Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[Gary Nylund]

You can still read and reply to people's thoughts. Just ignore the poster that you disagree with. They can still read and reply to you, but you won't see it.

Yes this is true and is also very annoying. I had one guy on ignore for several months, then I happened to accidentally browse not logged in one day and saw the guy was quoting me and arguing. I told him I've been ignoring you for months dude, get a life already.

Anyhow, I took the dude off ignore and started engaging with him again and because he just never stops and seems to have endless energy to post, it got to the point where the mods put us on mutual ignore which was my goal all along - now I can ignore him in peace and he can't argue with me either.

The funniest part is that he then wrote to the mods, asking that he be taken off mutual ignore. Guy's apparently just desperate for conflict.

 

[DueDiligence]

I'd say most of the league is crossing their fingers that their goalie stays healthy as well.

Most teams don't have an injury prone goalie. The Leafs do.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

There is certainly a faction of people on this board who continue to bring up previous GMs and how they've crippled Dubas in the present.

Or COVID. There is an excuse/lengthy explanation for every mistake Dubas makes and wouldn’t you know it, it always boils down to it not being his fault!

 

[deprw]

Sparks over McBackup was a logical asset management move that anyone would make in a video game but it missed the actual developmental/goalie department insight that could say "yeah this guy can play the way he does at the AHL level but it will get exposed at the NHL level."

I think the problem drooling over McBackup is that he has exactly the same problem, but didn't get exposed in Tampa Bay. He would have been problem here if Andersen would have gone down and he had lingering issues. That doesn't though debunk that issue about Sparks being not good enough either.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Or COVID. There is an excuse/lengthy explanation for every mistake Dubas makes and wouldn’t you know it, it always boils down to it not being his fault!

Don't worry, anyone explaining anything Dubas has ever done gets attacked immediately, or haven't you noticed?

 

[Gabriel426]

Yes this is true and is also very annoying. I had one guy on ignore for several months, then I happened to accidentally browse not logged in one day and saw the guy was quoting me and arguing. I told him I've been ignoring you for months dude, get a life already.

Anyhow, I took the dude off ignore and started engaging with him again and because he just never stops and seems to have endless energy to post, it got to the point where the mods put us on mutual ignore which was my goal all along - now I can ignore him in peace and he can't argue with me either.

The funniest part is that he then wrote to the mods, asking that he be taken off mutual ignore. Guy's apparently just desperate for conflict.

I think I have that guy on mutual ignore too

 

[Mess]

I can’t say I’m 100% in agreement with the heavy reliance on Soo players.

How many is too many Soo players?

We already discussed ex Soo Greyhound goalies Jack Campbell and Matt Murray, who Dubas acquired in trade.

Who did Dubas draft in his 1st round in his first draft in 2018 .. Soo Greyhound Rasmus Sandin, and a few rounds later Mac Hollowell?

Who did Dubas acquire to shore up the Leafs defense in first big trade? Yup you guessed it ex Soo Greyhound Dman Jake Muzzin

When Leafs needed added toughness who did Dubas turn to .. ex -Soo Greyhound Wayne Simmonds

Who did Dubas acquire just before the expansion draft ex Soo Greyhound Jared McCann, but lost him in expansion because of need to protect Justin Holl,

Who did Dubas sign last summer as UFA's .. Yup right again ex Soo Greyhounds Michael Bunting, Nick Ritchie.

Now toss in Ex Soo Coach Sheldon Keefe, ex Soo goaltending coach Jon Elkin and anybody else in the organization that followed him to the NHL.

Heck Dubas even went out of his way to help facilitate a trade for ex Soo goalie Robin Lehner at the Trade deadline in 2020.



Instead of using Leafs free cap space to help the Leafs in the playoffs, he chose to help ex Soo Greyhound goalie change teams. Leafs lost to Columbus in play-in round in 5 games. Probably should have went out and acquired Robin Lehner for the Leafs instead.

Are you in agreement now?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Most teams don't have an injury prone goalie. The Leafs do.

You'd be surprised how many teams have a goalie that could be described as "injury prone". It's true that Murray carries higher injury risk than your average goalie, but he's also at an age where players can come back from that, and it's the tradeoff for somebody more established as a starter with lesser long term contract risk and the upside of a two-time cup winner. It's not like we're running an old guy with a bunch of wear and tear as backup either. There's risk involved, but all options involved risk of some kind, so it's just time to wait and see.

 

[Stephen]

How many is too many Soo players?

We already discussed ex Soo Greyhound goalies Jack Campbell and Matt Murray, who Dubas acquired in trade.

Who did Dubas draft in his 1st round in his first draft in 2018 .. Soo Greyhound Rasmus Sandin, and a few rounds later Mac Hollowell?

Who did Dubas acquire to shore up the Leafs defense in first big trade? Yup you guessed it ex Soo Greyhound Dman Jake Muzzin

When Leafs needed added toughness who did Dubas turn to .. ex -Soo Greyhound Wayne Simmonds

Who did Dubas acquire just before the expansion draft ex Soo Greyhound Jared McCann, but lost him in expansion because of need to protect Justin Holl,

Who did Dubas sign last summer as UFA's .. Yup right again ex Soo Greyhounds Michael Bunting, Nick Ritchie.

Now toss in Ex Soo Coach Sheldon Keefe, ex Soo goaltending coach Jon Elkin and anybody else in the organization that followed him to the NHL.

Heck Dubas even went out of his way to help facilitate a trade for ex Soo goalie Robin Lehner at the Trade deadline in 2020.



Instead of using Leafs free cap space to help the Leafs in the playoffs, he chose to help ex Soo Greyhound goalie change teams. Leafs lost to Columbus in play-in round in 5 games. Probaably should have went out and acquired Robin Lehner for the Leafs instead.

Are you in agreement now?

Yeah I don’t embrace the Soo connection on the face of it. It’s just not a top 5 pet peeve…

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Don't worry, anyone explaining anything Dubas has ever done gets attacked immediately, or haven't you noticed?

I’ve noticed and you’re right. Sometimes it’s justified other times it’s not.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

When did Dubas aquire a two time Stanley Cup winner for the Soo? That would be an impossibly. LoL we haven't seen this before. Incidentally, both Campbell and Murray did play for Dubas in the Soo. At least you got that right.
Ottawa says it turned out poorly. Murray got injured and they started a rebuild. Than the Leafs gave up nothing to get Murray.


You can still read and reply to people's thoughts. Just ignore the poster that you disagree with. They can still read and reply to you, but you won't see it.

Everyone responds to him. The thread gets hijacked whenever he's involved.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Don't worry, anyone explaining anything Dubas has ever done gets attacked immediately, or haven't you noticed?

You disclaim you're not a Dubas fanboy in every post, but by golly, you're a clone of Deke's. Is this a Zeke's alt in a weird turn of events?

 

[Gary Nylund]

You disclaim you're not a Dubas fanboy in every post, but by golly, you're a clone of Deke's. Is this a Zeke's alt in a weird turn of events?

I've criticized a number of things Dubas has done, I've never seen Deke criticize anything he's ever done and I've had so many arguments with Zeke that we were put on mutual ignore.

Yours might be the dumbest post I've ever read here. I thought this thread couldn't get any more ridiculous but you somehow managed to do it, nicely done.

 

[ToneDog]

You disclaim you're not a Dubas fanboy in every post, but by golly, you're a clone of Deke's. Is this a Zeke's alt in a weird turn of events?

After all the promotions handed out by MLSEL for being great in the handshake line, it seems Dubas' propaganda department was given a larger budget and it's staff grew. LOL

Wonder how many will be around if they go down in round #1 a 7th consecutive year.

 

[Holymakinaw]

I like Murry as a person, so I will be cheering him on wholeheartedly that he finds his game and can avoid more serious injuries.

My anger is with the trade and return and that Leafs are forced to take this much risk and all that is on the GM.

My silver lining if this fails and ends in another disappointing season, then hopefully were in for a GM upgrade that has been long overdue.

This is fair. Like the player, but that doesn't mean you have to like him for us.

I've defended Dubas PLENTY the last bunch of years. No more, if things go south this year. And even winning one round is not close to being enough now.

 

[Leaf Fans]

How many is too many Soo players?

We already discussed ex Soo Greyhound goalies Jack Campbell and Matt Murray, who Dubas acquired in trade.

Who did Dubas draft in his 1st round in his first draft in 2018 .. Soo Greyhound Rasmus Sandin, and a few rounds later Mac Hollowell?

Who did Dubas acquire to shore up the Leafs defense in first big trade? Yup you guessed it ex Soo Greyhound Dman Jake Muzzin

When Leafs needed added toughness who did Dubas turn to .. ex -Soo Greyhound Wayne Simmonds

Who did Dubas acquire just before the expansion draft ex Soo Greyhound Jared McCann, but lost him in expansion because of need to protect Justin Holl,

Who did Dubas sign last summer as UFA's .. Yup right again ex Soo Greyhounds Michael Bunting, Nick Ritchie.

Now toss in Ex Soo Coach Sheldon Keefe, ex Soo goaltending coach Jon Elkin and anybody else in the organization that followed him to the NHL.

Heck Dubas even went out of his way to help facilitate a trade for ex Soo goalie Robin Lehner at the Trade deadline in 2020.



Instead of using Leafs free cap space to help the Leafs in the playoffs, he chose to help ex Soo Greyhound goalie change teams. Leafs lost to Columbus in play-in round in 5 games. Probably should have went out and acquired Robin Lehner for the Leafs instead.

Are you in agreement now?

Agreement with what? The question was how many Soo players is too many? And instead of answering it you went on a tirade listing any player and coach who at one time played in the Soo that either joined the Leafs or passeed through like our buying a 5th round pick for retaining $190,000, (on Robin Lehner ) advising that we should have kept him because technically he was a Leaf.

 

[Gallagbi]

Agreement with what? The question was how many Soo players is too many? And instead of answering it you went on a tirade listing any player and coach who at one time played in the Soo that either joined the Leafs or passeed through like our buying a 5th round pick for retaining $190,000, (on Robin Lehner ) advising that we should have kept him because technically he was a Leaf.

@Mess isnt very good with questions

 

[LeafEgo]

How many is too many Soo players?

We already discussed ex Soo Greyhound goalies Jack Campbell and Matt Murray, who Dubas acquired in trade.

Who did Dubas draft in his 1st round in his first draft in 2018 .. Soo Greyhound Rasmus Sandin, and a few rounds later Mac Hollowell?

Who did Dubas acquire to shore up the Leafs defense in first big trade? Yup you guessed it ex Soo Greyhound Dman Jake Muzzin

When Leafs needed added toughness who did Dubas turn to .. ex -Soo Greyhound Wayne Simmonds

Who did Dubas acquire just before the expansion draft ex Soo Greyhound Jared McCann, but lost him in expansion because of need to protect Justin Holl,

Who did Dubas sign last summer as UFA's .. Yup right again ex Soo Greyhounds Michael Bunting, Nick Ritchie.

Now toss in Ex Soo Coach Sheldon Keefe, ex Soo goaltending coach Jon Elkin and anybody else in the organization that followed him to the NHL.

Heck Dubas even went out of his way to help facilitate a trade for ex Soo goalie Robin Lehner at the Trade deadline in 2020.



Instead of using Leafs free cap space to help the Leafs in the playoffs, he chose to help ex Soo Greyhound goalie change teams. Leafs lost to Columbus in play-in round in 5 games. Probably should have went out and acquired Robin Lehner for the Leafs instead.

Are you in agreement now?

In theory whether a player played on the Soo or not is irrelevant. . . but that's too many.

And we should have kept the one we didn't.

 

[Gabriel426]

I've criticized a number of things Dubas has done, I've never seen Deke criticize anything he's ever done and I've had so many arguments with Zeke that we were put on mutual ignore.

Yours might be the dumbest post I've ever read here. I thought this thread couldn't get any more ridiculous but you somehow managed to do it, nicely done.

I just have to laugh when someone said you are a Dekes clone.

 

[notbias]

How many is too many Soo players?

We already discussed ex Soo Greyhound goalies Jack Campbell and Matt Murray, who Dubas acquired in trade.

Who did Dubas draft in his 1st round in his first draft in 2018 .. Soo Greyhound Rasmus Sandin, and a few rounds later Mac Hollowell?

Who did Dubas acquire to shore up the Leafs defense in first big trade? Yup you guessed it ex Soo Greyhound Dman Jake Muzzin

When Leafs needed added toughness who did Dubas turn to .. ex -Soo Greyhound Wayne Simmonds

Who did Dubas acquire just before the expansion draft ex Soo Greyhound Jared McCann, but lost him in expansion because of need to protect Justin Holl,

Who did Dubas sign last summer as UFA's .. Yup right again ex Soo Greyhounds Michael Bunting, Nick Ritchie.

Now toss in Ex Soo Coach Sheldon Keefe, ex Soo goaltending coach Jon Elkin and anybody else in the organization that followed him to the NHL.

Heck Dubas even went out of his way to help facilitate a trade for ex Soo goalie Robin Lehner at the Trade deadline in 2020.



Instead of using Leafs free cap space to help the Leafs in the playoffs, he chose to help ex Soo Greyhound goalie change teams. Leafs lost to Columbus in play-in round in 5 games. Probably should have went out and acquired Robin Lehner for the Leafs instead.

Are you in agreement now?

Can you finally answer why we exposed McCann who is a Soo player if he needs all these Soo players? I will assume you continue to ignore this.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Can you finally answer why we exposed McCann who is a Soo player if he needs all these Soo players? I will assume you continue to ignore this.

He made a poor attempt to "...because of need to protect Justin Holl,.."but That doesn't really tell us why him and not someone else not from the Soo.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I just have to laugh when someone said you are a Dekes clone.

Haha indeed. I'm accused of being a clone/alt of two guys who I've argued with so much, that they're the only two posters that I'm on mutual ignore with. I guess it's a sign of the times, you can criticize a number of things Dubas has done but as soon as you defend him for something, some people just lose their minds.

This place has gone so far downhill, I can only hope things get better once the games start but who knows.

 

[Mess]

Can you finally answer why we exposed McCann who is a Soo player if he needs all these Soo players? I will assume you continue to ignore this.

I already did .. ".because of need to protect Justin Holl in the expansion draft." He should have protected McCann as he went on score 27 goals and was Seattle's leading scorer.

Seattle could have chosen Kerfoot or Engvall also but they made a good choice with McCann otherwise Leafs would have had him on last years roster.

Just because Dubas acquires ex Soo Greyhound, doesn't mean they all stay and work out..

Dubas let Jack Campbell walk and he signed and then traded Nick Ritchie when those former Soo Greyhounds were no longer needed or wanted.

 

[ACC1224]

I already did .. ".because of need to protect Justin Holl in the expansion draft." He should have protected McCann as he went on score 27 goals and was Seattle's leading scorer.

Just because Dubas acquires ex Soo Greyhound, doesn't mean they all stay and work out..

Dubas let Jack Campbell walk and he signed and then traded Nick Ritchie when those former Soo Greyhounds were no longer needed or wanted.

Imagine being a fan and discussing the team daily and not understanding why McCann was exposed?

 

[justashadowof]

It has been discussed before but understand that it's got to be over 95% of NHL players and personnel who have no connection whatsoever to the Soo. It's a crazy over-representation. If you've got pro and amateur scouting you've hired and believe in, that should never happen because the best player (or front office hire) available at any time has at least a 95% chance of not having a connection to the Soo Greyhound organization.