Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.
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Apex Predator
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I thought management told him he had to find a a way to win. So he decided to trade Rask to try and save his job.
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I think if they had been willing to pay Campbell's ask or close to it he wouldn't have hesitated to sign. By all accounts he seemed to like playing here - had the longer term connection with Dubas'/Keefe, was well liked in the dressing room ect.
The front office by media reporting has barely tried to talk/negotiate with Campbell so far.
So right or wrong - too soon to say - but Leafs passing on Campbell I don't think isn't beacuse they can't sign him - it's because they don't want him.
keonsbitterness
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A year from now, Dubas will either be given an MLSE board seat, or he'll be running a Cinnabon in Omaha.
Apotheosis
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That is entirely debatable. But I would like to see you or anyone keep that team intact, he took over after the 17/18 season, his first season as GM was 18/19. I know he was in charge of the draft and free agency after the 17/18 season. During this offseason, Tavares was signed, JVR, Bozak, Komarov were all let go for free. I challenge you to improve that team, while staying cap compliant, by retaining the players you see fit with the EXACT contracts that those players got that offseason.
You can choose not to sign Tavares, I wouldn't have, I thought it was a bad deal at the time that has only gotten worse.
That is entirely debatable. But I would like to see you or anyone keep that team intact, he took over after the 17/18 season, his first season as GM was 18/19. I know he was in charge of the draft and free agency after the 17/18 season. During this offseason, Tavares was signed, JVR, Bozak, Komarov were all let go for free. I challenge you to improve that team, while staying cap compliant, by retaining the players you see fit with the EXACT contracts that those players got that offseason.
You can choose not to sign Tavares, I wouldn't have, I thought it was a bad deal at the time that has only gotten worse.
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CJ said in his columm Leafs will go after another goalie, and he mentioned Reimer as another user said and interestingly he's the only one he mentioned
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Nice breaking bad/better call Saul reference!
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The Deal Ottawa had with Buffalo that Murray nixed due to his NTC was ..
The deal would have included Ottawa retaining salary on Murray and Buffalo flipping their 16th pick of the first round to move up to 7th overall, according to Darren Dreger of TSN.
Can Leaf Nation fans imagine if Dubas had made such a similar deal that accepted Murray (with retention) and the Leafs 25th overall to move up to #7 overall and made a top pick in this draft to match the Buffalo deal (only the retention adjusted for the slight pick difference).
If Ottawa was willing to move back from #7 to #16 to dump Murray, surely a move from #7 to #25 ( a mere 9 draft spots later) wouldn't have been unreasonable to think plausible, based on the agreed and nixed earler reported trade.
Then in a secondary move Leafs would have dealt Mrazek with a 3rd and 7th like Ottawa just did to our Leafs for Murray.
Compared to what Buffalo GM Kevyn Adams who would have looked like a genius had cooked up to take Murray seems like night and day to what Dubas just did to remove Mrazek and aqcuire Murray, So instead of a 7th overall pick + Murray and dumping Mrazek for the Murray return 3rd and 7th we also sacrificed our 1st on top and we were the ones that got dumped on,
GM Dorian instead deals the #7 to Chicago for 42 goal 23 year old Alex DeBrincat and the still gets to dump Murray for a mere 3rd and 7th and promise to retain $1.5 mil for a couple of years. Thankful Murray nix his previous deal because this one is MUCH better.
Do Leaf fans honestly not see the vast difference in GM abilities here on display?
The deal would have included Ottawa retaining salary on Murray and Buffalo flipping their 16th pick of the first round to move up to 7th overall, according to Darren Dreger of TSN.
Can Leaf Nation fans imagine if Dubas had made such a similar deal that accepted Murray (with retention) and the Leafs 25th overall to move up to #7 overall and made a top pick in this draft to match the Buffalo deal (only the retention adjusted for the slight pick difference).
If Ottawa was willing to move back from #7 to #16 to dump Murray, surely a move from #7 to #25 ( a mere 9 draft spots later) wouldn't have been unreasonable to think plausible, based on the agreed and nixed earler reported trade.
Then in a secondary move Leafs would have dealt Mrazek with a 3rd and 7th like Ottawa just did to our Leafs for Murray.
Compared to what Buffalo GM Kevyn Adams who would have looked like a genius had cooked up to take Murray seems like night and day to what Dubas just did to remove Mrazek and aqcuire Murray, So instead of a 7th overall pick + Murray and dumping Mrazek for the Murray return 3rd and 7th we also sacrificed our 1st on top and we were the ones that got dumped on,
GM Dorian instead deals the #7 to Chicago for 42 goal 23 year old Alex DeBrincat and the still gets to dump Murray for a mere 3rd and 7th and promise to retain $1.5 mil for a couple of years. Thankful Murray nix his previous deal because this one is MUCH better.
Do Leaf fans honestly not see the vast difference in GM abilities here on display?
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tmlms13
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The sens also have two 7ths and he still couldn't get one of them lol
You mean our prospects were bad because we had a f*** load of young dudes in the NHL? Shit even now he inherited the best young dude on his team in lily.
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I actually think Murray could work out. I don't think alot people realize just how abysmal Campbell has been in elimination games, especially OT.
That said, even if Murray does well this is a horrible trade. It makes no sense. Ottawa was in a tight spot and at minimum should have retained 50%. Honestly, I think the additional 25% in cap space would have been more valuable than a 3rd. I would have rather had Murray at 50% with nothing else.
And if Ottawa was being cheap and wanted to pay less dollars then a 3rd just isn't enough.
If it works out and Murray is good I'll give Dubas credit for taking a chance on a goalie who has had playoff success in the past, but the trade still sucks.
That said, even if Murray does well this is a horrible trade. It makes no sense. Ottawa was in a tight spot and at minimum should have retained 50%. Honestly, I think the additional 25% in cap space would have been more valuable than a 3rd. I would have rather had Murray at 50% with nothing else.
And if Ottawa was being cheap and wanted to pay less dollars then a 3rd just isn't enough.
If it works out and Murray is good I'll give Dubas credit for taking a chance on a goalie who has had playoff success in the past, but the trade still sucks.
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No time to read 47 pages let me guess this was another superstar dubas move right ? Why not just give mrazek another chance healthy and do something better with the 25th.
Leaf Rocket
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Time Has passed....cooler head now....Nope. Still dont like the trade and the value for what could've been 
Heres hoping he is killer in the playoffs.
Heres hoping he is killer in the playoffs.Why Kyle Dubas is betting on Matt Murray - NorthStar
There may not be anyone working in the sport with a more personal understanding of Murray’s incredible peaks and valleys than Elkin.
Murray struggled in the Ontario Hockey League before a rapid ascension to becoming a two-time Stanley Cup champion by age 23. And more recently, a string of injuries have limited him to 88 appearances over the past three seasons, resulting in the Leafs needing to do a deep dive into his medical file before finally signing off on Monday’s trade with the Senators.
As many in the hockey world wonder aloud about how they could possibly entrust the 28-year-old to fill a position of weakness entering such a critical season, the connections here are essential to keep in mind.
Murray first attended one of Elkin’s camps when he was eight or nine years old. He counted him as a goaltending instructor for years after that. Any bet on his potential return to form is rooted partly in those medical records and his stretches of strong play last season, but also in something deeper the Leafs feel they know about him.
“You’re talking about a six-[foot]-four kid who can move exceptionally well side-to-side, has great agility,” Elkin told me of Murray in April 2016, after his pupil had burst onto the scene with the Pittsburgh Penguins.
“His poise is what sets him apart. Just his ability to keep his form no matter what the situation is. That’s a special talent.”
While this insight may not reduce the amount of risk inherent in the decision, it helps explain how they arrived at it.
The Leafs could have kept pending free agent Jack Campbell for something in the neighbourhood of a five-year deal at $5-million AAV, but they had some understandable concerns coming out of Campbell’s erratic season. They could have chosen to pursue Darcy Kuemper and hoped his big price tag might deliver value even after a Stanley Cup Final where Colorado had to overcome his penchant for leaky goals.
With Ottawa retaining 25 per cent of Murray’s cap hit and salary, they got him on a $4.68-million AAV over the next two seasons. He’s four years younger than Kuemper and two years younger than Campbell and he’s more accomplished than either of them.
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The Leafs also added a 2023 third-rounder and 2024 seventh-rounder as a sweetener in the trade from Ottawa. Those picks could be useful for future moves and might even be packaged to add another goaltender – how about the return of James Reimer? – as the Leafs now start searching for a No. 2 with a limited budget.
There may not be anyone working in the sport with a more personal understanding of Murray’s incredible peaks and valleys than Elkin.
Murray struggled in the Ontario Hockey League before a rapid ascension to becoming a two-time Stanley Cup champion by age 23. And more recently, a string of injuries have limited him to 88 appearances over the past three seasons, resulting in the Leafs needing to do a deep dive into his medical file before finally signing off on Monday’s trade with the Senators.
As many in the hockey world wonder aloud about how they could possibly entrust the 28-year-old to fill a position of weakness entering such a critical season, the connections here are essential to keep in mind.
Murray first attended one of Elkin’s camps when he was eight or nine years old. He counted him as a goaltending instructor for years after that. Any bet on his potential return to form is rooted partly in those medical records and his stretches of strong play last season, but also in something deeper the Leafs feel they know about him.
“You’re talking about a six-[foot]-four kid who can move exceptionally well side-to-side, has great agility,” Elkin told me of Murray in April 2016, after his pupil had burst onto the scene with the Pittsburgh Penguins.
“His poise is what sets him apart. Just his ability to keep his form no matter what the situation is. That’s a special talent.”
While this insight may not reduce the amount of risk inherent in the decision, it helps explain how they arrived at it.
The Leafs could have kept pending free agent Jack Campbell for something in the neighbourhood of a five-year deal at $5-million AAV, but they had some understandable concerns coming out of Campbell’s erratic season. They could have chosen to pursue Darcy Kuemper and hoped his big price tag might deliver value even after a Stanley Cup Final where Colorado had to overcome his penchant for leaky goals.
With Ottawa retaining 25 per cent of Murray’s cap hit and salary, they got him on a $4.68-million AAV over the next two seasons. He’s four years younger than Kuemper and two years younger than Campbell and he’s more accomplished than either of them.
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The Leafs also added a 2023 third-rounder and 2024 seventh-rounder as a sweetener in the trade from Ottawa. Those picks could be useful for future moves and might even be packaged to add another goaltender – how about the return of James Reimer? – as the Leafs now start searching for a No. 2 with a limited budget.
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Dubas is the only reason matthews marner and Nylander get better every year to the point regular season has become a joke. Without Dubas showing them how to play hockey they'd already be playing in some third world euro league. Show respect for dubas
There has been mixed reports about that deal to Buffalo. I thought Ottawa was intending to retain 50% of his contract in that deal, but thehockeyguy and SDPN both spoke of it being only 25%. If it was in fact only 25% Ottawa was willing to retain for Buffalo, I'd think Ottawa would have been willing to move back to 25 if there was no retention. Would you be okay will Murray and his full 6.25M if 7th overall was included?
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Murray can get hot at the right time, something Campbell or Andy could never do. Consistently getting outclassed by the other goalie in big games is not the recipe to success. Very thin goalie market this season, I was actually in favour of the deal, just wish Ottawa took a bit more retention.
binop7
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Not convinced Murray can even stay healthy. He failed the end of the season physical with Ottawa
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