Wow you're really killing it on this thread. Too bad every single prospect ranking list out there disagrees with you on this.
Proposal: Tor/Mtl Kadri for Serge & DD
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Wow you're really killing it on this thread. Too bad every single prospect ranking list out there disagrees with you on this.
Bouboumaster
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So, obviously sensible leaf fans understand why habs wouldn't do this trade. You have almost nothing else in your D-core once Weber really starts his decline. (No potential stars, I mean)
There is also truth to Toronto being better off to keep Kadri, sheltering Matthews/perception of management amongst players etc.
But stuff like this quote of Pleks being miles ahead of Kadri, or his contract being negative value!?! What are you talking about?? Certainly you could argue Pleks value equals Kadri to your organization... Otherwise you're out to lunch.
Same with the guy saying Sergachev is guaranteed Norris winner... come on man. He certainly COULD be, if the next several years of development go really well for him. But he hasn't played a real game yet. Just calm the expectations a little.
Really I'm just pleading for some sanity here. Posts like the ones I mentioned will lead my leaf fan brethren to make equally ridiculous comments back the other way. Flame war ensues, no way to discuss a trade.
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The rivalry isn't what it once was but no way, shape or form does Montreal trade one of their best prospects to Toronto, add another player and only get Kadri back in return.
Dominator13
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He plays the right side. And the answer is a flat out no. Sergachev has top 10 defensmen potential.
kingdok
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That shouldn't matter on a board where deals don't happen for real. It mostly serves to gauge value of players (and start flaming wars.)
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Tbh he looked nhl ready in the one preseason game I saw him in. Will probably get sent down because the Habs don't have space yet tho?
But anyways funny thread to pop up after the leafs played montreal and saw him
pezcore
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So, obviously sensible leaf fans understand why habs wouldn't do this trade. You have almost nothing else in your D-core once Weber really starts his decline. (No potential stars, I mean)
There is also truth to Toronto being better off to keep Kadri, sheltering Matthews/perception of management amongst players etc.
But stuff like this quote of Pleks being miles ahead of Kadri, or his contract being negative value!?! What are you talking about?? Certainly you could argue Pleks value equals Kadri to your organization... Otherwise you're out to lunch.
Same with the guy saying Sergachev is guaranteed Norris winner... come on man. He certainly COULD be, if the next several years of development go really well for him. But he hasn't played a real game yet. Just calm the expectations a little.
Really I'm just pleading for some sanity here. Posts like the ones I mentioned will lead my leaf fan brethren to make equally ridiculous comments back the other way. Flame war ensues, no way to discuss a trade.
oh the irony. You seem to be sane but considering we've been seeing ridiculous comments from Matthews will outscore Mcdavid and Selke winner and Marner will score 150 pts, it just seems weird to see that type of comment coming from your fan base. Maybe the 30 mins reports on Matthew breaking a glass board in practice has made me irate and I apologize.
I agree though, Sergachev isnt 100% NHL ready and perhaps one day he'll be a Norris candidate or winner but as of today, he is just an elite prospect with everything to prove.
Without considering value of player vs players, from the Habs p.o.v., we give up an elite prospect and a camp dump for a 2/3 C. Would Kadri be an upgrade on Plekanec, and if so is it worth giving away Sergachev or Juulsen. I dont see how any rational Habs or Leafs fans could say yes.
Hey, I hear ya. There is no irony of course, as you haven't seen me make those claims. There are many, many leaf posters who go overboard as well. I've tried to reason with some of them too, not sure how far I get.
If I could do anything about Matthews every movement being top news stories, I would. The glass broke... big deal. It wasn't even that hard a shot, it just broke. The media are a big part of the problem.
I do hope Matthews/Marner/Nylander all reach their potential, become a force to be reckoned with, but I hope Serge makes it too...
Like I said, pleading for sanity
kingdok
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especially if Toronto gets him for only a Kadri I imagineHey, I hear ya. There is no irony of course, as you haven't seen me make those claims. There are many, many leaf posters who go overboard as well. I've tried to reason with some of them too, not sure how far I get.
If I could do anything about Matthews every movement being top news stories, I would. The glass broke... big deal. It wasn't even that hard a shot, it just broke. The media are a big part of the problem.
I do hope Matthews/Marner/Nylander all reach their potential, become a force to be reckoned with, but I hope Serge makes it too...
Like I said, pleading for sanity
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Why is this thread still open? Almost every Leaf fan has stated that the value is completely off for Montreal and that does not even take Montreal's needs into account as well. Now all it will turn into is a flame war from Montreal claiming Leaf fans overrate their players as if Montreal or any other team in the league is not guilty of that.
Stu
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Obviously not, the trade makes no sense for Montreal, Sergachev is definitely the kind of prospect you hold close to your chest.
That being said Kadri is so crucial for us going in to this season to shelter our young players that it would be an errant move to trade him right now in a deal like this.
Randy Randerson
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Still doesn't look good on the team if they up and deal a guy they just signed - this is how you get every player who you negotiate with in the future demanding NTC's that handcuff the team
Won't happen anyway, just saying that the PA takes notice of this kind of thing
I doubt it was because of that, he had a pretty bad game vs the Leafs. Didn't look NHL ready at all to me.
Yikes! Your hopes for this guy are a little too high I think. He may develop into a quality defenseman, however even Shea Weber has never won a Norris and he would be a pretty exceptional guy to aspire to be, if you are a young guy trying to make the Canadiens.
While I agree that this trade proposal is awful for Montreal, the only insanity I see here is your assertion that Sergachev will win a Norris in 6-7 years. By that time he will be 24/25. Karlsson won 1 at 21 and 1 at 24. Subban at 23. Keith and Doughty were both 26. Prior to that, Pronger won in 99/00 at 25. Before that, the only guys to win before the age you say Sergachev will win one at are names like Coffey, Leetch, Robinson, Potvin, and Orr (many, many times), etc, as I am sure you get my point.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/norris.html
I am sure by now my point has been made, however it is extremely unlikely that this will be the case, as he would have to be an awfully elite defenseman to accomplish this feat. It isn't impossible, but highly unlikely and pretty unfair to already be heaping that kind of pressure on the player. He is 18, and was just drafted. Maybe give him another year in junior and then time to get some pro experience before you start throwing around wild predictions like that.
I was about to say this exact same thing. He looked pretty prone to mistakes against the Leafs.
Also Kadri is getting criminally underrated. He is a high end #2C who is good at both ends of the ice.
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I don't see any rational argument to keep this thread alive. Its a troll thread with the 2 biggest fan base of the NHL including some high end players.
I don't know what the hell OP was expecting out of this
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I don't know what the hell OP was expecting out of this
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Not counting last season, where pretty much every Hab fell apart and put up less than career average numbers, Kadri and Desharnais have put up near identical point production over the course of the last 4-5 years.
I'm not sure that Kadri and his baggage is worth a straight swap for Desharnais and his baggage...especially considering that the team with DD has the option of walking away from him at the end of this season and, if he is resigned...he'll probably come at a cost significantly less than that of Kadri.
Adding Serg or any significant assett to DD is astronomical overpayment for the likes of Kadri.
I'm not sure that Kadri and his baggage is worth a straight swap for Desharnais and his baggage...especially considering that the team with DD has the option of walking away from him at the end of this season and, if he is resigned...he'll probably come at a cost significantly less than that of Kadri.
Adding Serg or any significant assett to DD is astronomical overpayment for the likes of Kadri.
FerrisRox
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As great as it would be to see Desharnais gone, I don't think trading Sergechev for Kadri helps the Canadiens at all. Kardri is not going to play ahead of Plekanec or Galchenyuk.
go4hockey
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In my eyes this is awful for the Habs. They will not trade their best defense prospect to Toronto cause the Habs need those prospects too.
