Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[Amadeus]

Dubas has been trying to acquire him before he was shipped to Ottawa. We know that.

This is probably his last shot to see any type of playoff success. You never want goaltending to be a question mark going into the season but it is and Murray has to prove two things this year - remain healthy and perform as a number 1.

It's too much to ask.

 

[uncleben]

Dubas really is bordering on JFJ level bad here.

JFJ traded away a future all-star goaltender

Dubas traded away "future considerations"

The sky is not falling.

 

[LaPlante94]

I think they take a stab at Blackwood from NJ, he's young, a LOT of upside still there, things between him and NJ aren't good so a chance of scenery could be huge for him and he's on a cheap contract.

Perfect dude to platoon that if everything goes right could just end up stealing that starters job from Murray.

Blackwood makes sense because I believe he works with one of our teams goalie coaches or a former goalie coach that got promoted within the organization during the summers.

 

[PromisedLand]

Dubas really is bordering on JFJ level bad here.

if you apply context dubas has surpassed JFJ's incompetence long ago.

dubas came into the situation that any GM would give and arm and leg for

• Team on the rise
• Team that had their best season yet
• Plenty of cap space
• Plenty of assets (picks/prospects)

just look at where we are now.

I don't think even JFJ screws it up as bad as Dubas did if JFJ was calling the shots after Lou left

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Dubas isn’t infallible, even his biggest supporters can criticize his worst moves.

Unfortunately this one is bad, almost unexplainable honestly

It only makes sense if this is part one of a two trade deal with the Sens.
If a second deal comes that is tipped to the Leafs benefit, like Kerfoot for Connor Brown with 50% retention, which would save Ottawa $1,250,000 in real money and Toronto $1,500,000 against the cap, then it may make sense.

 

[rocketman588]

if 6 year deals (8 years max allowed) are bridges to Nylander and Marner... I don't know what to tell you.

He bet on the cap going up. Pandemic hit - cap didn't go up. He needs to pivot - go back to the day COVID hit and the pandemic started. What do you do - which of Nylander/Marner are you trading and for what exactly? You can't trade JT, he has a NMC.

Walking them too free agency is literally a bright dude AM is on 5 anyways

No one in the league allocated resources like he did.

We also wasted 6.3 mil in bad contracts in ufa last year and somehow have the money to blow 4.6 mil on the sens back up so he's either learned nothing or he's not hurting as much as he'd like us to think with the flat cap

 

[Stephen]

If the Leafs had wanted Campbell he would have been signed well before the draft. For better or for worse a decision was made to not re-sign him.

I’m not sure the Leafs still had control of that situation like that.

 

[Rude Dog]

Great trade. As long as we draft the next Lidstrom with that 3rd round pick.

 

[keonsbitterness]

They cannot extend Matthews until next JuSo let me get this straight. His NTC kicks in July 1st and he can't be extended until then? One day? 12:01?
That doesn't seem right. Because if what you are saying is true, then we don't have control over Matthews because of that stupid ass contract?

We don't. Which is why the Leafs have to talk to him when 22-23 ends and get a framework for a deal completed ASAP. I expect they will, but if they can't, they have to seriously consider trading him before July 1st.

It gets even better with Marner. His NMC takes effect the same day, but his is for the final two years of his deal, so the Leafs have even less leverage with him.

I agree with this.

The issues is people here were expecting a superstar in net.

If Murray can give us consistent goaltending, that's all we need. The issue is if Murray becomes another Mrazek, then why did we have to trade Mrazek?

Mrazek at 3.8M X 2 + we keep our original 1st
OR
Murray at 4.68x2?

Murray actually has to be an average starter for this to make sense

He has to win in the playoffs for this to make sense.

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

I love how Dubas couldn’t even get the 7th round pick for this years draft lolz. You know you’re a duster of a GM when you couldn’t negotiate a 7th round pick for the current years draft

 

[Magnum23]

Let’s look back at this trade in a few years. This could be the trade that either helps the Leafs lock up Matthews forever or see him leave on the first flight out of Toronto the hour he hits UFA

 

[ToneDog]

JFJ traded away a future all-star goaltender

Dubas traded away "future considerations"

The sky is not falling.

My understanding is JFJ was told to move Rask for Raycroft by Leafs management.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

if you apply context dubas has surpassed JFJ's incompetence long ago.

dubas came into the situation that any GM would give and arm and leg for

• Team on the rise
• Team that had their best season yet
• Plenty of cap space
• Plenty of assets (picks/prospects)

just look at where we are now.

I don't think even JFJ screws it up as bad as Dubas did if JFJ was calling the shots after Lou left

The team just set the franchise record for wins and points.

Prospects are better now than when he took over FWIW - when Dubas came in the top prospects were Korshkov, Grundstrom, Bracco. Now its Knies, Robertson, Niemela.

I don't like this trade but come on lol

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

if you apply context dubas has surpassed JFJ's incompetence long ago.

dubas came into the situation that any GM would give and arm and leg for

• Team on the rise
• Team that had their best season yet
• Plenty of cap space
• Plenty of assets (picks/prospects)

just look at where we are now.

I don't think even JFJ screws it up as bad as Dubas did if JFJ was calling the shots after Lou left

Arguing that the team Dubas inherited was a team that just had it's best season, when they have continued to surpass that best season since he took over makes you look super dumb.

 

[3blizzard4]

Without Dubas, where would HfBoards be? He singlehandedly keeps this board alive.

 

[Aashir]

Okay now that some time has passed, here are my rational thoughts.
It's still a bad deal and you can't get around that. The sweetner to take on 75% of the contract isn't enough. My main issue with this really is making Ottawa retain only 25% and that really hinders our ability to improve the other areas. Thats my concern. You have 6 million to get another goalie and get a new 4th line. If Holl is moved which is a given, and Kerfoot unlikely IMO than it gives you room. However the problem with moving Kerfoot is you than need to find a replacement for him. Complain all you want about him, but the guy is a good top 9 player who can do a bit of everything.

You could move Muzzin and I have been against that, but could you find someone for less who can as good as him? It's possible but tough. I don't think they will and I get it. As much as Rielly is the heartbeat of the defence, Muzzin is the engine, and I think they value him as they should.

I'm actually confident Murray will perform well here assuming health which is risky with him. The issue is again do we have enough room to improve the holes? I will wait to fully judge until the full picture is clear, but just looking at the deal alone, Dubas messed up and even a big fan of his can say that.

Yup my thoughts exactly

I’m not pissed about murray himself. I’m pissed at 25% retention with no clear incentive. We should’ve gotten at least a 2nd back if it was 25%

I think 50% gives us much more flexibility. People say 1.5 mil isn’t much but that 1.5 mill could be a solid depth piece that we can’t afford or it could be split to give two depth options 750k more. Like you said previous, as things stand we are looking to run Clifford and Simmonds night in night out. I’m not sure about everyone else, but I don’t want a fourth line that can only take penalties and get hemmed in.

As for the moves, I think holl must be moved, it’s not even that he’s bad, he’s a good 4/5 who makes bad plays in crucial times, but he’s been surpassed in the depth chart by both Liljegren and Sandin imo. We gotta see what these guys are capable of

Bang on about kerfoot, like holl he plays his role well but also makes boneheaded plays sometimes. I don’t think he replicated this 50 point production next year tho so I’m uncertain about him. On one hand if we move him then it gives capspace, but unless Robertson or abruzesse can step into a top 9 role, we might end up reallocating that money right back to the same position. And if we don’t move him, we don’t get the hope of cap relief

All in all I think holl gets moved and we reallocate the 2 million between a couple depth options, which I’m not against

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[mikeyz]

Arguing that the team Dubas inherited was a team that just had it's best season, when they have continued to surpass that best season since he took over makes you look super dumb.

Look at the team he inherited. A monkey could have done what he did.

 

[AllDay28]

Murray will be the 20th highest AAV goalie in the NHL after Jack and Darcy sign. How will the Leafs recover? they are simply overpaying him too much.. ugh.. anyways I cant wait til the Murray appreciation threads begin by December.

 

[Leaf Fans]

JFJ traded away a future all-star goaltender

Dubas traded away "future considerations"

The sky is not falling.

I thought we should have had more retention, but you are right, the sky is not falling. The usual ridiculous takes on here by the same group of people. Dubas should have done a better job in my opinion but It is not that bad.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

14 games of 4or more goals in 49 games (28.6%)

Game with 4 or more goals really don't matter. A better picture is to look at Save Percentage.

Murray completed 40% of his starts with a SV% below .905

Campbell completed 38% of his starts with a SV% below .905

 

[Kurtz]

It only makes sense if this is part one of a two trade deal with the Sens.
If a second deal comes that is tipped to the Leafs benefit, like Kerfoot for Connor Brown with 50% retention, which would save Ottawa $1,250,000 in real money and Toronto $1,500,000 against the cap, then it may make sense.

I had the exact same thought earlier. But I think we're dreaming.

 

[PanniniClaus]

your assuming Leafs brass believe Campbell is the superior goalie, if they believe Murray has just a big a chance to be the better goalie then saving 200k 1-2 years on term and gaining 2 picks is the better way to go.

not defending the trade they should have gotten more imo.

It's true - they may actually think Murray is the better goalie and that is why they get paid the big bucks. If Dubas watched all 20 of Murray's games and can say it's still there...he's a better man than me.

 

[TGB]

I don't know this guy. Should I care?

 

[PromisedLand]

Arguing that the team Dubas inherited was a team that just had it's best season, when they have continued to surpass that best season since he took over makes you look super dumb.

the earlier team with rookies had 2 D-men with 50 point seasons.

this team put 10 additional points than the team with rookies on it. Most of it was due to natural progress of players that were drafted by previous regime (Matthews, Marner, Nylander).

blanket statements without context are uselss like the post you made