Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[Hoglund4MvP]

I know they did their due diligence on his medicals

After Foligno trade they don't get this benefit of doubt, especially for a bum asset like murray.

 

[DarkKnight]

I'm actually a little insulted we only got a 3rd and 7th.

Like wtf is that?

Just think of think of it as a 2nd and 6th but we just traded down a bit, it doesn’t matter anyways.

 

[the squared circle]

 

[67Cup]

I wrote earlier in the other big goalie thread that getting Murray and trying help him recover his game might be a good risk to take. I’m definitely not anti Matt Murray. But I thought that he would be available cheap and I also said the Leafs needed to add a reliable goalie partner if they took a risk on Murray.

To me, $4.7 M isn’t cheap for a recovering goalie. Moreove, it may be that the Leafs will now have trouble finding cap space for a goalie more tested than Woll or Kallgren.

The deal still could work out and I’ll be pulling for Murray. But the whole thing looks like a bigger risk than I for one thought it would be.

 

[DarkKnight]

I slept on it, I’m calm, it’s still garbage.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

He bet on the kids taking discounts as per his “we vs me” media campaign.

Now the spin is the flat cap screwed him.

Dubas f***ed himself the day he signed a non essential Tavares to that horrid deal. We had a num 1c and num 2c we didn’t need to add an overrated overpaid c at 11m .


He was so good you put him on waivers and paid to get rid of him , lol.

He didn't bet on them taking discounts. He was pretty up front about the deals the day he signed them that he preferred term on the deals because over time they age better.

Take Nylander for example - during the holdout the most obvious way to get out of it was a bridge deal, but that would have been more costly in the long-run, so they gave him a long term deal that paid more in the initial years to save on the backend of the deal.

If the cap is 90M right now, which there is no reason (other than a once in a hundred year pandemic) it isn't, the Tavares deal isn't even remotely concerning.

Tavares was a PPG #1C for only $$$, and the $$$ projections were such that they'd have ample money to fill out the rest of the roster. Ironically they still do this year, because they've done a pretty good job filling out the margins of the roster and revamping the D. They just set a franchise record for points and wins.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Signs and injury prone goalie last season for 3.8 - gets rid of him with sweetener. Turns around and signs another for a higher AAV. Now needs a reliable backup who can stay healthy

 

[justashadowof]

Just think of think of it as a 2nd and 6th but we just traded down a bit, it doesn’t matter anyways.

C'mon man. The difference between a 2nd, 6th combo and a 3rd, 7th combo is no more than the value of a 7th.

 

[DarkKnight]

C'mon man. The difference between a 2nd, 6th combo and a 3rd, 7th combo is no more than the value of a 7th.

And we always wanted that guy all along, what a steal.

 

[TheRumble]

I'm a pretty big Dubas supporter - still am, but this trade is indefensible bad. Leafs has all the leverage over Ottawa and let them off the hook. They were willing to give up a lottery quality pick to Buffalo and Dubas let them off the hook with that ask.

Murray is also a bigger injury risk than Campbell is of you go by recent history.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I wrote earlier in the other big goalie thread that getting Murray and trying help him recover his game might be a good risk to take. I’m definitely not anti Matt Murray. But I thought that he would be available cheap and I also said the Leafs needed to add a reliable goalie partner if they took a risk on Murray.

To me, $4.7 M isn’t cheap for a recovering goalie. Moreove, it may be that the Leafs will now have trouble finding cap space for a goalie more tested than Woll or Kallgren.

The deal still could work out and I’ll be pulling for Murray. But the whole thing looks like a bigger risk than I for one thought it would be.

This is it for me.

How the hell are we in any position to go this high of a cap hit on a huge gamble in net. Just trade Holl and Kerfoot and go all in on a real no.1 then.

We just went through a string of injuries with Mrazek. Just lost another 1st rounder to free up his cap hit. How do you add another potential injury disaster for a cap hit even higher than the one you got rid of?


Even the 24/7 pro dubas posters are dumbfounded and just riding on "cross fingers" for this one.

 

[Peasy]

Man this is like some Chuck Fletcher level type shit.

How do you get bodied by PD.

The next day and I still can't believe this is Dubas' answer.

Cant wait to rinse and repeat for 2 more years.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Leafs has all the leverage over Ottawa and let them off the hook

They didn't really though because Kyle was desperate

 

[TheShape]

Slept on it and I dislike this trade even more. Even if Dubas has all the faith in the world in Murray, to not secure 50% retention is amateur hour.

This version of Murray is a buyout candidate, Murray even at 3m is still a massive risk. Who the hell were they even negotiating against in this deal? Waste of precious cap space.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

I'm a pretty big Dubas supporter - still am, but this trade is indefensible bad. Leafs has all the leverage over Ottawa and let them off the hook. They were willing to give up a lottery quality pick to Buffalo and Dubas let them off the hook with that ask.

Murray is also a bigger injury risk than Campbell is of you go by recent history.

I think they needed to get 50% retention or get a 2nd instead of a 3rd/bit better sweetner - so its a loss for sure. But in fairness we're talking 1.5M in AAV or a slightly better draft pick, which isn't as consequential as people are making it out to be.

Signing Campbell to 5x5 is a bigger risk than this deal IMO. Both could easily tank - both have injury risks. The difference is if Murray flames out is easier to move 1x4.6 than it is to move 4x5mil with Campbell. Given that the Leafs need all the flexibility in the world going into the Matthews/Nylander UFA seasons, I think lining up the goalie's term is solid.

 

[ACC1224]

The only rationalization I can buy for wanting the short term option of Murray over the long term options out there is to maximize the dollars available for Matthews and Marner in two years

Don’t see what difference it makes. They’ll be paying someone to be in net in two years.

 

[Bomber0104]

Slept on it and I dislike this trade even more. Even if Dubas has all the faith in the world in Murray, to not secure 50% retention is amateur hour.

This version of Murray is a buyout candidate, Murray even at 3m is still a massive risk. Who the hell were they even negotiating against in this deal? Waste of precious cap space.

Maybe Dubas delegated the negotiating to Haley Wickenheiser and Jason Spezza?

 

[Havoc]

just came back from vacation. Left you guys alone for 2 weeks and you done f***ed up the whole team already

 

[DarkKnight]

Slept on it and I dislike this trade even more. Even if Dubas has all the faith in the world in Murray, to not secure 50% retention is amateur hour.

This version of Murray is a buyout candidate, Murray even at 3m is still a massive risk. Who the hell were they even negotiating against in this deal? Waste of precious cap space.

You can argue if he’s worth the risk with his pedigree, that’s still a tough sell. You add in the salary retention and it enters the absurd, nobody can really defend.

Ottawa fans are ecstatic.

 

[Razz]

Some people forget that half of last season Campbell was an absolute pylon. I'd say we took the far less risky option by getting Murray for 2 years rather than Campbell for 5.

You wanna know what would actually get Dubas fired? Being unable to sign Matthews because you have 3 years of dead cap space left on a bad goalie contract.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Slept on it and I dislike this trade even more. Even if Dubas has all the faith in the world in Murray, to not secure 50% retention is amateur hour.

This version of Murray is a buyout candidate, Murray even at 3m is still a massive risk. Who the hell were they even negotiating against in this deal? Waste of precious cap space.

Campbell at 5x5 is a bigger risk because its not fixable if he blows up. Kuemper long-term at more money is similar.

There unfortunately isn't a lot of sure things in the goaltending market. Its clear with their interest in Fleury and Husso that they preferred shorter term commitments, likely because they aren't sure there is a high-end option among this class. If you don't have one of the top 6-7 guys in the league, you're mostly rolling the dice. I'd rather roll the dice and be set up so that if it blows up you're not completely screwed by the contract, so I can understand the thinking.

Still would have liked a better sweetner or to get 50% retained.

I assume they will get a Reimer/Stolarz/Comrie/Samsonsov(?) tandem mate for <3m.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Some people forget that half of last season Campbell was an absolute pylon. I'd say we took the far less risky option by getting Murray for 2 years rather than Campbell for 5

Shouldn't have been in this position in the first place

 

[4thline]

Dubas moved down 13 picks to grab a more expensive (800k) albiet higher ceiling goalie and two additional draft picks (3+7).

I take that was a small win, with the potential of it being a much bigger win.

I see it similarly. Would have liked to get more retention, but I wasn't online much Friday-Monday so I really didn't get invested in this being a super big deal. It really hinges on whether you believe Minten was seriously in the conversation at 25. If this was a draft day 3 way trade it gets viewed more favourably, but that lag invited expectations for a bigger move.

 

[justashadowof]

John Vanbiesbrouck is coming back to the NHL!

Okay maybe he's the one exception.

There are some low rent possibles for 2022 (because Dubas just can't help himself giving old Soo players 2nd chances):
Zach Senyshyn
Colton White
Nick Cousins
Ryan Sproul

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Some people forget that half of last season Campbell was an absolute pylon. I'd say we took the far less risky option by getting Murray for 2 years rather than Campbell for 5.

You wanna know what would actually get Dubas fired? Being unable to sign Matthews because you have 3 years of dead cap space left on a bad goalie contract.

Dubas always getting saved by this false fact that the route he took was the best option available out of all the possible options.