Proposal: Tor- Mon

[Ledge And Dairy]

Nice troll bro I almost bit on that

I mean do you really think this is an effective defensive hockey player? Well it is... for the other team...

 

[SamHabsFan]

honestly I would not budge on the 1st being involved..if there is no 1st rnd pick available for chariot I would try to re-sign him to a fair contract..seems to be appreciated in the locker room, good player and last year's run showed that you need big physical defensemen in the playoff

 

[jfhabs]

He can skate and carry the puck at an AHL level maybe but certainly not the NHL. Gio can also actually play defense, Chiarot really can't.

But you are right he can occasionally hit really hard and take a lot of cross-checking penalties

I think Giordano is a better player now, he has better shot and hockey sense, but Chiarot is a good skater (I see that quite often and it's probably the best indicator for people who haven't seen him play) and defender.
At his age, it wouldn't be crazy to believe Chiarot can contribute more in a playoffs run after a rough 82 games condensed season then a 38 years old Giordano.

 

[jfhabs]

I mean do you really think this is an effective defensive hockey player? Well it is... for the other team...

We kept hearing Weber was a bad defender/contributor from the Graph crowd last season until they actually tune in to a hockey game come playoff time.... You say he's a bad skater too... Did you really see him play or you simply have very bad eyes?

 

[cup67]

Imagine choosing Chiarot when you could add Gio or Lindholm

Need cap
Space for those 2 players , Muzzin will be back in a couple of weeks.

 

[cup67]

I think Giordano is a better player now, he has better shot and hockey sense, but Chiarot is a good skater (I see that quite often and it's probably the best indicator for people who haven't seen him play) and defender.
At his age, it wouldn't be crazy to believe Chiarot can contribute more in a playoffs run after a rough 82 games condensed season then a 38 years old Giordano.

It will come down to cap space , leafs don’t have much and they are not moving a forward.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Need cap
Space for those 2 players , Muzzin will be back in a couple of weeks.

Based on? All the reports literally say "no timeline on his return." For his own sake they are way better off keeping him out for a while

 

[Suntouchable13]

he did manhandled Matthews and Marner in the playoffs last year though...

That's the problem with them. How can 2 11M franchise players get manhandled by a Chiarot? They have to grow up. Last 2 series Leafs weren't lacking a Chiarot. They were lacking killer instinct and some balls. Chiarot adds a little bit in the balls dept, sure, but he can't score goals for them when it matters the most. That was the problem.

 

[cup67]

Based on? All the reports literally say "no timeline on his return." For his own sake they are way better off keeping him out for a while

He just started skating, so that looks like he will be back before the end of season . Unless he has a set back , but leafs need to know before they add players

 

[cup67]

That's the problem with them. How can 2 11M franchise players get manhandled by a Chiarot? They have to grow up. Last 2 series Leafs weren't lacking a Chiarot. They were lacking killer instinct and some balls.

They only had one line that can score , they played that line tough and PP sucked

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Respectfully disagree. He doesn’t move the needle much at all. Only if Matthews and Marner play at the level they are now, Leafs have a great shot. Chiarot or no Chiarot doesn’t matter.

But we all know Matthews and Marner will disappear in the PO's as they have done for the last 5 years.

Simply put, when the game tightens up and the whistles go away, the Leafs are really not hard to play against.

No goalie, iffy defense and soft as butter forwards does not equal success in games that count, and if you think playoff made players such as Chiarot don't move the needle... wait a minute is that you Dubas?

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Imagine choosing Chiarot when you could add Gio or Lindholm

So you would be okay to trade your 1st for Gio? Go right ahead bud!

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

That's the problem with them. How can 2 11M franchise players get manhandled by a Chiarot? They have to grow up. Last 2 series Leafs weren't lacking a Chiarot. They were lacking killer instinct and some balls. Chiarot adds a little bit in the balls dept, sure, but he can't score goals for them when it matters the most. That was the problem.

The reason for Chiarot is to stop the other team from scoring, not to score goals when it counts??? Why do you guys even have Matthews, Marner, JT and Nylander on the team ffs?

You have those 4 forwards and you want a defender that scores when it matters?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

He just started skating, so that looks like he will be back before the end of season . Unless he has a set back , but leafs need to know before they add players

So you are making a speculation and calling it certainty? Concussions are very serious, especially back to back. Just because he is skating again does not mean he is close to healthy. Nobody is questioning whether his legs work. For his own safety they should sit him until he is fully cleared which could take a while.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

So you would be okay to trade your 1st for Gio? Go right ahead bud!

Im not a Leafs fan but Gio will likely return a 1st at 50% retention. Why would he not?

 

[Mike Dukarm]

Imagine choosing Chiarot when you could add Gio or Lindholm

Imagine that Chiarot have 3.5M$ cap... if you want Gio or Lindholm you need more cap space...

But yes i would take those two before Chiarot... if i can work the numbers

 

[Mike Dukarm]

How many first round picks do you think there are to go around??

Hint: 5 are already in posession of bad teams. Look at years past to see how many 1sts end up in different hands by the deadline.

We'll probably see another 2-3 firsts move before the deadline (at most)... is Chiarot one of the top 2-3 desired players on the market?

I agree about the number of 1st... but if Chiarot dont get a 1st, he will get the value of a 1st (prospect)

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Imagine that Chiarot have 3.5M$ cap... if you want Gio or Lindholm you need more cap space...

But yes i would take those two before Chiarot... if i can work the numbers

Muzzin is probably not playing until at least playoffs, maybe not even. Concussion timetables are very unpredictable. Just because he is skating doesn't mean his head is ok. That's ~5M cap space right there from LTIR, same thing as Anders Lee last year

 

[Mike Dukarm]

Muzzin is probably not playing until at least playoffs, maybe not even. Concussion timetables are very unpredictable. Just because he is skating doesn't mean his head is ok. That's ~5M cap space right there from LTIR, same thing as Anders Lee last year

Its more complicated then that...

 

[Prairie Habs]

We kept hearing Weber was a bad defender/contributor from the Graph crowd last season until they actually tune in to a hockey game come playoff time.... You say he's a bad skater too... Did you really see him play or you simply have very bad eyes?

We also kept hearing how Weber was washed up trash the entire time he was here, yet the moment he was on LTIR we were told he actually was amazing and carried Chiarot through the entire playoffs. Trolls gonna troll.

 

[cup67]

Muzzin is probably not playing until at least playoffs, maybe not even. Concussion timetables are very unpredictable. Just because he is skating doesn't mean his head is ok. That's ~5M cap space right there from LTIR, same thing as Anders Lee last year

You need a doctor to sign off saying he’s out the rest of season . Leafs can’t take a chance signing a player using the LTIR. They have 2 weeks to see what to do . The NHL will investigate if he stays out the rest of season .

 

[cup67]

Im not a Leafs fan but Gio will likely return a 1st at 50% retention. Why would he not?

They need to move some players for that to happen. Who ? 4mil at least

 

[David Suzuki]

This will be the trade that gets Dubas fired

He traded a first for fourth liner last year he seems bullet proof.

 

[Bouboumaster]

He can skate and carry the puck at an AHL level maybe but certainly not the NHL. Gio can also actually play defense, Chiarot really can't.

But you are right he can occasionally hit really hard and take a lot of cross-checking penalties

Well, that's a direct way to tell everyone that you don't know what you talk about



Giordano is still good, maybe even better, but Chiarot brings more important tools for the playoffs on the table. Toronto knows. And he's cheaper against the cap, by a lot, too. He's a good/not great brutish top 3/4 dman, and every team need those

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Its more complicated then that...

I know how LTIR quite well, what part is more complicated, I may be able to explain it for you