Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[ShaneFalco]

You can argue if he’s worth the risk with his pedigree, that’s still a tough sell. You add in the salary retention and it enters the absurd, nobody can really defend.

Ottawa fans are ecstatic.

Yup:

"But he is soooo frail. Even if they make the playoffs and he plays well, opponents know all they have to do is crash the crease once, and he's out for weeks. If the laffs what to make areal run in the playoffs, they need a legit starter with durability."

 

[Stigma]

With this deal, I think Dubas has to make some big(ish) trades now to clear capspace. He needs to make a serious attempt to get Samsonov. I think losing Kerfoot and gaining Samsonov is better than keeping Kerfoot and not affording Samsonov. Goaltending is a huge factor.

 

[Peasy]

Some people forget that half of last season Campbell was an absolute pylon. I'd say we took the far less risky option by getting Murray for 2 years rather than Campbell for 5.

You wanna know what would actually get Dubas fired? Being unable to sign Matthews because you have 3 years of dead cap space left on a bad goalie contract.

The biggest issue is Murray's health. His mediocre play the last several seasons is the 2nd biggest issue.

It is Dubas' fault for allowing his options in net going into next year+ were either overpay Campbell for at least 5x5, or trade for an often injured Matt Murray. It is inexcusable

 

[DarkKnight]

Guys, the past is the past now, look forward. What’s our next move?

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[smitty10]

Slept on it and I dislike this trade even more. Even if Dubas has all the faith in the world in Murray, to not secure 50% retention is amateur hour.

This version of Murray is a buyout candidate, Murray even at 3m is still a massive risk. Who the hell were they even negotiating against in this deal? Waste of precious cap space.

This is my thought on this as well. I'm not mad about trying out Murray in general. I'm mad about acquiring Murray at a $4.7m cap hit.

 

[fahad203]

'Coming in peace' That's how all the Scifi movies start and the next thing you know they’re all blasting ray guns everywhere.

Come in peace one of my fav childhood movies. Dolph Lundgren was awesome

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Dubas always getting saved by this false fact that the route he took was the best option available out of all the possible options.

So what was the best route?

We don't even know who the 2nd goalie is yet, I think its hard to fully evaluate this picture. When I was playing around I tried to set up a roster that committed 7M to goaltenders. I thought Murray at 3.1 (50%) would set up nicely to get another tandem option within that range, this makes it slightly harder, but if they can convince Samsonov to take a short term deal at 2.5 - hitting that 7M amount, I don't hate those two bets.

I preferred Fleury because I think he would have been the cheapest option - but he reupped in Minnesota. Happens I guess.

 

[ToneDog]

With this deal, I think Dubas has to make some big(ish) trades now to clear capspace. He needs to make a serious attempt to get Samsonov. I think losing Kerfoot and gaining Samsonov is better than keeping Kerfoot and not affording Samsonov. Goaltending is a huge factor.

Good luck. After watching Dubas lose a trade to a desperate Dorion he has cemented his fate. Sabres should be in big with Samsonov.

 

[Sypher04]

Comrie is the no.1 gamble option available this off-season and we added 4.7 mil to our cap in a gamble move instead. Who care about LTIR if he gets injured, the cap space in mrazek trade can increase as season goes on, ltir does not.

I would rather a comrie / kallgren tandem. If you're gambling on goalies today, then go young and healthy.

Most important: When campbell was giving up 10 goals a game we still won a lot of games. There was no rush to make this move we have until trade deadline 2023 to resort to a desperation play. These guys used desperation play on day 1!

You could make the argument that any of the options available would be desperation moves if your predisposition is such. Signing Campbell for a 5x5 or greater contract that he’s not worth is desperate. Same for Kuemper. Giving up a ton of assets for a #1 under contract could be construed as desperate.

The fact of the matter is the Leafs would not have done this deal for Murray specifically if their management and goalie department didn’t believe in the player.

If anything, such a risky, ballsy move, made in the face of the optics says the opposite of desperation imo. It says to me they have confidence in taking this path

We will ultimately see if it pays off or is their undoing…

 

[IrishInOntario]

I genuinely think that Dubas knows that this is his last year if the Leafs don't experience real success in the playoffs. He probably looked around the goalie market and said "who is available, that I can guarantee gets me to the 2nd / 3rd round?"... The answer of course is, nobody, therefore, the next question he asked himself is "who has at least done it before and has proven capabable"... Insert two time Cup Champion, Matt Murray.

Dubas knows that this could be it. If he's going to get fired he wants to go down with the lottery numbers that have been drawn in the past.

That doesn't make me a fan of this deal, excited at all about the use of cap space, or interested in the picks that he got back... I'm just trying to see it through his eyes.

 

[justashadowof]

Guys, the past is the past now, look forward. What’s our next move?

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Sproul, Cousins, Senyshyn and Colton White are all available as UFAs. That's my list.

If I predict even 1 player from that list of 4, something's definitely wrong. More 95% of all available hockey talent did not play in the Soo.

 

[DarkKnight]

Sproul, Cousins, Senyshyn and Colton White are all available as UFAs. That's my list.

Slow clap.

 

[ryno23]

Guys, the past is the past now, look forward. What’s our next move?

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Nick Cousins
Colin Miller
Darnel Nurse

3 Dubas targets lol

 

[TheShape]

Some people forget that half of last season Campbell was an absolute pylon. I'd say we took the far less risky option by getting Murray for 2 years rather than Campbell for 5.

This isn’t only directed at you as I keep seeing people spitting this out and it needs to end.

Our options were not to limited to either Jack Campbell or Matt Murray. Choosing neither goalie was the move.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

You could make the argument that any of the options available would be desperation moves if your predisposition is such. Signing Campbell for a 5x5 or greater contract that he’s not worth is desperate. Same for Kuemper. Giving up a ton of assets for a #1 under contract could be construed as desperate.

The fact of the matter is the Leafs would not have done this deal for Murray specifically if their management and goalie department didn’t believe in the player.

If anything, such a risky, ballsy move, made in the face of the optics says the opposite of desperation imo. It says to me they have confidence in taking this path

We will ultimately see if it pays off or is they undoing…

If we stick to just logic the retention % sways it more towards desperation.

This is not a ballsy move it is straight up dumb move to make in July before free agency. I'll meet you halfway and say it is both ballsy and stupid at the same time.

 

[Sypher04]

The lipstick on a pig is starting, just takes a while to cobble together some word salad.

I can’t speak for anyone else but my viewpoint hasn’t changed from the days leading up to the trade talking about it to taking about it post trade. The only thing that changed is I wish we got more retention.

 

[ToneDog]

Man this is like some Chuck Fletcher level type shit.

How do you get bodied by PD.

The next day and I still can't believe this is Dubas' answer.

Cant wait to rinse and repeat for 2 more years.

This time I am convinced that Shanny and co. stand zero chance of surviving another first round loss. If Murray shits the bed, it might be sooner.

Seriuosly, anybody defending this trade to a rival GM with only 25% retention a lousy 3rd and a nothing 7th is not a Leaf fan in my books.

 

[justashadowof]

Dubas always getting saved by this false fact that the route he took was the best option available out of all the possible options.

In 1 week's time this is the type of observation that will be attacked aggressively from all angles because it unravels the myth.

 

[Sypher04]

If we stick to just logic the retention % sways it more towards desperation.

This is not a ballsy move it is straight up dumb move to make in July before free agency. I'll meet you halfway and say it is both ballsy and stupid at the same time.

No. It’s ballsy to say this is my guy. The one people have been dunking on for 3 seasons (although he’s been relatively good of late when healthy enough to play). The one I’m going to get lambasted by the fans and media for acquiring and say I believe it’s the play and do it. It might turn out to be a huge mistake, but you can’t argue it takes guts to make that call.

 

[Future]

Only thing that would make me feel better about this trade is if we shipped out Kerfoot. 3 years later and I still don’t quite know what he does for this team. Not a great penalty killer (we have better), not a powerplay asset, not an impact player 5v5, and not particularly big or strong.

He’s also responsible for one of the biggest Leafs playoff gaffes I’ve seen in my lifetime. Get rid of him.

 

[justashadowof]

Come in peace one of my fav childhood movies. Dolph Lundgren was awesome

Anyone notice that when someone says they've come in peace they never have? Works with alien visitations and internet boards.

 

[DarkKnight]

I can’t speak for anyone else but my viewpoint hasn’t changed from the days leading up to the trade talking about it to taking about it post trade. The only thing that changed is I wish we got more retention.

The retention is absolutely inexcusable. You can argue Murray could be a reclamation project and Dubas looks a genius in the end, that’s a risky rationale, but sure have at it. To pay this for that, I suppose a cup win is the only elixir.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

What protection do we even offer a goalie with a injury prone tag? Our own coach thinks we are too soft around the net.

I'd have a lot more faith in this trade if we didn't have a D core full of fishermen and grandpa version of Muzzin.

 

[ToneDog]

You could make the argument that any of the options available would be desperation moves if your predisposition is such. Signing Campbell for a 5x5 or greater contract that he’s not worth is desperate. Same for Kuemper. Giving up a ton of assets for a #1 under contract could be construed as desperate.

The fact of the matter is the Leafs would not have done this deal for Murray specifically if their management and goalie department didn’t believe in the player.

If anything, such a risky, ballsy move, made in the face of the optics says the opposite of desperation imo. It says to me they have confidence in taking this path

We will ultimately see if it pays off or is their undoing…

He took the riskiest goalie and is paying him 4.7m. As much as we wanted Mrazek gone, we probably would have been better off with Mrazek. We would have kept our first and had an additional 0.9m for a backup when his groin melted. If/when Murray goes down, we are probably done.

 

[DarkKnight]

It honestly feels like we’re playing slots right now, sure it can work out, but a wise person doesn’t even play.