Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[Bomber0104]

Consistent ??? We dont having the same definition ... he was amaizing first 2 month, okay next 2 and trash the rest of season...

The biggest issue with Campbell is not his skills but hes mentally weak

The way leafs player last season, a good goalie should be a least in top 10 in sv % and GAA

How mentally-strong were the Leafs forwards getting stuffed by Montreal in 3 straight elimination games?

 

[Funk21]

How mentally-strong were the Leafs forwards getting stuffed by Montreal in 3 straight elimination games?

Well if he made a save when it mattered in any of the two past playoffs we likely would have resigned him!

 

[Bomber0104]

Well if he made a save when it mattered in any of the two past playoffs we likely would have resigned him!

The Leafs wouldn't have been able to afford him regardless.

That's what happens when 4 forwards take up half the cap.

The onus is more on them to win the game then it is the goalie who makes peanuts in comparison.

Game 7 against the Habs, the Leafs didn't score a goal until there was 1:36 left in the game and it was 3-0

Definitely Campbell's fault though!

 

[thusk]

How mentally-strong were the Leafs forwards getting stuffed by Montreal in 3 straight elimination games?

Game 5 after 10 minute campbell already allowed 2 goal and both was pretty weak but toronto still came back and game goes in OT...

Game 6 ok fine but when his team get the momemtum, unable to stop a beach ball during OT

Game 7 toronto played a perfect defensive game and allowed an other garbage goal

Nut im agree i didnt liked marner playoff that season too... this season matthews and marner was pretty good and still with the same result because the same problem still there

Campbell allowed a weak on every 5 decisive game he played. When your goalie always allowing a weak goal every decisive game, your already started with a strike and its pretty hard to overcome

 

[Bomber0104]

Game 5 after 10 minute campbell already allowed 2 goal and both was pretty weak but toronto still came back and game goes in OT...

Game 6 ok fine but when his team get the momemtum, unable to stop a beach ball during OT

Game 7 toronto played a perfect defensive game and allowed an other garbage goal

Nut im agree i didnt liked marner playoff that season too... this season matthews and marner was pretty good and still with the same result because the same problem still there

Campbell allowed a weak on every 5 decisive game he played. When your goalie always allowing a weak goal every decisive game, your already started with a strike and its pretty hard to overcome

I believe I assked about the forwards, not Campbell.

How do you expect to win a hockey game in game 7 when you don't score a single goal until a little over a minute left in the game?

 

[thusk]

I believe I assked about the forwards, not Campbell.

How do you expect to win a hockey game in game 7 when you don't score a single goal until a little over a minute left in the game?

The same exact way tampa eliminated habs... didnt gave up a weak 1st goal and didnt give chance to price to keep a lead.

 

[Nineteen67]

Yeah, I can't imagine dominating OT in game 6 with waves of offensive pressure, outshooting their opponent 13-2, and still losing on basically the 1st mild chance against us gave them much confidence to go on an all-out offensive in game 7.

Lacked confidence? That’s a major red flag and should be addressed. Who specifically lacked confidence?

 

[Bomber0104]

The same exact way tampa eliminated habs... didnt gave up a weak 1st goal and didnt give chance to price to keep a lead.

So the Leafs getting a goal scored on them prevents our players from getting any of there own until a minute left in a Game 7?

Is that "mentally strong"?!

You realize you're kind of arguing against your own points?

 

[socko]

I believe I assked about the forwards, not Campbell.

How do you expect to win a hockey game in game 7 when you don't score a single goal until a little over a minute left in the game?

$11 million doesn't buy you what it used to with inflation.

 

[thusk]

So the Leafs getting a goal scored on them prevents our players from getting any of there own until a minute left in a Game 7?

Is that "mentally strong"?!

You realize you're kind of arguing against your own points?

Just dont give up weak 1st goal... much more easier and less stressful playing at 0-0 than trailing 1-0...


Much more easier and less stressful leading 1-0 than be at 0-0

easier - stressful = playing with confidence and
being better

 

[andora]

Just dont give up weak 1st goal... much more easier and less stressful playing at 0-0 than trailing 1-0...


Much more easier and less stressful leading 1-0 than be at 0-0

easier - stressful = playing with confidence and
being better

i am not taking a side either way (blame forwards or blame goalie) BUT

41 million dollars should be battling through stress a bit - maybe some goals help the goalie's confidence

 

[thusk]

i am not taking a side either way (blame forwards or blame goalie) BUT

41 million dollars should be battling through stress a bit - maybe some goals help the goalie's confidence

Goalie is the most important player on the ice, if a goalie started to be dump at the wrong time like during OT or allowing bad goal at the wrong time it over... game 6 vs mtl and tampa are pretty good exemple... leafs dominated those game...every leafs player played in a very high level except Campbell... unscreen shot from blueline goes in... weak shot he cant controland unstead of just clearing the puck with his stick... it was a basic play but i just dont know what he was trying

Just stop those 2 shot he should be basic save, toronto probably won both series unstead to have to play game 7 with all the pressure in their shoulder

 

[andora]

Goalie is the most important player on the ice, if a goalie started to be dump at the wrong time like during OT or allowing bad goal at the wrong time it over... game 6 vs mtl and tampa are pretty good exemple... leafs dominated those game...every leafs player played in a very high level except Campbell... unscreen shot from blueline goes in... weak shot he cant controland unstead of just clearing the puck with his stick... it was a basic play but i just dont know what he was trying

Just stop those 2 shot he should be basic save, toronto probably won both series unstead to have to play game 7 with all the pressure in their shoulder

i'm not debating the needing a save angle - i'm debating the pressure/confidence angle

 

[rocketman588]

Yeah, I can't imagine dominating OT in game 6 with waves of offensive pressure, outshooting their opponent 13-2, and still losing on basically the 1st mild chance against us gave them much confidence to go on an all-out offensive in gam

He also saved a bunch of chances to even keep us in the game we got battered in the first

 

[rocketman588]

Goalie is the most important player on the ice, if a goalie started to be dump at the wrong time like during OT or allowing bad goal at the wrong time it over... game 6 vs mtl and tampa are pretty good exemple... leafs dominated those game...every leafs player played in a very high level except Campbell... unscreen shot from blueline goes in... weak shot he cant controland unstead of just clearing the puck with his stick... it was a basic play but i just dont know what he was trying

Just stop those 2 shot he should be basic save, toronto probably won both series unstead to have to play game 7 with all the pressure in their shoulder

He stopped a bunch of grade A chances throughout the game and was arguably our best player until over time

 

[thusk]

He stopped a bunch of grade A chances throughout the game and was arguably our best player until over time

Wich game?

 

[rocketman588]

Wich game?

Game 6 vs the habs he kept us in it for most of the game

 

[Dekes For Days]

The Leafs wouldn't have been able to afford him regardless.

Of course we could have re-signed Campbell if we wanted.

Lacked confidence? That’s a major red flag and should be addressed.

The only thing it's a red flag for is the goalie. If you can't trust your goalie to make the big save, you need to take a more balanced approach to limit opportunities against, and it limits your ability to just go all-out on offense and abandon defensive structure like was being suggested.

He also saved a bunch of chances to even keep us in the game we got battered in the first

That's not even true. We didn't get battered in the 1st. The xGF split was 52%-48%. We had a much more dominant 3rd period than that (59%-41%), and Campbell still let in the first 2 goals. And then we battled back to tie it, completely destroyed Montreal in overtime to an extent rarely ever seen (88%-12%) and Campbell let in the 1st mild chance against.

 

[Nineteen67]

Of course we could have re-signed Campbell if we wanted.

The only thing it's a red flag for is the goalie. If you can't trust your goalie to make the big save, you need to take a more balanced approach to limit opportunities against, and it limits your ability to just go all-out on offense and abandon defensive structure like was being suggested.

That's not even true. We didn't get battered in the 1st. The xGF split was 52%-48%. We had a much more dominant 3rd period than that (59%-41%), and Campbell still let in the first 2 goals. And then we battled back to tie it, completely destroyed Montreal in overtime to an extent rarely ever seen (88%-12%) and Campbell let in the 1st mild chance against.

But which players are you saying lacked confidence?

Weak goals have been an issue in the playoffs since Tom Wilson scored in OT

 

[Dekes For Days]

But which players are you saying lacked confidence?

I'm not saying any particular players or even the team lacked confidence in themselves. I'm saying they collectively lacked confidence in their goalie to make the big save (which even if it were a good idea, wouldn't really allow them to play the all-out offensive attack style of play that the individual was suggesting).

 

[thusk]

Game 6 vs the habs he kept us in it for most of the game

Yes he made couple of good save but still allowed 2 weak goal on that game...

Perry goal was weak. Overplayed the shot, unable to control or redirect the rebound on the corner, get caught our of his net... = weak goal

Kk goal = weak goal

So yes he made great save but all his good work erase by 2 weak goal

Thats the difference between a great game, an average or okay game and a bad game...

Game #5 was a weak game
Game #6 was an average game
Game 7 was a weak game


You just cant only having weak or average game on key game during playoff and hope to win... That what a goalie like Mike Smith giving up to Edmonton and everyone was telling he was not good enought and Edmonton was in trouble with him in net but... Campbell doing praticly the same exact thing in front a much better defensive team but campbell is good...

 

[rocketman588]

Of course we could have re-signed Campbell if we wanted.

The only thing it's a red flag for is the goalie. If you can't trust your goalie to make the big save, you need to take a more balanced approach to limit opportunities against, and it limits your ability to just go all-out on offense and abandon defensive structure like was being suggested.

That's not even true. We didn't get battered in the 1st. The xGF split was 52%-48%. We had a much more dominant 3rd period than that (59%-41%), and Campbell still let in the first 2 goals. And then we battled back to tie it, completely destroyed Montreal in overtime to an extent rarely ever seen (88%-12%) and Campbell let in the 1st mild chance against.

We were outshot 15-8 in the first and he saved multiple grade A chances. Basically proving the uselessness of xgf with that stat

We had a desperation time third and unfortunately yes it wasn't a great goal in OT

We don't get to OT without jack because our team decided not to show up for a playoff game for two periods

 

[Dekes For Days]

We were outshot 15-8 in the first and he saved multiple grade A chances.

Montreal threw some extra weak shots on net, but it was pretty even overall.

Basically proving the uselessness of xgf with that stat

Actually, it more-so shows how bad it is to draw conclusions based entirely on the shot counter.

We don't get to OT without jack because our team decided not to show up for a playoff game for two periods

In regulation time, we had more xGF, and just for you, more shots. We showed up, and we didn't rely on Jack. And then Jack blew it in OT when we were completely wrecking them.

 

[Nineteen67]

I'm not saying any particular players or even the team lacked confidence in themselves. I'm saying they collectively lacked confidence in their goalie to make the big save (which even if it were a good idea, wouldn't really allow them to play the all-out offensive attack style of play that the individual was suggesting).

What’s the difference between team and collectively?

Has this collective lack of confidence been happening a long time?

 

[Dekes For Days]

What’s the difference between team and collectively?

They're the same.