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Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

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Fogelhund said:
Someone has to play net. Would your rather have gambled on Georgiev? Kuemper is no better, and seeking far too much money. It's kind of one of those not many good choices, now what things. Perhaps being patient could have helped, or it could have been musical chairs, with no chairs left.
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Out of all the options available Murray has to be the worst. He's been bad for the last 3 seasons and injury prone. The worst part is they traded away an injury prone goalie for another one. IMO this is going to be the beginning of the end for Dubas.
 
ToneDog said:
Wings just traded for and just signed Husso. Canes dumped two stiffs and gambled on two vets. Worked until Andy did what Andy does.
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After trading for Ned last season! He had similar numbers to Husso when he was traded from the Canes.
Reimer had similar numbers to Raanta but on an awful team. Both Raanta and Fred were injured during the playoffs and the Canes didn't advance any farther with two vets over the two stiffs they let walk.
IT WAS A BAD TRADE and betting odds are that it will not pay off for the Leafs but I also get the Husso/Jack/kuemper contracts will not age well. We actually received draft picks for our risk
 
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I dont know why he didn't just go to his mentor Lou and say listen..You guys are trash and we need a goalie. So bend us over, id be willing.

To Islanders - 2x1st rnd pick, 2nd rnd pick, whatever prospect they want who isn't penciled into our roster + campbell rights.

To Leafs - Sorokin.

Even if its 3x1sts IDC and I honestly think most Leaf fans wouldn't either as soon as they realize we have a young stud who will be a game changer for the next 8-10-12yrs.

Hell givem Nylander if they still think they can "win now". We haven't had a real goalie since Belfore/Cujo/Potvin IMO.

We always need something my whole life it seems lol. Cant get Sundin a winger. Weak D. No goalie. Find balance ffs lol.
 
stealth1 said:
Out of all the options available Murray has to be the worst. He's been bad for the last 3 seasons and injury prone. The worst part is they traded away an injury prone goalie for another one. IMO this is going to be the beginning of the end for Dubas.
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Yes, if this doesn't work out for Dubas, and the team fails again, it's likely the end of Dubas. The rest of what you've posted, is mostly inaccurate, except the Injury prone part.
 
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29Potvin said:
After trading for Ned last season! He had similar numbers to Husso when he was traded from the Canes.
Reimer had similar numbers to Raanta but on an awful team. Both Raanta and Fred were injured during the playoffs and the Canes didn't advance any farther with two vets over the two stiffs they let walk.
IT WAS A BAD TRADE and betting odds are that it will not pay off for the Leafs but I also get the Husso/Jack/kuemper contracts will not age well. We actually received draft picks for our risk
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The difference is one team is trying to win a cup now while the other is still building. If Husso doesn't work out for the wings its not as big a deal compared to if Murray fails.
 
ToneDog said:
Let's revist what you said yesterday and see how it went.


He was better than any goalie we had in the "goals saved vs expected", for what it's worth. He was +3.2 (28th)
Every goalie the Leafs had was a negative in that category. (Jack was 68th among all goalies)
So if you work with this and realize he won't be the starter, suddenly you can see that maybe it's not the worst thing in the world for him to play the Mrazek role this season. <<<< OOOooops Murray is the starter and maybe it is the worst thing in the world.


Sens have zero leverage. None. <<< Perhaps you should have emailed Kyle. Apparently nobody told Dumb Dumb Dorion.

They either pay $7.5 million over the next 2 years in retention or $10 million in buyout. Either way, the Leafs don't care. If the Sens try to drive any sort of a bargain, the Leafs will just let them buy out Murray and then circle back to him even more cheaply. <<< Ah so that is what they did not do.

People twist themselves into knots trying to misrepresent situations....


The return will solely depend on how desperately they want to get out from under the contract. << So who was the more desperate GM ??

If he doesn't get bought out (and he can't while on IR), the Sens are on the hook for his $7 million in salary this season, plus whatever they decide to do with him for next season when his salary is $8 million ($5.33 if bought out). So a minimum of $12.33 M spent vs $7.5 M if they give full retention.

They just need to negotiate the value of saving the Sens nearly $5million. If they can't agree, then Ottawa keeps him and his full cap hit for the season. <<< Oops another fail



But as you say, not only does Ottawa want/need to settle Murray's future now, and the Leafs can't be waiting for the second buyout window. So going beyond tomorrow basically leaves Ottawa with no suitors, and they will either be forced to buy him out during the second window (if healthy), or keep him and his cash obligations for at least one more season, escalating his cost to the organization.

Toronto does have some leverage here as they can pivot elsewhere. <<< Really, so why didn't Dubas use it ??



So today you are here defending the trade and shitting on people who are critizing it for some of the same reasons you posted yesterday. Sounds kind of a hypocrite to me. But hey keep up the hard work defending your boy because he is not making it easy on his fanboys.

Later, once again I have seen enough of your bullshit and personal attacks on posters who's opinions differ than yours.

Enjoy your life kissing Dubas' ass.
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I don't think he is kissing Kyle Dubious' ass, I think he's circled round to the front.........................
 
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Fogelhund said:
Yes, if this doesn't work out for Dubas, and the team fails again, it's likely the end of Dubas. The rest of what you've posted, is mostly inaccurate, except the Injury prone part.
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How is it inaccurate. Mrazek was injury prone last year and wasn't good. They traded him away and got Murray. Who is also injury prone and wasn't good.
 
If Murray gets injured and our backup is Woll/Kallgren the season is pretty much done. This move is just as risky as if we went into the season with Mrazek as #1.
 
stealth1 said:
The difference is one team is trying to win a cup now while the other is still building. If Husso doesn't work out for the wings its not as big a deal compared to if Murray fails.
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I understand that but I was replying to the person that made it seem like the Leafs were the only team recycling goalies when its more common. The Blues are trying to win a cup and decided that Binner was a better option
 
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Face Of Bear said:
If Murray gets injured and our backup is Woll/Kallgren the season is pretty much done. This move is just as risky as if we went into the season with Mrazek as #1.
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Will probably be what happens. We’ll be scrambling to find a goalie replacement once Murray gets injured. The probability of this trade imploding is so high, it’s really hard to justify the trade.
 
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Notsince67 said:
There are backups who can be pried from teams that have an unfavorable 20-30 game start. 4.687MM in excess cap would accrue to 5.83mm after 20 Games
I will also be really ticked if Eric Comrie gets signed for cheap in free agency. Better option than Murray
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You aren't happy hitching our season onto the backs of a once-proven established starter with playoff pedigree, but are okay waiting until the middle of the season & putting all of our eggs into some glorified backup?

Make. It. Make. Sense.
 
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4thline said:
I must have missed Varly getting moved for a 2nd. Odd to see Lou hosed like that with much less proven goalies being traded for similar
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and I must have missed Campbell/keumper already signing for 6m x 5-6 yrs as well as busting in their first yr

Younger cheaper similar goalies have been traded for similar . Then again we don’t have a 2nd anyway to give , lol .

But hey we got the guy who cleared waivers and hasn’t played well or been healthy for years !
 
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Leaf Fans said:
Should have found away to get more retention a third and sevenths wort from another team.
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If went 50/50 retention through a third team it would have actually been worth it

4thline said:
I listed the 3 other goalie moved that have happened, with the difference in marginal cost to what we did.

So far no takers for those trades
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Over Murray all of them are preferred
 
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Fogelhund said:
Yes, if this doesn't work out for Dubas, and the team fails again, it's likely the end of Dubas. The rest of what you've posted, is mostly inaccurate, except the Injury prone part.
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The Murray injury prone part.

One injury riddled season doesn't make you injury prone in my books, especially when it seems to be incompetence on the part of your Strength and Conditioning staff.

Mrazek will probably bounce back and be an asset for Chicago.
 
29Potvin said:
I understand that but I was replying to the person that made it seem like the Leafs were the only team recycling goalies when its more common. The Blues are trying to win a cup and decided that Binner was a better option
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Yes it's common. Of all the options available Murray was the near the bottom. It's why many are upset. Why not wait til after tomorrow and see what plays out? Unless word is that none wanted to sign here.
 
stealth1 said:
Yes it's common. Of all the options available Murray was the near the bottom. It's why many are upset. Why not wait til after tomorrow and see what plays out? Unless word is that none wanted to sign here.
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A main reason to do the trade before free agency is it gives the front office cost certainty - they now know exactly how much they have to work with for other free agents
 
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