Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[CelticDruid]

same sufficient "medical checks" that were done on Foligno by the dubas medical reps?

Larry, Curly and Moe

Oink oink!

 

[NMacrules]

I mean, trading a 1st and getting a 2nd isn’t trading a 1st full value.

That’s like saying, you paid $100 for your Big Mac, ignoring the $90 in change.

The 25 to 38 value in a weak 2022 draft is more or less the same value as a 3rd in a strong 2023 draft.

The frustrating part is taking on more cap, not the net difference in the 2 deals.

Thats not the first I was talking about.

 

[Ciao]

I'm as emotional as anyone when I see some dirty hits, lazy play, crooked reffing etc. I might suggest we all take a breath and let the off season process take shape.

If I am honest, I felt last year that the loss of Hyman and the largely unspectacular additions that the Leafs might not make the playoffs. Who else feared the same?

Leafs only finished with record points and if not for interesting reffing, they beat the Cup champs.

If Murray is healthy and resilient he will thrive in front of a far better defense. TEAM defense (meaning forwards too) is more than half of the battle in preventing goals.

He just has to remain healthy, focused and steady. Make the odd game changing save. Ottawas D is not on par.

I'm with you.

I would like to see Matt Murray play for the Leafs before I pass judgment.

There were times in Ed Belfour's career that he looked like he couldn't stop a 2-4 sliding across the ice though the five-hole. However, put him in the right frame of mind behind a half-decent defence and he did pretty well for us. He's probably not an outlier.

I would put more stock on Murray's past successes than his failures. Not every goalie can do what he's done and at his age.

What have any of the others accomplished that Murray hasn't done -- and at his age?

 

[Tak7]

You said exactly what I'm thinking. I've also historically been a Dubas apologist/supporter. Easily won the Mrazek trade and looks like a bigger loss here. I'd have preferred matching 5x5 on Campbell (and I don't like that one either) than taking this goalie.

Unless the future considerations is something after free agency and they wanted a bonus to be paid first .... This doesn't make sense to me.

"Future considerations" means, literally, "for nothing".

The Sens gave up Murray, and picks, for nothing in return.

 

[ToneDog]

Well first ideally, another goalie completely. That would be option 1

Option 2, if you absolutely need Murray, not sure how you don’t get them to retain 50%. Another 1.5M saved on the cap for 2 years is worth more than a 3rd+7th so screw the draft picks. Toronto should have forgone the draft picks and ask ottawa for more retention (whether that’s a full 25% more or even just 10-15% more, it would still be better than receiving late picks in future years)

With Samsonov not being qualified, it should have lowered the price for Murray. This might blow up bad in Dubious' face.

Murray's cap is 4.7m. WTF is the stick boy thinking ??

 

[NewEraGM]

There is a silver lining here and that is Leafs draft pick future took a turn in the right direction.

The Leafs had traded Nick Ritchie away with their 3rd in 2023, and they gave away their 7th next year to acquire Jared McCann before losing him in expansion,

This Murray trade essentially recovers those 2 previously lost draft picks allowing Leafs to break-even on those transactions as if they never occurred, with a 3rd and 7th returning to the fold as part of the salary retention on this deal. .

Lol wtv man . Late round picks don’t matter. Leafs have a 2 year window

 

[bodechek]

So the Leafs got rid of often injuried backup Mrazek, then acquire often starter Matt Murray. The contracts for the core four is bitting Dubas in the ass. I admit, I wanted the Leafs to acquire Murray before they let Andersen go. Dubas unwilling to change his team chemistry can only mean another first round disappointment, that is if they make it to the playoffs

 

[NMacrules]

The future considerations are coming from Toronto, So if the Leafs were giving up a roster player, the deal would be worse not better unless the Leafs were sending the Sens a player that they felt they couldn’t move without a sweetener and I don‘t think the Leafs have any contracts like that (excluding Murray, of course).

Also, I was under the impression that signing bonuses were still paid on July 1, even when the start of free Agency was delayed past that.

Future considerations. Hahaha, has anyone ever seen future considerations transpire.

 

[Stephen]

Dubas couldnt get 50% so he settled at 25% (look at Dorion playing hard ball lol).

If Murray experiment failed at 50%, it wouldn't even matter as he will get roasted. Dubas pulled the trigger anyway.

This has to work.

Dubas probably felt the pressure of being out maneuvered all weekend for various goalies and just hit the check out button on this one like he did on the Mrazek deal last summer. Just anything to get the depth chart populated.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Does it have to be 25% or 50% retention, or can it be in between?

 

[supermann_98]

I disagree with this part. This is Dubas' last shot. The calls for his head will be overwhelming if the Leafs fail next season and MLSE will have no reason not to listen to them. Shanahan could very well go too in this scenario.

There is no way that MLSE executives are happy with being embarrassed, and it will be embarrassing if the Leafs fall flat again.

Forget being embarrassed, someone show them a projection chart of the profits they would've reaped if the Leafs went to the 2nd or 3rd round or imagine if you will a cup final.

Now compare those estimates to the profits they ACTUALLY saw, and let's see these how Shanny defends his GM to the board

Not to mention the buy-out money being paid out all over the roster on LTIR and other cute ways Dubas manipulates the cap.

One more 1st round elimination and it's over for them, no matter how many useless regular season points or even a president trophy. The board will have to fire Shanny and go scorched earth and as respectable as Shanny and Dubas are personally, there are many hockey people who would gladly take those jobs and actually put a (playoff) winning team on the ice

 

[CelticDruid]

Alright cool, so our entire season depends on if we have the goalie whisperer or not.

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Goilie Whisperer Lol

 

[keonsbitterness]

If true I can get behind that and I fully endorse this murray trade.

But IF and ONLY IF condition

He's not purposely tanking. No chance.

 

[Dave92]

At least Murray has shown he can step up in big moments. Campbell played like such a loser in every clinching game, always allowed the first goal, always was the one to crack when it was tied, always got scored on the first chance against in overtime. Good riddance.

 

[The Podium]

Thats not the first I was talking about.

You said firsts, plural, meaning you were talking about more than just the Marleau 1st.

 

[Ciao]

Seriously did this guy not learn a anything from the Mrazek deal?? Murray is carrying a 4.7m cap hit.

Somebody tell me the plan is to put him on LTIR and we find a true #1.

Let's have a look first -- and then break his legs if we need to.

 

[Strangle]

People still don't get it.

This trade isn't about murray being better than mraz. This trade f***ing sucks because we had all the leverage and we got absolutely hosed on the return.

You can't f***ing lose this badly on a trade when you're the only one who wants matt murray.

It's like arguing that buying a house that ONLY you wanted and the sellers HAD TO sell because of money problems for 500K over asking is a good deal because the house may be worth more next year or that the house is better than what you currently had.

See how stupid that is? If not ...... I feel for yall.

What are you talking about? The Maple Leafs didn’t give Ottawa anything, they got paid to take the player.

He’s going to be the Leafs starting goalie. He’s not going to be a cap dump for us.

That would be like the home sellers giving YOU )100k to take the house off their hands because they can’t afford to pay the property tax on it, and you’re screaming that they should give YOU $200k instead or it’s a HORRIBLE deal.

Makes no sense

 

[Razz]

I'm most certainly in the minority here but I like this trade. We got draft picks and a potential high reward goalie that doesn't have a contract that extends past Austin Matthews. We can use those picks later on if need be to pick up assets at the deadline.

We played half of last season with well under 900 goaltending and still had home ice. Not worried at all.

 

[Lemontree]

Been a fan my whole life. Still not going to be a donkey to a brand new face who's never played a game for us...just because we thought our GM didn't make a good enough deal (I admit I thought Dubas would have gotten more). Being a fan is taking all the abuse, and still coming back with unwarranted, and unrelenting optimism. Murray isn't going to stand a chance at getting back on track with the way this fanbase is reacting. Feel bad for the guy honestly

Being a fan is cheering for your team and riding the highs and lows of the emotional rollercoaster and still being invested even when the team performance doesn’t deserve it. Being a sheep and being unrelenting optimism no matter what the team does shows that those fans aren’t knowledgeable about the league. Must be a good move if my team did it.……learn how to formulate your own opinions.

 

[keonsbitterness]

"Future considerations" means, literally, "for nothing".

The Sens gave up Murray, and picks, for nothing in return.

Some low-level prospect, probably.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

It's not worse. But it's not living up to its potential.

Got himself into cap hell immediately and every move he has made since has been with one hand tied behind his back.

There was a global pandemic that decimated the salary cap. They signed Tavares to a contract that was expensive but largely fine, until COVID came in and blew up the cap projections at the legitimate worst time. All teams had to deal with the flat cap, but one team signed three 10M+ long-term deals the year before it, expecting increases. Just brutal timing honestly.

From there you do what you can do. The options were trading Marner or Nylander. Nylander bang for buck is the best of the four. Marner has been 1st team allstar (RW) two years in a row, hard to replace that for his money even if he is overpaid relative to peers. Can't trade Tavares (NMC). He rebuilt the D - Rielly, Muzzin, Gio, Brodie, Liljegren, Sandin, Holl? 1-7? Got to be the best they've had in what - 20 years? Not kidding.

All this and they set a franchise record for points and wins. He has his misses, I think today is one of them with Murray - but honestly, they've done what I think is best, messing with the margins since any deal of MM/WN makes them worse.

 

[Legion34]

Future considerations. Hahaha, has anyone ever seen future considerations transpire.

Yes wasnt Kris Draper one?

 

[kb]

No you can look yourself on hockey reference. Game by game. He has a .920 by game 18 of 20. Then let in 5 and then let in 8.

Doesn't fit his narrative.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Seriously did this guy not learn a anything from the Mrazek deal?? Murray is carrying a 4.7m cap hit.

Somebody tell me the plan is to put him on LTIR and we find a true #1.

In fairness there isn't a true #1 available really .. I guess Kuemper but he'll cost a fortune which poses a huge contract risk.

It's like Dubas acquired a gently used band aid and is hoping is sticks for the season.

 

[Al14]

Shanahan and Dubas need to go! Rogers and Bell are stupid to let these clowns continue to ruin our Leafs.

Murray is done IMHO. If he wasn't done, he'd still be in Pittsburgh!

Well, I'll give Murray the benefit of the doubt for now, however, I see failure written all over this acquisition.