Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[rojac]

Pierre Dorion himself said that Murray has been in the gym everyday but yet to get on the ice this summer. Was planning on it next week.

So how can he possibly be working on his lateral movement? Clearly not with his equipment on then

I suspect there are gym workouts that he can do that will help with his lateral movement on the ice.

 

[rocketman588]

What are you talking about? The Maple Leafs didn’t give Ottawa anything, they got paid to take the player.

He’s going to be the Leafs starting goalie. He’s not going to be a cap dump for us.

That would be like the home sellers giving YOU )100k to take the house off their hands because they can’t afford to pay the property tax on it, and you’re screaming that they should give YOU $200k instead or it’s a HORRIBLE deal.

Makes no sense

They paid you 200k but didn't tell you there was foundation issues, black mould and water damage that will cost 500k to fix.

Oh and you already sold your old house so you need to live in this one

 

[BertCorbeau]

When does his NTC kick in?

Next July 1st.

Teams can't re-sign players until 1 year before their expiry date.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I'm with you.

I would like to see Matt Murray play for the Leafs before I pass judgment.

There were times in Ed Belfour's career that he looked like he couldn't stop a 2-4 sliding across the ice though the five-hole. However, put him in the right frame of mind behind a half-decent defence and he did pretty well for us. He's probably not an outlier.

I would put more stock on Murray's past successes than his failures. Not every goalie can do what he's done and at his age.

What have any of the others accomplished that Murray hasn't done -- and at his age?

I'm still not a big fan of the trade, but the Leafs can always use Cup winners and the team isn't done. It is a different feeling when players know their goalie has run the gammit twice. I hope he has a little swagger.

As far as I am concerned, the NHL is as team oriented as any. It truly takes the right balance up and down the lineup to win. Avs had subpar goaltending and lifted the Cup. Leafs had success against Vasi but he still snuck through.

At the very least, no one can say Murray is unproven, I just pray he is mentally tough. There were times I felt Campbell just wouldn't be "that guy". You need a tough minded, unbending goalie. Leafs need a fortress on thr backend to let Murray relax and just be an "ABC goalie".

I like Campbell. He is another in a long line that didn't get it done, not his fault per se, but it's a fact. A shame really.

 

[hotpaws]

So, the nixed Buffalo deal was supposedly Murray at 25% retained to Buffalo and the two teams swapping their firsts. So, basically the sweetener for Buffalo was moving up 9 spots in the 1st round. How does the sweetener that Toronto got (3rd and 7th) compare, based on this year’s draft?

it would cost a hell of a lot more than a 3rd and 7th to move to swap picks at those spots , at least a 2nd and a 3rd min

 

[supermann_98]

why is Sakic missing?

or for that matter the CBJ GM? (foligno trade)

Right? Why stop there ... wasn't Don Waddell the guy who fleeced Dubas into giving up a 1st for the Marleau contract because he couldn't help himself overspending on Tavares, Nylander, Marner and Matthews? Yeah, that was Lou's signing, but a 1st rounder for ONE year of a bad contract? Eat that contract and don't sign Tavares, but no, his ego HAD to sign Tavares when a #1C already happened to fall in our laps via lottery luck.

 

[ToneDog]

Covid really messed up the cap situation and this teams window.

But with that said, the Montreal series is the real f*** up. And that one is all on the players. Should have had a big run that year and they choked it. Choked a 3-1 series lead to an inferior tea, who then took that momentum from us and went to the finals.

That was the year and the team choked

Handing the reigns to a fraud messed this team's window. Seriously what was he thinking and who is approving the moves this clown is making ?? Has Shanny lost his mind as well??

 

[PromisedLand]

Chances are, Leafs might play Lightning again in the first round next year - does Dubas really expect Murray to be better than Campbell against Vasi?

At least the Soo fraternity is back together again for movie night Fridays!

the last time murray played in the playoffs he got swept.

 

[rocketman588]

What do you mean by more responsible or a fall back plan for when the pandemic hit? Can you give me an example of what fall back plan for a one in a hundred year pandemic a team projected without knowing?

The fall back was that every other team didn't pay half their cap to 4 forwards so had flexibility. Even if the cap is at 85 were still not that much better off

 

[Wiseguys]

Geez looks like it's going to be 55 years and counting since I enjoyed a Leaf cup win back in 1967. I'll be lucky to see another Leaf cup win, and if it does happen ill probably be in diapers. That will be sh***y for me, as I wouldn't be able to enjoy the cup win!! What a Sh*t trade Dubas, you definitely got it up the a** !!

 

[rocketman588]

it would cost a hell of a lot more than a 3rd and 7th to move to swap picks at those spots , at least a 2nd and a 3rd min

Not to mention they used it to get debrincat so it had even more value

 

[PromisedLand]

Right? Why stop there ... wasn't Don Waddell the guy who fleeced Dubas into giving up a 1st for the Marleau contract because he couldn't help himself overspending on Tavares, Nylander, Marner and Matthews? Yeah, that was Lou's signing, but a 1st rounder for ONE year of a bad contract? Eat that contract and don't sign Tavares, but no, his ego HAD to sign Tavares when a #1C already happened to fall in our laps via lottery luck.

The worst part of it all was even after dumping marleau leafs choked against CBJ.

He could have kept that 1st, let Marleau playout that year, and then traded Kapanen for a 1st. You know retool a bit for cheap ELCs

but of course not.... LOL

 

[kb]

Very few GMs got themselves into as bad of a situation as Kyle did due to the pandemic. Some teams were more responsible or had fall back plans.

This is pure BS. Nice try. Cap friendly still has teams over the cap and the Leafs are nowhere near it.

You do realize that every point made by lying is negated by the lie.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

The fall back was that every other team didn't pay half their cap to 4 forwards so had flexibility. Even if the cap is at 85 were still not that much better off

If there is no pandemic the cap is likely 90 million right now. The point of the 4 contracts (but mostly the 3 with Nylander/AM/MM) was to buy years, don't bridge anyone, because every year after the first would become significantly more tenable as the cap goes up, and that was a sound bet, if not for a 1 in 100 year global pandemic!

 

[robertmac43]

I think this is one of my issues with this deal. I'm not against Murray as a Leaf or this trade in general, however, Dubas had to have known the public backlash he and in turn Murray was going to get from the Leaf faithful. He's setting the poor guy up at the bottom of the hill. That's a steep hill to climb in Leafland.

A team in win-now mode, with plenty of brutal playoffs of past.... Might be the toughest place to go for a rehabilitation project.

If Murray plays well though, he will go down as a legend!

 

[Field of Dreams]

Although we shouldnt have been is this position in the first place, going with Murray seems like the best bet amongst some tough options.

 

[CelticDruid]

If Murray sucks we may not have to wait for our annual first round loss for Dufus to be fired.

Is it possible the Galaxy brain was outmaneuvered by Pierre f'n Dorion ??

Dorian ' And to sweaten the deal I will throw in a seventh rd pick, you seem to like those "

 

[Prominence]

I like the picks, but i am pessimistic. Even before murray was traded to ottawa, i knew he couldn’t improve his numbers as ottawa’s d isn’t good. I doubt the risk/reward for this trade is worth it as murray is signed for more one year and dubas does not have a good track record with goalies (besides bringing in campbell).

Where it could work well is that murray fits well with the system and plays better behind a better defense like reimer did when he was traded to san jose or when andersen played for the canes. Ottawa’s 5v5 defense allowed more dangerous opportunities whereas toronto’s is the opposite at least in the regular season and therefore murray’s numbers could improve as he’ not facing these opportunities.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

 

[rocketman588]

If there is no pandemic the cap is likely 90 million right now. The point of the 4 contracts (but mostly the 3 with Nylander/AM/MM) was to buy years, don't bridge anyone, because every year after the first would become significantly more tenable as the cap goes up, and that was a sound bet, if not for a 1 in 100 year global pandemic!

He literally bridged them. They're all walking to free agency on a non max term the only difference was that he did it while paying them all insane amounts of money

He bet on the cap going way up and got burned then refused to fix his mistake

He didn't have to keep all 4 of them after the pandemic hit

 

[sxvnert]

Summer 2023: "If not for the injuries.."

 

[phil162888]

Dubas and Keefe are showing a ton of faith in Murray...literally their jobs in Toronto... it may work out because in life there are no guarantees (the leafs are a good team in front of him) but this deal looks awful on paper....Ottawa should be thanking the Sabres for making an offer for Murray because he should've and would've been bought out..... would anyone a week ago have been surprised if Murray was bought out by Sens and then signed for $1 million-1.5 million as some teams back up. I think that was the expected outcome tbh..... Instead the Leafs trade for him and are going to use $4.6 million in cap space...ouch

 

[ER89]

What are you talking about? The Maple Leafs didn’t give Ottawa anything, they got paid to take the player.

He’s going to be the Leafs starting goalie. He’s not going to be a cap dump for us.

That would be like the home sellers giving YOU )100k to take the house off their hands because they can’t afford to pay the property tax on it, and you’re screaming that they should give YOU $200k instead or it’s a HORRIBLE deal.

Makes no sense

Good lord you obviously have not taken a course on cost/managerial accounting. Could we have realistically taken this deal without giving up mrazek? That cost needs to be factored. The cost of cap space needs to be factored and the cost of not upgrading other spots need to be factored. Most of all we got less than what buffalo was going to get for 25 pct. So no, you're analogy makes no sense.

 

[NMacrules]

Next July 1st.

Teams can't re-sign players until 1 year before their expiry date.

So let me get this straight. His NTC kicks in July 1st and he can't be extended until then? One day? 12:01?
That doesn't seem right. Because if what you are saying is true, then we don't have control over Matthews because of that stupid ass contract?

 

[CelticDruid]

A team in win-now mode, with plenty of brutal playoffs of past.... Might be the toughest place to go for a rehabilitation project.

If Murray plays well though, he will go down as a legend!

We could build Murray's statue right outside of Dubas door just so that Dubas can't get out.