, but defeat is defeat for an organization that has written volumes on the topic.

Campbell might be worth the money and term he’s asking for, but probably not. Just too injury prone. We’ll soon see if Toronto going for Murray has an economic impact on what Campbell gets on the open market.

Murray and Campbell might have made an interesting duo in Toronto, but evidence suggests general manager Kyle Dubas simply doesn’t believe in investing big money in goaltending. He has no problem paying Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, William Nylander and John Tavares a massive chunk of the payroll. He clearly believes you can only get players capable of elite offensive production by paying them a great deal of money, and giving them other elite offensive players to work with.

Goalies? Just need one of them at any given time, right? They’re certainly not worth expending top draft choices on, although the Leafs may be recognizing that organizational failing and have picked three goalies — two Russians and one Swede — in the last two drafts. None in the top 100, however.

At this point, you can’t say Dubas is right and you can’t say he’s wrong. All you can say with certainty is that his philosophy of team building hasn’t got the team out of the first round.

It may, and it may be just as likely to happen with Murray, a Stanley Cup winner in the past, as Campbell.

.........................

Nobody really knows if the 28-year-old Murray will find his game in Toronto, but what goalie could possibly find their game in Ottawa? Murray didn’t answer Ottawa’s problems any more than Kuemper addressed Arizona’s troubles before moving on to Denver. Murray should be a better idea in Toronto than Petr Mrázek, who has never been a clear No. 1 in the NHL. Murray, remember, once took Marc-André Fleury’s job in Pittsburgh.

With an organization that believes goalies are a dime a dozen and places its financial priorities elsewhere, Murray is as good a choice as anyone else out there. If he’s not the answer, they’ll move on to somebody else, just like all the others obtained over the past 15 years in the hope they’d deliver magic in the Toronto net.

You can scream bloody murder if you want about this Dubas decision, but what’s the clearly superior alternative?

f*** if Cox thinks this is a decent trade Dubas royally f***ed up

 

[kb]

You realize if you send someone to the minors you still have to pay them their full salary right?

The only thing it effects is his cap hit. They actually pay him more in the ahl because there's no escrow.

Who do you think pays ahl salaries.

Once again they don't send him down if he's not trash and someone picks him up. If he wasn't trash there would have been teams lining up to take him every off season because the sens are so cheap

Maybe you need to think about everything that you say because it makes you look idiotic when you don't know simple shit like ahl salaries getting paid by teams

The magical salary wizard will cover it

Thoughts that kb and Kyle dubas appearently have

You do realize if you send someone to the minors with a $6.3 million cap hit - that you get to bury $1.125 million of it? And if you (let's say) call up a goalie who makes $787,500, you actually save money? Subtract $787,500 from $1,125,000 is a savings of $337,500. Amazing, huh?

Once again - I will type this out slowly. Ottawa waived him to save money. Period. They saved money by waiving Murray and calling up Gustafsson. Here's another fact - teams cannot claim a $6.4 million player without having the cap space.

I'll bet you wished you had waited to understand how CBA's work before you went on this long winded and 100% incorrect rant?

 

[ACC1224]

Is this what the goaltending nets out to?
1st + Mrazek for Murray(25% retained) + 2nd + 3rd + 7th

 

[kb]

Yeah, as expected, this one flew right on over here, too.

 

[rocketman588]

You do realize if you send someone to the minors with a $6.3 million cap hit - that you get to bury $1.125 million of it? And if you (let's say) call up a goalie who makes $787,500, you actually save money? Subtract $787,500 from $1,125,000 is a savings of $337,500. Amazing, huh?

Once again - I will type this out slowly. Ottawa waived him to save money. Period. They saved money by waiving Murray and calling up Gustafsson. Teams cannot claim a $6.4 million player without having the cap space. Do you understand that concept at least?

I'll bet you wished you had waited to understand how CBA's work before you went on this long winded and 100% incorrect rant?

You bury the cap hit you moron

Not the salary

Evander Kane was making more in the ahl then the NHL due to the lack of escrow. The point of burying it is to get rid of the cap hit

If we bury Simmonds. His cap is off the books but he's still getting paid.

On a two way you have an NHL and ahl salary one way part of that salary gets buried on the cap the player gets paid the amount

Imagine doubling and tripling down on being this f***ing stupid

 

[Tak7]

Risky, Reclamation, Fragile, CTE (though an acronym) come to mind.

None of those words mean experience though - which was your beef with my initial post.

 

[rocketman588]

You do realize if you send someone to the minors with a $6.3 million cap hit - that you get to bury $1.125 million of it? And if you (let's say) call up a goalie who makes $787,500, you actually save money? Subtract $787,500 from $1,125,000 is a savings of $337,500. Amazing, huh?

Once again - I will type this out slowly. Ottawa waived him to save money. Period. They saved money by waiving Murray and calling up Gustafsson. Teams cannot claim a $6.4 million player without having the cap space. Do you understand that concept at least?

I'll bet you wished you had waited to understand how CBA's work before you went on this long winded and 100% incorrect rant?

You bury the cap hit you moron

Not the salary