Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[Racer88]

Why would Ottawa want Mrazek? Ottawa has Anton Forsberg who was an absolute stud for them and cheap

Ya this is what kills me…….we get someone else’s castoff scrap heap player yet again and they have an up and coming stud in net.
Shanny and Dubas are make a total garbage pile out of what could have been the best Leaf team ever

 

[Racer88]

At 50% retention I think I wouldn't mind this at all with all the recent deals going on. Not sure 25% was nearly enough.

Not a good trade at all.

I understand the idea behind more retention but isn’t the idea really about getting a better goalie and this guy is an injury plagued train wreck

 

[garce]

Ya this is what kills me…….we get someone else’s castoff scrap heap player yet again and they have an up and coming stud in net.
Shanny and Dubas are make a total garbage pile out of what could have been the best Leaf team ever

I have a hard time thinking of Anton Forsberg as an up and coming stud. He's about to turn 30 and has bounced betweeen AHL and NHL for a decade and has a total of around 100 games. It's true he had a good year last year in 46 games, but given his age and record annointing him as a stud seems a tad hasty. Doesn't change the terrible trade of course but let's not get carried away.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I don't know that the Leafs were the only team interested in Murray.

Edmonton might have been there too. How would we know?

Edmonton has already tampered and basically agreed to 5x5 for Campbell or something like that.

 

[justashadowof]

There is a whiff of panic to this move, a concern about the even worse optics of still not having a starting goalie after Wednesday. Dubas had the leverage and would have maintained that leverage even without a goalie next week. Dubas held the trump card of taking money off Ottawa's books. It's like Dubas has been swimming in the bottomless money printing house that is MLSE for too long and can't imagine the motivations of a cash-starved adversary.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

eh, he's 28. Perhaps has a season or 2 in him still. If it works out, it's a win maximization trade, not a value maximization trade. Tampa did a few win-max trades to help get a cup....albeit the cap hits were 1 mil or under though.

*if it doesn't work out dubas is in trouble, F level asset management continues.

 

[Racer88]

Seems like there's a call for positivity. Here it is.

The Leafs are putting their risks into a goaltender signed for a couple years instead of risking it into a Grubauer and Ullmark level goaltender. Kuemper and Campbell are 5 years at least, Murray is 2.

If it doesn't work out, getting out of the Murray deal won't be that bad. If it doesn't work out on the Campbell or Kuemper deals, it's a disaster. Leafs got a top 90 pick for taking that risk.

I'm not gonna sit here and say that Murray can be a star level goaltender. I thought Mrazek would be good. So I think Murray on a great team could probably work out. He had a decent season on an awful team. The bigger issue is health.

I understand what you have just posted and of all the bad goalie deals out there this is as you say probably the least risky but dammit isn’t the idea supposed to be to get better and not have to jump from one injury prone mess to another. I think that’s most fans frustration. We have the makings of a great team but because Dubas has left goaltending to an afterthought we are taking yet another big risk.

 

[Nylander88]

I have seen your posts about players like Simmonds, Blackwell, Kerfoot. I don’t need to debate you on your hockey knowledge……have a nice day.

Simmonds brings heart but is a rotational 13th forward at this point. I expect him and Clifford to rotate in and out this season.
Blackwell should be gone (I've never posted about him?lol)
Kerfoot is a Swiss army knife that I could take or leave. I think his 3.5mil could be better spent elsewhere on a roster that needs more bite.. but I don't hate the player.
Those are my views on these players. Not sure what you're referring to at all, but figured I should outline it all so you can always refer back. Not scared of good hockey conversation at all....so what are your differing views on these players? Curious to know oh wise one lol

 

[thusk]

Toronto

Expected goal 3e 218
Goal allowed 252

Campbell wirh hia phenomenal start still finish at -8 72

Murray everyone considerated a trash finishing at +3.78 abd before his last game was at 0.915%

The guy never had a worst % than 0.906 % during playing and allowed only once more than 2.5 goal...

A goalie who prive by the past hes clutch...

A give you a choice between exemple Binnibgton who wqs trash all season long last year but elevated his game in playoff or Husso who playing really good during regular season and trash during playoff? Who did you choose at same salary?

 

[VanW27]

Dubas is strongly motivated to line up his expiring contracts - Murray expires in 2 years along with Matthews and Nylander (also Muzzin and Brodie).

I'm guessing that's why he wanted Murray at 2 years and 4.7 per instead of Campbell at 5x5.

Not trying to justify it, I think it's a terrible trade personally, but I suspect that was Dubas' rationale - he didnt want to go past 2 years on any of the goaltender options.

 

[rocketman588]

Since we're about to get them shoved down our throat.

My favorite advanced stat for Murray is that he gave up the 22nd highest rebounds per save out of every goalie that played in the league last year

Which will go along great with our terrible net front D

 

[rocketman588]

Dubas is strongly motivated to line up his expiring contracts - Murray expires in 2 years along with Matthews and Nylander (also Muzzin and Brodie).

I'm guessing that's why he wanted Murray at 2 years and 4.7 per instead of Campbell at 5x5.

Not trying to justify it, I think it's a terrible trade personally, but I suspect that was Dubas' rationale - he didnt want to go past 2 years on any of the goaltender options.

He could have gotten husso for 3 years.

I don't understand why he's that motivated to line up the goalie deal with AM he needs to have that shit negotiated the year prior anyways.

Marner and JT expire a year later so his big deals don't even line up.

The only reason to do so is so you can pay AM like 15/17 mil a year which makes the decision to sign him for 5 even dumber

 

[thusk]

Since we're about to get them shoved down our throat.

My favorite advanced stat for Murray is that he gave up the 22nd highest rebounds per save out of every goalie that played in the league last year

Which will go along great with our terrible net front D

Terrible D who was rank 3 rd in expected goal last season for sure

 

[Racer88]

I have a hard time thinking of Anton Forsberg as an up and coming stud. He's about to turn 30 and has bounced betweeen AHL and NHL for a decade and has a total of around 100 games. It's true he had a good year last year in 46 games, but given his age and record annointing him as a stud seems a tad hasty. Doesn't change the terrible trade of course but let's not get carried away.

Lol…..fair enough

 

[VanW27]

He could have gotten husso for 3 years.

I don't understand why he's that motivated to line up the goalie deal with AM he needs to have that shit negotiated the year prior anyways.

Marner and JT expire a year later so his big deals don't even line up.

The only reason to do so is so you can pay AM like 15/17 mil a year which makes the decision to sign him for 5 even dumber

Not saying I agree with Dubas (I don't), I'm just trying to shed some light on what I believe his thought process is.

 

[Notsince67]

I cannot tell a lie. Matt Murray is awful and Dubas shit the bed.

 

[rocketman588]

Terrible D who was rank 3 rd in expected goal last season for sure

We're atrocious at crease clearing. If you don't take my word for it just ask Sheldon keefe

 

[Racer88]

Toronto

Expected goal 3e 218
Goal allowed 252

Campbell wirh hia phenomenal start still finish at -8 72

Murray everyone considerated a trash finishing at +3.78 abd before his last game was at 0.915%

The guy never had a worst % than 0.906 % during playing and allowed only once more than 2.5 goal...

A goalie who prive by the past hes clutch...

A give you a choice between exemple Binnibgton who wqs trash all season long last year but elevated his game in playoff or Husso who playing really good during regular season and trash during playoff? Who did you choose at same salary?

While this may be true I believe he has only players like 20 games each of the last few years due to injury and before that I believe he had a long list of injurie.
no matter what his expected stuff is it will not matter when he is in the press box……..see Mrazek for example

I cannot tell a lie. Matt Murray is awful and Dubas shit the bed.

Welcome back……I was worried about you.

 

[rocketman588]

While this may be true I believe he has only players like 20 games each of the last few years due to injury and before that I believe he had a long list of injurie.
no matter what his expected stuff is it will not matter when he is in the press box……..see Mrazek for example


Welcome back……I was worried about you.

Wasn't this the exact same argument we all had about mrazek last year.

Stats vs inability to stay in the net.

Just in this case the stats have been pretty bad for like 3 years especially considering he had the second best save % on the Ottawa senators...

 

[bentharbs]

Murray will end up on LTIR and Dubas will have to pay again to bring a goalie in.

I am just holding out hope that LTIR is the plan with Murray and he will preemptively bring in another.

 

[bbgobie]

Toronto

Expected goal 3e 218
Goal allowed 252

Campbell wirh hia phenomenal start still finish at -8 72

Murray everyone considerated a trash finishing at +3.78 abd before his last game was at 0.915%

The guy never had a worst % than 0.906 % during playing and allowed only once more than 2.5 goal...

A goalie who prive by the past hes clutch...

A give you a choice between exemple Binnibgton who wqs trash all season long last year but elevated his game in playoff or Husso who playing really good during regular season and trash during playoff? Who did you choose at same salary?

You need a bigger phone...

 

[Warden of the North]

The only rationalization I can buy for wanting the short term option of Murray over the long term options out there is to maximize the dollars available for Matthews and Marner in two years

 

[Racer88]

Wasn't this the exact same argument we all had about mrazek last year.

Stats vs inability to stay in the net.

Just in this case the stats have been pretty bad for like 3 years especially considering he had the second best save % on the Ottawa senators...

Yup. It’s like the movie ground hog day……..same moves over and over and same result over and over

 

[Gallagbi]

The only rationalization I can buy for wanting the short term option of Murray over the long term options out there is to maximize the dollars available for Matthews and Marner in two years

I dont think they have any faith in the long term options, so i get limiting term

 

[hotpaws]

if 6 year deals (8 years max allowed) are bridges to Nylander and Marner... I don't know what to tell you.

He bet on the cap going up. Pandemic hit - cap didn't go up. He needs to pivot - go back to the day COVID hit and the pandemic started. What do you do - which of Nylander/Marner are you trading and for what exactly? You can't trade JT, he has a NMC.

He bet on the kids taking discounts as per his “we vs me” media campaign.

Now the spin is the flat cap screwed him.

Dubas f***ed himself the day he signed a non essential Tavares to that horrid deal. We had a num 1c and num 2c we didn’t need to add an overrated overpaid c at 11m .

Murray was really good for us most of the time. It’s a better fit for him there and I’m expecting him to be pretty good next yr.

He was so good you put him on waivers and paid to get rid of him , lol.